Calais transfer.
Discussion
Previous said:
I can agree with the argument that the UK has a level of responsibility where it has intervened in another country and played an active hand in causing the situation (e.g Syria), but the taking on of 40 year old children who are economic migrants has to be controlled.
I would agree if going to war had been in a party manifesto and the electorate had voted for it. I think the public have often shown to be solidly against going to war.s3fella said:
There was some 
from one of these do gooder charities on the TV yesterday who was asked about the stats detailing that so far, one in 5 of the so called unaccompanied minors allowed into UK has been proven to be an adult.
His response was amazing." The home office procedures are extremely robust....etc etc"
Robust? How the fk are these people allowed to run orgainsations and be in charge of cheque books when they think a system with a 20% failure rate is fking "robust".
They're living in a fking dream world. None of them have ever had a proper job, and hence they have no clue. They're just utter s.
On BBC R2 (IIRC Jeremy Vine) yesterday they were interviewing someone who said the ages we're going on are based on estimates made by some official (probably French). from one of these do gooder charities on the TV yesterday who was asked about the stats detailing that so far, one in 5 of the so called unaccompanied minors allowed into UK has been proven to be an adult. His response was amazing." The home office procedures are extremely robust....etc etc"
Robust? How the f
k are these people allowed to run orgainsations and be in charge of cheque books when they think a system with a 20% failure rate is fking "robust". They're living in a f
king dream world. None of them have ever had a proper job, and hence they have no clue. They're just utter s. rich85uk said:
Digga said:
If you read the history of the area, you realise how the conflicts and divisions we see today are basically the same as a century or so back, but with the added turmoil of successive Western intervention. And then you realise that, sadly, achieving what we might consider peace and civilisation in that region is going to be incredibly complicated and, probably, not something we can do too much to influence without repeating past mistakes.
It's a rather depressing thought but I believe we will never see genuine peace in the Middle East any time soon. Yes the west have to take some blame for the current situation in Yemen, Iraq,Syria etc but ultimately it is conflicts between Shia,Sunni, Alawite etc and the various tribal/insurency groups such as Houthi and Hezzbollah
Esseesse said:
Scotty2 said:
Yes because electric cars just need plugging in to recharge them from a "magic socket" that spews forth free electricity from thin air...Not a sodding great national grid powered by Oh wait a minute...
Shale gas? Coal? British designed and built nuclear power?Can't think of any other reason for him to post in here..
The age is really irrelevant as it is almost impossible to prove either way. It's a diversion. The purpose of calling them children is give those who are pro-invasion the moral highground and make those who oppose invasion look like uncaring monsters too hard hearted to take in even poor children.
The point is we are recognising the legitimacy of what amounts to a colony on French soil, right on our border, and providing an incentive for yet more to come.
The point is we are recognising the legitimacy of what amounts to a colony on French soil, right on our border, and providing an incentive for yet more to come.
SKP555 said:
The age is really irrelevant as it is almost impossible to prove either way. It's a diversion. The purpose of calling them children is give those who are pro-invasion the moral highground and make those who oppose invasion look like uncaring monsters too hard hearted to take in even poor children.
The point is we are recognising the legitimacy of what amounts to a colony on French soil, right on our border, and providing an incentive for yet more to come.
They're only taking a small number who already have family connections here though. It's part of the process of shutting down the camp ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/24/calais-... ) where those left either have to apply for asylum in France or will be deported back to their claimed country of origin. The point is we are recognising the legitimacy of what amounts to a colony on French soil, right on our border, and providing an incentive for yet more to come.
Mr Snrub said:
rich85uk said:
Digga said:
If you read the history of the area, you realise how the conflicts and divisions we see today are basically the same as a century or so back, but with the added turmoil of successive Western intervention. And then you realise that, sadly, achieving what we might consider peace and civilisation in that region is going to be incredibly complicated and, probably, not something we can do too much to influence without repeating past mistakes.
It's a rather depressing thought but I believe we will never see genuine peace in the Middle East any time soon. Yes the west have to take some blame for the current situation in Yemen, Iraq,Syria etc but ultimately it is conflicts between Shia,Sunni, Alawite etc and the various tribal/insurency groups such as Houthi and Hezzbollah
s3fella said:
There was some from one of these do gooder charities on the TV yesterday who was asked about the stats detailing that so far, one in 5 of the so called unaccompanied minors allowed into UK has been proven to be an adult.
His response was amazing." The home office procedures are extremely robust....etc etc"
Robust? How the fk are these people allowed to run orgainsations and be in charge of cheque books when they think a system with a 20% failure rate is fking "robust".
They're living in a fking dream world. None of them have ever had a proper job, and hence they have no clue. They're just utter s.
