What a disaster the Tories are.

[johnxjsc1985]

DavidJG said:

Getting a bit personal, aren't you, c0ckwomble? Someone who doesn't hold racist, xenophobic views is nasty? Maybe you should go back to your KKK / BNP / EDL fantasy world and suck Nigel Farage's c0ck while you're there?

and calling an entire nation xenophobic is ok. Don't let the door hit you on the way out

[ThunderGuts]

alfie2244 said:

ThunderGuts said:

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

You should be ok in the EU countries but don't the others you mention have certain criteria (bit like ours will be hopefully) for allowing immigrants?

Yup, see my post above.

Missed that sorry......did your friends try any of the other countries mentioned or did they just give up now Armageddon hasn't materialised as predicted?

They have some family who have relocated, so they were a 'shoe in'.... They quit after that. Such was their steely resolve to flee this wretched place

As with quite a few remainers, lots of talk, little action.

I believe the others don't have an open door policy.

[alfie2244]

DavidJG said:

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

You should be ok in the EU countries but don't the others you mention have certain criteria (bit like ours will be hopefully) for allowing immigrants?

Oh, we have no difficulty hitting the criteria for any of them. No difficulty at all

have a nice trip..........pop back and let us know where you end up

[dazwalsh]

JawKnee said:

We're still heading in the direction of the flash crash lows and then some. Bloomberg now wondering if we could reach parity next year with the dollar! This is entirely Brexit related.

The FTSE 100 is climbing but only in response to our currency tanking as opposed to any fundamental improvement in the health of our economy. If you index the FTSE 100 against the dollar it is still down around 6% this year.

Project Fact.

Mostly agree however the pound has shown how sensitive it is to uncertainty so whislt its tanking at the moment thats only because details surrounding brexit are sketchy, and "squeeky bum" press releases from foriegn institutions threatening to pull uk operations arent helping either.

caused by brexit, yes but only indirectly. its this no mans land we find ourselves in thats doing the most damage to the £

[768]

MarshPhantom said:

(The Tories) fault we are leaving Europe.

I'm baffled, after a referendum, that anyone can blame a single political party.

Apart from those nutters who still blame Thatcher for everything of course.

[Hosenbugler]

DavidJG said:

Hosenbugler said:

DavidJG said:

And when we do, and the economy gets really bad, and c.1M people join the ranks of the unemployed, the leavers will blame the EU / America / Russia / immigrants etc - never once admitting that leaving the EU was in reality a huge step in the wrong direction.

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

It certainly will be a little less nasty once you have gone. Hopefully soon, as you will no doubt agree.

Getting a bit personal, aren't you, c0ckwomble? Someone who doesn't hold racist, xenophobic views is nasty? Maybe you should go back to your KKK / BNP / EDL fantasy world and suck Nigel Farage's c0ck while you're there?

Good lord, what a fascinating reply. Actually, somebody sacking people because they are overly precious and subject to self righteous hand wringing, stamping off in a huff, is pretty nasty , in fact very nasty, Bye

[DavidJG]

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

You should be ok in the EU countries but don't the others you mention have certain criteria (bit like ours will be hopefully) for allowing immigrants?

Oh, we have no difficulty hitting the criteria for any of them. No difficulty at all

have a nice trip..........pop back and let us know where you end up

Nope, when I leave I'll be breaking off ties with the UK. And laughing as it sinks into obscurity. Without trying to be offensive, the behaviour of a small but significant minority of people in this country is simply not compatible with my personal values. As this behaviour is certainly not being stopped or controlled, it's time to leave. A country where an MP is killed for supporting 'remain', people have been attacked (and in at least one case killed) for being Polish, is simply not somewhere that I wish to stay. When we add to that the anti-migrant position now taken by the UK government, it's time to get out. Discrimination or hatred of others, based simply on where they were born is not, and should never be acceptable. However, the government message is quite different, and I'm no longer willing to support this party or government whilst this is the case.

I hadn't realised how truly unpleasant some of the people on this forum are until recently; I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but my fellow Brits continue to be a source of unending disappointment.

[snuffy]

Hoofy said:

They were, however, happy to let us have a vote on it 30 years ago when we voted to join the EU.

a) The UK has never had a vote to join the EU.
b) It did have a vote to leave The Common Market
c) (a) and (b) occurred (if that's what you are referring to) in 1975, i.e. 41 years ago.

So about from you being 11 years out, getting the EU and Common Market mixed up, and getting the join/leave bit arse about face your statement is perfectly correct.

[JawKnee]

ThunderGuts said:

JawKnee said:

We're still heading in the direction of the flash crash lows and then some. Bloomberg now wondering if we could reach parity next year with the dollar! This is entirely Brexit related.

The FTSE 100 is climbing but only in response to our currency tanking as opposed to any fundamental improvement in the health of our economy. If you index the FTSE 100 against the dollar it is still down around 6% this year.

