Calais transfer.

[otolith]

Presumably some state official is able to act in loco parentis in these situations?

[Esseesse]

otolith said:

Presumably some state official is able to act in loco parentis in these situations?

Or assume adult until proven otherwise.

[blindswelledrat]

irocfan said:

To BSR and like-minded people... what is your answer to this? Surely the best thing to do is to take the vulnerable people from the refugee camps in Lebanon etc? Would not this kill 2 birds with one stone in as much as you're taking genuine refugees and you're relieving pressure from countries that really need the help? Why do we take people from a camp peopled (if reports are correct) predominately by men of a certain age - and going by scenes we see all over the media (of varying flavours) not shy when it comes to criminality?

There IS no answer as such.
Taking people from Lebanon does not deal with the ones that are here/France/Europe it merely adds to it.
My opinion differs to people on here that I don't see any issue whatsoever with taking a couple of hundred children/young men from war torn countries.
I don't see a problem here at all that needs solving.
The tabloids and the angry people of the country blow this out of any kind of realistic proportion because someone saw a picture once of a man that was over the age of 16.
To put it another way, the 'answer' is for us to somehow start putting all these tabloid 'problems' in perspective. We have millions and millions of people at home being supported by the state and all our anger is directed at a couple of hundred foreign youngsters who have fled a war. I just cannot get my head around the way people think to get this wound up over such trivialities when our own country is so full of home-grown stters.

[Fozziebear]

blindswelledrat said:

irocfan said:

To BSR and like-minded people... what is your answer to this? Surely the best thing to do is to take the vulnerable people from the refugee camps in Lebanon etc? Would not this kill 2 birds with one stone in as much as you're taking genuine refugees and you're relieving pressure from countries that really need the help? Why do we take people from a camp peopled (if reports are correct) predominately by men of a certain age - and going by scenes we see all over the media (of varying flavours) not shy when it comes to criminality?

There IS no answer as such.
Taking people from Lebanon does not deal with the ones that are here/France/Europe it merely adds to it.
My opinion differs to people on here that I don't see any issue whatsoever with taking a couple of hundred children/young men from war torn countries.
I don't see a problem here at all that needs solving.
The tabloids and the angry people of the country blow this out of any kind of realistic proportion because someone saw a picture once of a man that was over the age of 16.
To put it another way, the 'answer' is for us to somehow start putting all these tabloid 'problems' in perspective. We have millions and millions of people at home being supported by the state and all our anger is directed at a couple of hundred foreign youngsters who have fled a war. I just cannot get my head around the way people think to get this wound up over such trivialities when our own country is so full of home-grown stters.

Children yes, youths no. It's true that we have to much to clean up here, some areas need a cull but it's not legal. My issue with these so called children is they pose a serious terrorist threat, an unknown threat, they are of the age and from the areas that breed terrorist brainwashing. Yes I sound paranoid, but think about how they have migrated towards us, the atracks across Europe whilst they traveled to us, why they didn't stop at an embassy and request asylum?

[blindswelledrat]

Fozziebear said:

. Yes I sound paranoid, but think about how they have migrated towards us, the atracks across Europe whilst they traveled to us, why they didn't stop at an embassy and request asylum?

If that's not just a rhetorical question and you want a real answer, it is because Britain is so revered as a country that anyone can succeed.
Once they have made the decision to migrate, they choose what they perceive to be the place that will offer them the most opportunity. It's pretty straightforward really. Reverse the roles- if you were from Syria, would you rather go to Turkey or Britain? Its a no-brainer.
To put simply, it's because Britain is better.
As for your terrorism fears, again I don't see a significant problem. Islamic terrorists are full of hatred for just about everyone. We are not hated over and above the French, Spanish, Germans, Turks etc. A psycho terrorist is equally satisfied by committing atrocities in Germany/Turkey or wherever so there is no real incentive for them to fight their way through multiple borders to get here.
Immigration has been massive over the past decade. How many foreign-born terrorists have committed atrocities here?
I *think* the answer is none. You should be infinitely more worried about wasps than terrorists.

[Fozziebear]

blindswelledrat said:

Fozziebear said:

. Yes I sound paranoid, but think about how they have migrated towards us, the atracks across Europe whilst they traveled to us, why they didn't stop at an embassy and request asylum?