That charity was TACT - who praised 'Gary Lineker' on his outing the many racists in this country - idiot! from one of these do gooder charities on the TV yesterday who was asked about the stats detailing that so far, one in 5 of the so called unaccompanied minors allowed into UK has been proven to be an adult. His response was amazing." The home office procedures are extremely robust....etc etc"
Robust? How the f
k are these people allowed to run orgainsations and be in charge of cheque books when they think a system with a 20% failure rate is fking "robust". They're living in a f
king dream world. None of them have ever had a proper job, and hence they have no clue. They're just utter s. Charities should stick to what they know best (this lot know how to ensure people like me never ever drop a penny in their begging tins, remember that name: TACT).
However, one good thing has come out of it.
Lineker has had a spanking! (his words) ...GOOD!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/migrant-comme...
dandarez said:
s3fella said:
There was some from one of these do gooder charities on the TV yesterday who was asked about the stats detailing that so far, one in 5 of the so called unaccompanied minors allowed into UK has been proven to be an adult.
His response was amazing." The home office procedures are extremely robust....etc etc"
Robust? How the fk are these people allowed to run orgainsations and be in charge of cheque books when they think a system with a 20% failure rate is fking "robust".
They're living in a fking dream world. None of them have ever had a proper job, and hence they have no clue. They're just utter s.
That charity was TACT - who praised 'Gary Lineker' on his outing the many racists in this country - idiot! from one of these do gooder charities on the TV yesterday who was asked about the stats detailing that so far, one in 5 of the so called unaccompanied minors allowed into UK has been proven to be an adult. His response was amazing." The home office procedures are extremely robust....etc etc"
Robust? How the f
k are these people allowed to run orgainsations and be in charge of cheque books when they think a system with a 20% failure rate is fking "robust". They're living in a f
king dream world. None of them have ever had a proper job, and hence they have no clue. They're just utter s. Charities should stick to what they know best (this lot know how to ensure people like me never ever drop a penny in their begging tins, remember that name: TACT).
However, one good thing has come out of it.
Lineker has had a spanking! (his words) ...GOOD!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/migrant-comme...
what is so laughable about this is that
1. Lineker thinks that his un-informed views on Calais,migration and potential racists are of any importance.
2. Anyone else thinks that the un-informed views of a former footballer and now football pundit/celeb. are of any importance or show any knowledge of the subject.
Its like a scene from Alan Partridge!!!!
1. Lineker thinks that his un-informed views on Calais,migration and potential racists are of any importance.
2. Anyone else thinks that the un-informed views of a former footballer and now football pundit/celeb. are of any importance or show any knowledge of the subject.
Its like a scene from Alan Partridge!!!!
Maybe the children of indeterminable age are in reality known troublemakers who are being fast tracked into Blighty so they can be followed to their destinations. If there had been a percentage of real vulnerable children like the ones who were prominent on earlier news media film there might be a smidgeon more support.
rscott said:
They're only taking a small number who already have family connections here though. It's part of the process of shutting down the camp ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/24/calais-... ) where those left either have to apply for asylum in France or will be deported back to their claimed country of origin.
And when it reopens in a couple of months or moves 5 miles down the road, how many more foreign criminals do we need to take in to help France enforce its own laws?SKP555 said:
rscott said:
They're only taking a small number who already have family connections here though. It's part of the process of shutting down the camp ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/24/calais-... ) where those left either have to apply for asylum in France or will be deported back to their claimed country of origin.
And when it reopens in a couple of months or moves 5 miles down the road, how many more foreign criminals do we need to take in to help France enforce its own laws?rscott said:
Did you read the linked article? French government are saying they won't allow a replacement to develop there. Breaking up smaller sites is possible in the future, the big problem is taking on something the size of a small town...
The cynic in me wonders how and why the Jungle was allowed to establish as it did. I expect whatever political means it was perhaps intended to serve, it has brought far greater unintended consequences.rscott said:
Did you read the linked article? French government are saying they won't allow a replacement to develop there. Breaking up smaller sites is possible in the future, the big problem is taking on something the size of a small town...
Why do they need us to take in any people in order to demolish an illegal colony? It's still just providing a reward for being there, which is completely wrong morally and pragmatically. SKP555 said:
rscott said:
Did you read the linked article? French government are saying they won't allow a replacement to develop there. Breaking up smaller sites is possible in the future, the big problem is taking on something the size of a small town...
Why do they need us to take in any people in order to demolish an illegal colony? It's still just providing a reward for being there, which is completely wrong morally and pragmatically. As it can't be proved they're not children, they're pretty much guaranteed to be granted asylum in France and so would then be entitled to apply to join their family members in the UK.
The Dublin Regulation allows France to transfer these children (or at least alleged children) to the UK instead of having to process them there.
Seems like we're being asked to take in a pretty small number to help the French clear a much larger problem. Reports suggest we're likely to be taking around 200 children, not a number likely to have a massive impact on our country in any way, shape or form.
If the French police are now preventing new arrivals joining the Jungle, then this is a reasonable step toward clearing it.
The principle behind it seems perfectly reasonable to me but, in typical civil service fashion, it seems to be a rushed, chaotic job, with insufficient validation of identities & ages.
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