Project Fact.

Can you set out why this would mean the end to life as we know it.

Where did I say it would mean "the end to life as we know it"? Typical Brexiter logic, distorting other people's arguments.

alock said:

JawKnee said:

We're still heading in the direction of the flash crash lows and then some. Bloomberg now wondering if we could reach parity next year with the dollar! This is entirely Brexit related.

I can't wait. Working for a computer software company, our product is 100% manufactured in the UK and 70% of our sales are in the US, with the rest being in the UK.

And the talent you recruit, if it's anyhting like Software companies I've worked for most of the developers aren't British. There aren't enough skilled homegrown Software Engineers in this country. You're going to have to start paying them more to keep hold of them.

In other sectors also, with a weaker pound I wouldn't be surprised if we begin facing a brain drain, were our citizens increasingly start working abroad because of the extra income. Another reason businesses are legitimately concerned about a Hard Brexit.

[ThunderGuts]

Interesting the bit about sacking everyone, sounds like it's a throwaway business if you can do that!

[Esseesse]

Smollet said:

Plenty of pundits last year were saying the £ was overvalued. Perhaps this is its true level and Brexit just poked it that direction

I expect so too...



More to do with our widening trade deficit?

[768]

johnxjsc1985 said:

DavidJG said:

Getting a bit personal, aren't you, c0ckwomble? Someone who doesn't hold racist, xenophobic views is nasty? Maybe you should go back to your KKK / BNP / EDL fantasy world and suck Nigel Farage's c0ck while you're there?

and calling an entire nation xenophobic is ok. Don't let the door hit you on the way out

Indeed. The irony is too much.

[crankedup]

DavidJG said:

JawKnee said:

Mark Benson said:

MarshPhantom said:

Their fault we are leaving Europe.

The idiots have taken over.

Mmmmm, the sweet, sweet, salty taste of head banging Remainiac tears.
Remainiacs who still cling to every negative story that reaffirms their beliefs, even when it's the same scare-mongering conjecture they clung to pre-referendum.

The pound being trashed isn't scare mongering, it's happening. The projected size of our economy falling behind France isn't scare mongering, it's happening. An increase in hate crimes... you get the idea.

And we haven't even properly left yet.

And when we do, and the economy gets really bad, and c.1M people join the ranks of the unemployed, the leavers will blame the EU / America / Russia / immigrants etc - never once admitting that leaving the EU was in reality a huge step in the wrong direction.

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

Try Greece, a shining example, or Romania perhaps plenty of businesses are looking to relocate into the E.U. zone, or so some would have us believe.

[ThunderGuts]

JawKnee said:

ThunderGuts said:

JawKnee said:

We're still heading in the direction of the flash crash lows and then some. Bloomberg now wondering if we could reach parity next year with the dollar! This is entirely Brexit related.

The FTSE 100 is climbing but only in response to our currency tanking as opposed to any fundamental improvement in the health of our economy. If you index the FTSE 100 against the dollar it is still down around 6% this year.

Project Fact.

Can you set out why this would mean the end to life as we know it.

Where did I say it would mean "the end to life as we know it"? Typical Brexiter logic, distorting other people's arguments.

Why do you think it would be a bad thing... Easier to answer?

My assumption is that if you feel so strongly about it, you can explain why.

[jonnyb]

768 said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

DavidJG said:

Getting a bit personal, aren't you, c0ckwomble? Someone who doesn't hold racist, xenophobic views is nasty? Maybe you should go back to your KKK / BNP / EDL fantasy world and suck Nigel Farage's c0ck while you're there?

and calling an entire nation xenophobic is ok. Don't let the door hit you on the way out

Indeed. The irony is too much.

The entire nation didn't vote for Brexit, not even 50% of it voted for Brexit. In fact only about 38% voted for Brexit.

However, the Xenophobic, racist idiots have currently got the upper hand and are shouting loudest.

Its not the country I knew and loved.

[London424]

DavidJG said:

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

You should be ok in the EU countries but don't the others you mention have certain criteria (bit like ours will be hopefully) for allowing immigrants?

Oh, we have no difficulty hitting the criteria for any of them. No difficulty at all

have a nice trip..........pop back and let us know where you end up

Nope, when I leave I'll be breaking off ties with the UK. And laughing as it sinks into obscurity. Without trying to be offensive, the behaviour of a small but significant minority of people in this country is simply not compatible with my personal values. As this behaviour is certainly not being stopped or controlled, it's time to leave. A country where an MP is killed for supporting 'remain', people have been attacked (and in at least one case killed) for being Polish, is simply not somewhere that I wish to stay. When we add to that the anti-migrant position now taken by the UK government, it's time to get out. Discrimination or hatred of others, based simply on where they were born is not, and should never be acceptable. However, the government message is quite different, and I'm no longer willing to support this party or government whilst this is the case.

