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How would the migrants get to Dover without a valid ferry/Chunnel ticket?
When you buy a plane ticket, you are obliged to enter valid passport details. Passport numbers also contain data identifying which country you are from, so surely it would be easy to reject ferry/Chunnel ticket purchases from people without valid visas?
When you buy a plane ticket, you are obliged to enter valid passport details. Passport numbers also contain data identifying which country you are from, so surely it would be easy to reject ferry/Chunnel ticket purchases from people without valid visas?
Edited by Biker 1 on Sunday 23 October 09:11
Biker 1 said:
How would the migrants get to Dover without a valid ferry/Chunnel ticket?
Ferry tickets are easy to buy, either in person or via a third party, it's passport control that's harder to get through. The question is how diligently French passport control would check the documents of those people trying to leave France when leaving means they become someone else's problem. As soon as they get to Dover and claim asylum they're our problem. RYH64E said:
Ferry tickets are easy to buy, either in person or via a third party, it's passport control that's harder to get through. The question is how diligently French passport control would check the documents of those people trying to leave France when leaving means they become someone else's problem. As soon as they get to Dover and claim asylum they're our problem.
Presumably it'll be the same as the procedure at airports. Refugees and asylum seekers couldn't be permitted to travel openly on the tunnel or ferries due to security concerns.hornetrider said:
Presumably it'll be the same as the procedure at airports. Refugees and asylum seekers couldn't be permitted to travel openly on the tunnel or ferries due to security concerns.
My experience of flying out of UK airports is that there are few if any passport checks on the way out, huge queues for more stringent checking on the way back. I flew to Germany from Stansted earlier this month and my passport wasn't checked at all on the way out, nothing, getting into Germany and back into the UK meant the full biometric checking, but there were no checks at all on departure. It's the same everywhere, few checks on departure, more rigorous checks on arrival.Once they get to Dover they'll claim asylum and become our problem, by the time their claim has been rejected they will have disappeared into the community.
RYH64E said:
Ferry tickets are easy to buy, either in person or via a third party, it's passport control that's harder to get through. The question is how diligently French passport control would check the documents of those people trying to leave France when leaving means they become someone else's problem. As soon as they get to Dover and claim asylum they're our problem.
Might be a bit harder to buy if Ferry companies start getting fined for every illegal they bring over, just as airlines are now.That would be the logical next step if the French tear up the Touquet agreement which is why, I imagine, they have yet to scrap it despite all the threats to do so over the years.
RYH64E said:
My experience of flying out of UK airports is that there are few if any passport checks on the way out, huge queues for more stringent checking on the way back. I flew to Germany from Stansted earlier this month and my passport wasn't checked at all on the way out, nothing, getting into Germany and back into the UK meant the full biometric checking, but there were no checks at all on departure.
Indeed. So if they're not allowed on planes to get here, they won't be allowed on boats or trains either.
king clueless.RYH64E said:
My experience of flying out of UK airports is that there are few if any passport checks on the way out, huge queues for more stringent checking on the way back. I flew to Germany from Stansted earlier this month and my passport wasn't checked at all on the way out, nothing, getting into Germany and back into the UK meant the full biometric checking, but there were no checks at all on departure. It's the same everywhere, few checks on departure, more rigorous checks on arrival.
Once they get to Dover they'll claim asylum and become our problem, by the time their claim has been rejected they will have disappeared into the community.
Passport is checked at check in and before security, then at gate. Once they get to Dover they'll claim asylum and become our problem, by the time their claim has been rejected they will have disappeared into the community.
Which airport did you fly out of, because if your passport wasn't checked at all, something is wrong?
davepoth said:
One or two little points here. If they're all aiming to claim asylum in the UK then we would need some sort of reception centre in Dover.
So not a Dover Jungle then? And then if they ever are "released" whilst their case is considered, many would they'd disappear into the mass population as illegals. So again, no Dover Jungle! s3fella said:
RYH64E said:
My experience of flying out of UK airports is that there are few if any passport checks on the way out, huge queues for more stringent checking on the way back. I flew to Germany from Stansted earlier this month and my passport wasn't checked at all on the way out, nothing, getting into Germany and back into the UK meant the full biometric checking, but there were no checks at all on departure. It's the same everywhere, few checks on departure, more rigorous checks on arrival.
Once they get to Dover they'll claim asylum and become our problem, by the time their claim has been rejected they will have disappeared into the community.
Passport is checked at check in and before security, then at gate. Once they get to Dover they'll claim asylum and become our problem, by the time their claim has been rejected they will have disappeared into the community.
Which airport did you fly out of, because if your passport wasn't checked at all, something is wrong?