If that's not just a rhetorical question and you want a real answer, it is because Britain is so revered as a country that anyone can succeed.
Once they have made the decision to migrate, they choose what they perceive to be the place that will offer them the most opportunity. It's pretty straightforward really. Reverse the roles- if you were from Syria, would you rather go to Turkey or Britain? Its a no-brainer.
To put simply, it's because Britain is better.
As for your terrorism fears, again I don't see a significant problem. Islamic terrorists are full of hatred for just about everyone. We are not hated over and above the French, Spanish, Germans, Turks etc. A psycho terrorist is equally satisfied by committing atrocities in Germany/Turkey or wherever so there is no real incentive for them to fight their way through multiple borders to get here.
Immigration has been massive over the past decade. How many foreign-born terrorists have committed atrocities here?
I *think* the answer is none. You should be infinitely more worried about wasps than terrorists.

I hate wasps.

[Tryke3]

blindswelledrat said:

irocfan said:

To BSR and like-minded people... what is your answer to this? Surely the best thing to do is to take the vulnerable people from the refugee camps in Lebanon etc? Would not this kill 2 birds with one stone in as much as you're taking genuine refugees and you're relieving pressure from countries that really need the help? Why do we take people from a camp peopled (if reports are correct) predominately by men of a certain age - and going by scenes we see all over the media (of varying flavours) not shy when it comes to criminality?

There IS no answer as such.
Taking people from Lebanon does not deal with the ones that are here/France/Europe it merely adds to it.
My opinion differs to people on here that I don't see any issue whatsoever with taking a couple of hundred children/young men from war torn countries.
I don't see a problem here at all that needs solving.
The tabloids and the angry people of the country blow this out of any kind of realistic proportion because someone saw a picture once of a man that was over the age of 16.
To put it another way, the 'answer' is for us to somehow start putting all these tabloid 'problems' in perspective. We have millions and millions of people at home being supported by the state and all our anger is directed at a couple of hundred foreign youngsters who have fled a war. I just cannot get my head around the way people think to get this wound up over such trivialities when our own country is so full of home-grown stters.

This is what i dont get, what country is this where 17 young adults get this treatment ? Country is gone right wing loony

[Fozziebear]

Ok, question for those saying we should take these children in with open arms, will you be putting your names down to house them? Will you be volunteering to help them at school? Or is this the job of others? Just curious as I've had this conversation with others and they are for them coming but turn white and said they didn't have the space/skills/money etc to do it

[irocfan]

blindswelledrat said:

irocfan said:

To BSR and like-minded people... what is your answer to this? Surely the best thing to do is to take the vulnerable people from the refugee camps in Lebanon etc? Would not this kill 2 birds with one stone in as much as you're taking genuine refugees and you're relieving pressure from countries that really need the help? Why do we take people from a camp peopled (if reports are correct) predominately by men of a certain age - and going by scenes we see all over the media (of varying flavours) not shy when it comes to criminality?

There IS no answer as such.
Taking people from Lebanon does not deal with the ones that are here/France/Europe it merely adds to it.
My opinion differs to people on here that I don't see any issue whatsoever with taking a couple of hundred children/young men from war torn countries.
I don't see a problem here at all that needs solving.
The tabloids and the angry people of the country blow this out of any kind of realistic proportion because someone saw a picture once of a man that was over the age of 16.
To put it another way, the 'answer' is for us to somehow start putting all these tabloid 'problems' in perspective. We have millions and millions of people at home being supported by the state and all our anger is directed at a couple of hundred foreign youngsters who have fled a war. I just cannot get my head around the way people think to get this wound up over such trivialities when our own country is so full of home-grown stters.

I don't make you wrong in a lot of what you say - however the issue is it's never just a few hundred. It'll then expand to a few thousand - and in the scheme of things in relation to the size of a country that's still a minuscule number. The issue though is what happens when we get a 'Merkel call', or it's seen as such? where do we house people? How do we afford the medical and psychological costs? At what point do you say "sorry old boy, you're not coming in our quota for the year is up"? How do you sort from the truly deserving from the (let's just say) "less deserving"? If you think that public opinion is poor now wait until some serious crime is committed by someone we can't get rid of and the press get hold of it - then everyone sits in the st the large proportion of innocents will be tarred with the same brush as the scuzzers

[Thorodin]

BSR, you seem to be deliberately missing the real point in all this. After all the scandals our government has presided over and been a major part of, lying through their teeth, covering up one disgrace or another or just plain incompetent, the stupid attempt at passing these adults off as children in such a contentious climate is much to close to haughty cynicism to be allowed to pass. Your high-horse virtue signalling is wasted. The resentment is not directed at the immigrants, it's the sheer contempt shown by the government.

[s3fella]

Rovinghawk said:

55palfers said:

BBC1 lunchtime news just said it was reported that this chap is an interpreter?

At 16 years old? Fair play to him.

(deserved more than it got!)