I hadn't realised how truly unpleasant some of the people on this forum are until recently; I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but my fellow Brits continue to be a source of unending disappointment.

I think you're going to struggle in all those countries you list if the criteria you set out above is part of the decision making process.

[alfie2244]

DavidJG said:

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

alfie2244 said:

DavidJG said:

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

You should be ok in the EU countries but don't the others you mention have certain criteria (bit like ours will be hopefully) for allowing immigrants?

Oh, we have no difficulty hitting the criteria for any of them. No difficulty at all

have a nice trip..........pop back and let us know where you end up

Nope, when I leave I'll be breaking off ties with the UK. And laughing as it sinks into obscurity. Without trying to be offensive, the behaviour of a small but significant minority of people in this country is simply not compatible with my personal values. As this behaviour is certainly not being stopped or controlled, it's time to leave. A country where an MP is killed for supporting 'remain', people have been attacked (and in at least one case killed) for being Polish, is simply not somewhere that I wish to stay. When we add to that the anti-migrant position now taken by the UK government, it's time to get out. Discrimination or hatred of others, based simply on where they were born is not, and should never be acceptable. However, the government message is quite different, and I'm no longer willing to support this party or government whilst this is the case.

I hadn't realised how truly unpleasant some of the people on this forum are until recently; I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but my fellow Brits continue to be a source of unending disappointment.

Unless things have changed I would avoid Oz then if I were you.....our entire family got turned down many years ago and my father never got over it.....all because my brother had psoriasis which, having been advised by doctors that sun would be the best treatment, was the reason given that we couldn't emigrate....go figure!

[TEKNOPUG]

DavidJG said:

And when we do, and the economy gets really bad, and c.1M people join the ranks of the unemployed, the leavers will blame the EU / America / Russia / immigrants etc - never once admitting that leaving the EU was in reality a huge step in the wrong direction.

Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......

So the UK is nasty and xenophobic because it wants to limit immigration, by means of skills based criteria? And you propose to move to Canada, Australia & NZ, which already have in place laws and policies in order to limit immigration via skills based criteria? But they aren't xenophobic? They love foreigners? They just have far stricter criteria for allowing foreigners into their country than the UK? Which is xenophobic?

Is that what you are saying?

[s3fella]

dbdb said:

I must admit I feel like this too, not that it makes a bit of difference to anything. The margin to leave the EU may have been a small one but it seems to have changed everything. Politics seems to have veered into the extremes and to be immeasurably coarsened. No doubt I will be laughed at by most of the posters here and they will sincerely enjoy my distress, but I genuinely do feel that my beloved country has been stolen and hijacked by cavemen. I now understand how my grandfather felt in the 1970s when he described the country as, "going to the dogs"; for him it was militant trades unionism, for me it is militant Brexiteers. To my shame I voted Conservative at the last election (and the previous one and the one before that etc. etc.) but I will not do so again.

Of course Labour has shown the worst possible timing for its own crash into the extremist undergrowth. Under Corbyn, Labour are not a viable alternative to anything and their only usefulness is as a cautionary tale. It is a warning the Conservative party should heed. UKIP is the Tory party's 'Momentum'. By embracing a Hard/Closed Brexit and damaging the economy, moderate Tories like me will desert them. The Conservative Right may think this does not matter or may even consider it a good thing to lose the Tory Left - but it does matter since long-term the casting votes are found in the Centre ground and I don't think Brexit will change this.

Theresa May by setting out a Hard Brexit stall for her negotiations has closed down many of her options - which is why the Hard Right is so jubilant and so enthusiastic about her as leader. I feel this is at best inept and her inflexibility and aggressiveness towards opponents is reminiscent of Gordon Brown. Like Brown, I feel Theresa May is at her high water mark right at the start of her premiership, before the harsh realities of her situation manifest themselves. If she were to fight a General Election now, before the realities of the new-normal show themselves, I feel she would win it with a much improved majority. This is the period of 'phoney-war'; it will not last. The next two years will be one of reckoning. If the wheels fall off, then May's Government will unravel quickly. She has many enemies and seems hell-bent on creating even more.

Of course, if her Hard Brexit works - or if it is just a negotiating position for a more sensible exit - then history will be kind to her.

So. You voted FOR the referendum. But you don't like the result.
Who is to blame then, exactly..? Apart from YOU I mean!
Why vote for the referendum, we were already in the EU and had you and millions of others votes Labia, there would have been referendum, and you would be merrily carrying on in shovelling the cash over the Manche to be wasted by Strasborg and Brussels?
Why on earth vote for a referendum unless you were unhappy with the status quo?

Bonkers

[JawKnee]

ThunderGuts said:

Why do you think it would be a bad thing... Easier to answer?

My assumption is that if you feel so strongly about it, you can explain why.

For a start, if the price of goods from the EU shoots up then we are likely to buy less from them. That weakens our hand when negotiating Brexit. So "they need us more than we need them" argument looks even more ridiculous.