Edited by RYH64E on Sunday 23 October 09:51
RYH64E said:
hornetrider said:
Presumably it'll be the same as the procedure at airports. Refugees and asylum seekers couldn't be permitted to travel openly on the tunnel or ferries due to security concerns.
My experience of flying out of UK airports is that there are few if any passport checks on the way out, huge queues for more stringent checking on the way back. I flew to Germany from Stansted earlier this month and my passport wasn't checked at all on the way out, nothing, getting into Germany and back into the UK meant the full biometric checking, but there were no checks at all on departure. It's the same everywhere, few checks on departure, more rigorous checks on arrival.Once they get to Dover they'll claim asylum and become our problem, by the time their claim has been rejected they will have disappeared into the community.
If you did pay (a given!), did you pay with a debit/credit card, or did you pay with cash at the airport on the day of departure?
Will the Airlines/ Ferry companies and Eurostar/Eurotunnel allow free access to 1000's of immigrants and only ask for payment when they turn up at Dover/Folkestone and UK airports when their paperwork (which on the whole doesn't exist) is checked.
The last time I travelled to France I had to pre-pay, admittedly my passport wasn't checked at Dover,but I wouldn't have got on the ferry without paying.
There's an election in France next year, the threats are just that, nothing other than posturing by French politicians jostling for votes, or threats from the existing administration to frighten the UK.
It won't happen, even if it does it wouldn't appear on the radar for two years, as Le Touquet is subject to such a notice period from negotiation and time of acceptance by the UK government.
don'tbesilly said:
Did you manage to get on the plane without paying for your ticket?
If you did pay (a given!), did you pay with a debit/credit card, or did you pay with cash at the airport on the day of departure?
Will the Airlines/ Ferry companies and Eurostar/Eurotunnel allow free access to 1000's of immigrants and only ask for payment when they turn up at Dover/Folkestone and UK airports when their paperwork (which on the whole doesn't exist) is checked.
The last time I travelled to France I had to pre-pay, admittedly my passport wasn't checked at Dover,but I wouldn't have got on the ferry without paying.
There's an election in France next year, the threats are just that, nothing other than posturing by French politicians jostling for votes, or threats from the existing administration to frighten the UK.
It won't happen, even if it does it wouldn't appear on the radar for two years, as Le Touquet is subject to such a notice period from negotiation and time of acceptance by the UK government.
Get real, if the passport isn't checked against the traveller then you could use any passport/bank card details to buy a ticket, I could have used my 75 year old mum's details.If you did pay (a given!), did you pay with a debit/credit card, or did you pay with cash at the airport on the day of departure?
Will the Airlines/ Ferry companies and Eurostar/Eurotunnel allow free access to 1000's of immigrants and only ask for payment when they turn up at Dover/Folkestone and UK airports when their paperwork (which on the whole doesn't exist) is checked.
The last time I travelled to France I had to pre-pay, admittedly my passport wasn't checked at Dover,but I wouldn't have got on the ferry without paying.
There's an election in France next year, the threats are just that, nothing other than posturing by French politicians jostling for votes, or threats from the existing administration to frighten the UK.
It won't happen, even if it does it wouldn't appear on the radar for two years, as Le Touquet is subject to such a notice period from negotiation and time of acceptance by the UK government.
The whole process of buying a ticket and checking in is done online now, getting that far is easy.
Edited by RYH64E on Sunday 23 October 10:00
RYH64E said:
don'tbesilly said:
Did you manage to get on the plane without paying for your ticket?
If you did pay (a given!), did you pay with a debit/credit card, or did you pay with cash at the airport on the day of departure?
Will the Airlines/ Ferry companies and Eurostar/Eurotunnel allow free access to 1000's of immigrants and only ask for payment when they turn up at Dover/Folkestone and UK airports when their paperwork (which on the whole doesn't exist) is checked.
The last time I travelled to France I had to pre-pay, admittedly my passport wasn't checked at Dover,but I wouldn't have got on the ferry without paying.
There's an election in France next year, the threats are just that, nothing other than posturing by French politicians jostling for votes, or threats from the existing administration to frighten the UK.
It won't happen, even if it does it wouldn't appear on the radar for two years, as Le Touquet is subject to such a notice period from negotiation and time of acceptance by the UK government.
Get real, if the passport isn't checked against the traveller then you could use any passport/bank card details to buy a ticket, I could have used my 75 year old mum's details.If you did pay (a given!), did you pay with a debit/credit card, or did you pay with cash at the airport on the day of departure?
Will the Airlines/ Ferry companies and Eurostar/Eurotunnel allow free access to 1000's of immigrants and only ask for payment when they turn up at Dover/Folkestone and UK airports when their paperwork (which on the whole doesn't exist) is checked.
