What a disaster the Tories are.

What a disaster the Tories are.

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turbobloke

104,058 posts

261 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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It's clear Labour are the Nasty Party when the Unison leader and Theresa May are in agreement over it.

McPoison aka Damian McBride took Labour to new depths of nastiness from which they've never recovered.

The toxic truth about just one player in the Labour nasty game:

  • Mr McBride helped destroy Home Secretary Charles Clarke by fabricating a briefing war between him and a key adviser to Tony Blair
  • Another obstacle to Mr Brown, John Reid, quit the same Cabinet post after Mr McBride leaked details of his alleged ‘drinking, fighting and carousing’
  • Allegations about another minister, Ivan Lewis, pestering a female aide were leaked to punish him for criticising Mr Brown’s tax policies
  • McBride confesses to logging in to Mr Brown’s office email and leaking details of restricted or confidential documents to discredit opponents
  • McBride helped Gordon Brown to develop an elaborate ‘political intelligence operation’ with ‘moles’ on the teams of rival ministers
  • McBride was finally forced to resign when a series of emails he sent from No10 to fellow Labour spin doctor Derek Draper were leaked, revealing attempted smears (lies) about Conservatives' private lives as below
  • The 'red rag' exchange suggested that Mr Cameron should be challenged to produce his medical records, after admitting in an interview that he had visited a sexual diseases clinic when a student, despite there being no suggestion he had any treatment
  • Another McBride smear against Osborne suggested he once posed for a photograph wearing a bra, knickers and suspenders with his face blackened
  • The smears also alleged that Ms Dorries had been the subject of sexual allegations.
Then there's the Nasty Spin Machine in general which labelled pensioners as either racists or bigots when they didn't follow the Labour script and spin for Labour in areas such as the NHS. Brown himself was caught up in Bigotgate.

Finally we have the not-at-all-nasty and really-very-tolerant Labour rank and file which spits at opponents outside a hotel hosting the Conservative Party conference, daubs vile abuse on walls, monuments and cars owned by the parents of a Conservative election candidate.





Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

159 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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MarshPhantom said:


27 times the Tories have had a problem with racism?
From what I can see they didn't want him hanged for being black, they wanted him hanged for terrorism. That isn't racist.

Smollet

10,630 posts

191 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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CrutyRammers said:
sidicks said:
MarshPhantom said:
And it isn't Labour voters that have a problem with immigrants.
rofl
Have another rofl
One more for posterity rofl

whoami

13,151 posts

241 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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sidicks said:
MarshPhantom said:
And it isn't Labour voters that have a problem with immigrants.
rofl
rofl

JawKnee

1,140 posts

98 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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MarshPhantom said:
And it isn't Labour voters that have a problem with immigrants.
Indeed. As we've seen with UKIP recently, a lot of their support are now returning from where they came, the Tory party, and talk from some of their politicians wanting to do the same.

Others like Don4l remain firmly UKIP from his Tory roots.

Labour aren't the nasty party. Labour arent the ones who have a problem with immigrants. That accolade lays firmly in the blue and purple camps.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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JawKnee said:
Labour aren't the nasty party. Labour arent the ones who have a problem with immigrants. That accolade lays firmly in the blue and purple camps.
So are you saying that the reason huge numbers of people in what were Labour's nothern/midland heartlands voted 'out' in the referendum in June is:

1. Their reasoning was nothing to do with concerns about immigration?

2. They were all Tory voters?

3. They were UKIP voters, but not the type you just said were secret Tories?

irocfan

40,563 posts

191 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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andymadmak said:
I am merely exposing the flaw in March Phantom's thinking.
y'see there's your problem right there... putting MP and 'think' into the same sentence

Smiler.

11,752 posts

231 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Maybe MashPhatom or one of the other serial whingers could start a "Great Successes of the Labour Party" thread.


Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Smiler. said:
Maybe MashPhatom or one of the other serial whingers could start a "Great Successes of the Labour Party" thread.
He's more of a post-and-run kind of guy.

He's just started one on the "Battle" of Orgreave.

I expect he'll leave that thread alone now too. hehe

irocfan

40,563 posts

191 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Smiler. said:
Maybe MashPhatom or one of the other serial whingers could start a "Great Successes of the Labour Party" thread.
to be fair there have been quite a few - the standout being the NHS

Hosenbugler

1,854 posts

103 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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irocfan said:
Smiler. said:
Maybe MashPhatom or one of the other serial whingers could start a "Great Successes of the Labour Party" thread.
to be fair there have been quite a few - the standout being the NHS
Hardly a Labour construct, Beveridge was a Liberal. Attlee merely enacted it in a bid to buy votes. Typically labour.

768

13,710 posts

97 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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whoami said:
sidicks said:
MarshPhantom said:
And it isn't Labour voters that have a problem with immigrants.
rofl
rofl
hehe

don4l

10,058 posts

177 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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JawKnee said:
Others like Don4l remain firmly UKIP from his Tory roots.
I am on the fence at the moment.

I am very impressed with Theresa May so far. If she holds her course then I will return to the fold.

MarshPhantom

Original Poster:

9,658 posts

138 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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768 said:
whoami said:
sidicks said:
MarshPhantom said:
And it isn't Labour voters that have a problem with immigrants.
rofl
rofl
hehe
Well the Tories have won the last 2 elections by promising to stop immigration.

They've done fk all about it, but there you go.

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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MarshPhantom said:
Well the Tories have won the last 2 elections by promising to stop immigration.

They've done fk all about it, but there you go.
No, manage immigration, not stop it.
HTH

don4l

10,058 posts

177 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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MarshPhantom said:
Well the Tories have won the last 2 elections by promising to stop immigration.

They've done fk all about it, but there you go.
I thought that it was more to do with the fact that, yet again, Labour had bankrupted Britain.

They do appear to have a lot of bad luck. Did you know taht every single Labour administration since 1945 has increased unemployment. Very bad luck indeed.

ellroy

7,041 posts

226 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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Surely that can't be right? They're the party of the working man aren't they? Not the party of the dissolute and work shy? Or have I got that wrong?

Patrick Bateman

12,192 posts

175 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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sidicks said:
No, manage immigration, not stop it.
HTH
This confusion is extremely irritating, often made when regular people simply want more control over it yet get accused of being 'anti-immigration'.

don4l

10,058 posts

177 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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ellroy said:
Surely that can't be right? They're the party of the working man aren't they? Not the party of the dissolute and work shy? Or have I got that wrong?
Maybe the working man would prefer to be not working?


technodup

7,585 posts

131 months

Monday 31st October 2016
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JawKnee said:
Labour aren't the nasty party. Labour arent the ones who have a problem with immigrants.
Quite patently pish. I must have imagined all the interviews in 'Labour' towns of Labour voters who cited again and again the issue of immigration/jobs as their reason the voting out the EU.

The immigrants are largely doing the jobs these erstwhile Labour voters would or should otherwise be doing.