[don'tbesilly]

Thorodin said:

BSR, you seem to be deliberately missing the real point in all this. After all the scandals our government has presided over and been a major part of, lying through their teeth, covering up one disgrace or another or just plain incompetent, the stupid attempt at passing these adults off as children in such a contentious climate is much to close to haughty cynicism to be allowed to pass. Your high-horse virtue signalling is wasted. The resentment is not directed at the immigrants, it's the sheer contempt shown by the government.

A point I made earlier in a response to a post made by BSR castigating me for posting a picture of a 'child'.

It didn't surprise me that it was ignored.

[kowalski655]

Burwood said:

The logic in NOT testing for age is that it is illegal to perform a medical exam on a child without parental consent. We are so politically correct it's laughable.

Papers are saying its not being done as its "intrusive"!
Shame we dont extend the same courtesy to our own sick & disabled,isnt it ATOS/DWP

[Oakey]

hornetrider said:

9.3 said:

Bleeding hearts BBC now pixelating the "kids" faces ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37700074

Are you sure it's not just your crap internet connection? Pics show up fine for me unless they've altered the article.

They've gone back to pixelating their faces

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37706862

[don'tbesilly]

Oakey said:

hornetrider said:

9.3 said:

Bleeding hearts BBC now pixelating the "kids" faces ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37700074

Are you sure it's not just your crap internet connection? Pics show up fine for me unless they've altered the article.

They've gone back to pixelating their faces

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37706862

The same on the ITV news.

It's clear the Government know we are being hoodwinked, the call has obviously gone out to the media outlets to try and hide the evidence.

We are being taken for mugs!

[p1stonhead]

[Pacman1978]

When Syria and what used to be called Iraq have some sort of acceptable level of peace (!) Will these, and all the other displaced person's be repatriated to their relevant region of origins, and resume their lives and help rebuild their communities?

Would be interesting to know what displaced civilians did after the recent and numerous conflicts were resolved. Does any migrant/immigrant not get homesick?

[discusdave]

said Isaac Hunt

They didn't want to be called up to fight IS
remember this!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II

Thank God that Oliver Cromwell didn't have that attitude and was prepared to lay his life down for democracy.
well

He died from natural causes in 1658 and was buried in Westminster Abbey. The Royalists returned to power in 1660, and they had his corpse dug up, hung in chains, and beheaded.

..

Edited by discusdave on Wednesday 19th October 23:04

[blindswelledrat]

don'tbesilly said:

Thorodin said:

BSR, you seem to be deliberately missing the real point in all this. After all the scandals our government has presided over and been a major part of, lying through their teeth, covering up one disgrace or another or just plain incompetent, the stupid attempt at passing these adults off as children in such a contentious climate is much to close to haughty cynicism to be allowed to pass. Your high-horse virtue signalling is wasted. The resentment is not directed at the immigrants, it's the sheer contempt shown by the government.

A point I made earlier in a response to a post made by BSR castigating me for posting a picture of a 'child'.

It didn't surprise me that it was ignored.

I didn't ignore it for any other reason than I don't agree it is 'the real point'. Honestly, I don't give a toss. I also don't automatically believe that the picture the mail posted of the 50 year old man is one of the 'children'. Even if he is, which I strongly doubt, I still don't give a flying fk. It is one single person. It is so few people and so trivial in the grand scheme of the problem that I think the real point is how hysterical we are all getting over anything 'immigration'. In fact it genuinely terrifies me that the tabloids have brainwashed half our country so much that they can print almost anything they want about a foreigner, regardless of whether it has any basis in truth, and half our country is instantly furious at all foreigners.

[blindswelledrat]

irocfan said:

The issue though is what happens when we get a 'Merkel call', or it's seen as such? where do we house people? How do we afford the medical and psychological costs? At what point do you say "sorry old boy, you're not coming in our quota for the year is up"? How do you sort from the truly deserving from the (let's just say) "less deserving"? If you think that public opinion is poor now wait until some serious crime is committed by someone we can't get rid of and the press get hold of it - then everyone sits in the st the large proportion of innocents will be tarred with the same brush as the scuzzers

Your points are completely valid and exactly why this is such a difficult issue.
I agree that many changes should be made and the European human rights laws go much too far particularly where it comes to sending people back.
I have zero tolerance for any foreigners who commit crimes in our country.
But back to your question, like all these things there is no black and white answer. The reality is that is should be a commonsense rule and largely it is (I am just talking about refugees here and not the borderless Europe). The problem is, if you let 1000 people in it is 100% certain that there will be one or two bad eggs in there. THe tabloids find those bad eggs, hold them up and make the population believe that all 1000 people are bad eggs.
SO for me, we carry on as we are until there is any sign whatsoever that there is a 'problem'.