The last time I travelled to France I had to pre-pay, admittedly my passport wasn't checked at Dover,but I wouldn't have got on the ferry without paying.
There's an election in France next year, the threats are just that, nothing other than posturing by French politicians jostling for votes, or threats from the existing administration to frighten the UK.
It won't happen, even if it does it wouldn't appear on the radar for two years, as Le Touquet is subject to such a notice period from negotiation and time of acceptance by the UK government.
The suggestion that all these immigrants have access to
1. the funds.
2. a 75 year old mum/any age relative to use their funds and facility.
3. Many companies insist on seeing the facility used when the booking was originally made.
I would have thought this would be a given if Le Touquet was ended.
4. Too many other reasons to make it not possible to mention.
5. It won't happen.
6. If you think it will, crack on with the delusion.
anonymous said:
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I can see that gaining even more ground if anyone is watching Rantzen this morning on the BBC.According to that witch any one questioning the ages of the immigrants coming into the UK is a racist, xenophobe!
Mind you it's the same witch who admitted knowing about Savile, and doing nothing about it, so I shouldn't be surprised. Protecting children, genuine children, didn't matter back then, it doesn't now.
don'tbesilly said:
You missed the point Fella, you won't get on any mode of transport without paying before the journey starts.
The suggestion that all these immigrants have access to
1. the funds.
2. a 75 year old mum/any age relative to use their funds and facility.
3. Many companies insist on seeing the facility used when the booking was originally made.
I would have thought this would be a given if Le Touquet was ended.
4. Too many other reasons to make it not possible to mention.
5. It won't happen.
6. If you think it will, crack on with the delusion.
If they've managed to find the money to pay people smugglers to get them into Europe and manage to find enough money to feed and clothe themselves, I'm sure they can come up with enough money to buy a ferry ticket and someone to buy it for them. Of all the problems they face i don't think getting hold of a ferry ticket ranks particularly highly. The suggestion that all these immigrants have access to
1. the funds.
2. a 75 year old mum/any age relative to use their funds and facility.
3. Many companies insist on seeing the facility used when the booking was originally made.
I would have thought this would be a given if Le Touquet was ended.
4. Too many other reasons to make it not possible to mention.
5. It won't happen.
6. If you think it will, crack on with the delusion.
RYH64E said:
don'tbesilly said:
You missed the point Fella, you won't get on any mode of transport without paying before the journey starts.
The suggestion that all these immigrants have access to
1. the funds.
2. a 75 year old mum/any age relative to use their funds and facility.
3. Many companies insist on seeing the facility used when the booking was originally made.
I would have thought this would be a given if Le Touquet was ended.
4. Too many other reasons to make it not possible to mention.
5. It won't happen.
6. If you think it will, crack on with the delusion.
If they've managed to find the money to pay people smugglers to get them into Europe and manage to find enough money to feed and clothe themselves, I'm sure they can come up with enough money to buy a ferry ticket and someone to buy it for them. Of all the problems they face i don't think getting hold of a ferry ticket ranks particularly highly. The suggestion that all these immigrants have access to
1. the funds.
2. a 75 year old mum/any age relative to use their funds and facility.
3. Many companies insist on seeing the facility used when the booking was originally made.
I would have thought this would be a given if Le Touquet was ended.
4. Too many other reasons to make it not possible to mention.
5. It won't happen.
6. If you think it will, crack on with the delusion.
The UK will be flooded with immigrants because the French who agreed to Le Touquet because it suited them as much as it suited the UK, will end it,and the threats we have heard for months on will come to fruition, but not for at least two years.
I'm sure the Kent authorities are as sure as you are that Le Touquet is ending and are making suitable arrangements to find accommodation, so we've got nothing to worry about.
don'tbesilly said:
I can see that gaining even more ground if anyone is watching Rantzen this morning on the BBC.
According to that witch any one questioning the ages of the immigrants coming into the UK is a racist, xenophobe!
Mind you it's the same witch who admitted knowing about Savile, and doing nothing about it, so I shouldn't be surprised. Protecting children, genuine children, didn't matter back then, it doesn't now.
You can't reason with these people. I made the point on another forum that we should be vetting immigrants since we have no idea of their background and promptly got descended on by what can only be described as a SJW hate mob who immediately played the race card and resorted to personal insults. They're just as bigoted as those they claim to despise. According to that witch any one questioning the ages of the immigrants coming into the UK is a racist, xenophobe!
Mind you it's the same witch who admitted knowing about Savile, and doing nothing about it, so I shouldn't be surprised. Protecting children, genuine children, didn't matter back then, it doesn't now.
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