Calais transfer.

[Jazzy Jag]

deeen said:

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

A 17th century manor house, yeah what a squalid place to send migrant menchildren.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/reveale...

They must think they've hit the jackpot.

According to the Sunday Times today, "most" of them have already left.

Left or absconded?

[alfie2244]

Jazzy Jag said:

deeen said:

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

A 17th century manor house, yeah what a squalid place to send migrant menchildren.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/reveale...

They must think they've hit the jackpot.

According to the Sunday Times today, "most" of them have already left.

Left or absconded?

Shacked up with a nice social worker perhaps.

[Jazzy Jag]

alfie2244 said:

Jazzy Jag said:

deeen said:

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

A 17th century manor house, yeah what a squalid place to send migrant menchildren.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/reveale...

They must think they've hit the jackpot.

According to the Sunday Times today, "most" of them have already left.

Left or absconded?

Shacked up with a nice social worker perhaps.

Are there many 12 year old social workers?

[rscott]

deeen said:

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

A 17th century manor house, yeah what a squalid place to send migrant menchildren.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/reveale...

They must think they've hit the jackpot.

According to the Sunday Times today, "most" of them have already left.

Wasn't that always the plan? Reports I saw suggested it was going to be a temporary holding centre while they were reunited with family members already here.

[irocfan]

Jazzy Jag said:

alfie2244 said:

Jazzy Jag said:

deeen said:

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

A 17th century manor house, yeah what a squalid place to send migrant menchildren.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/reveale...

They must think they've hit the jackpot.

According to the Sunday Times today, "most" of them have already left.

Left or absconded?

Shacked up with a nice social worker perhaps.

Are there many 12 year old social workers?

dunno - not that that matters, how many of the 'children' were 12y/o

[deeen]

They were always free to leave, not in detention, so couldn't "abscond". Times said most of them have already headed back towards the North coast, although this may be guesswork on their part.

[Esseesse]

rscott said:

deeen said:

Esseesse said:

dandarez said:

A 17th century manor house, yeah what a squalid place to send migrant menchildren.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/reveale...

They must think they've hit the jackpot.

According to the Sunday Times today, "most" of them have already left.

Wasn't that always the plan? Reports I saw suggested it was going to be a temporary holding centre while they were reunited with family members already here.

I had heard that as with their age we have just taken their word on the family member thing, no checks are done.

[Cupramax]

rscott said:

Wasn't that always the plan? Reports I saw suggested it was going to be a temporary holding centre while they took the first opportunity that presented itself to do a runner and vanish.

EFA

[Guybrush]

Cupramax said:

rscott said:

Wasn't that always the plan? Reports I saw suggested it was going to be a temporary holding centre while they took the first opportunity that presented itself to do a runner and vanish.

EFA

Probably quite correct assessment of what has happened in the past and will continue happening.

[mdw]

They all want to be under 16 as that's the premium deal. Foster care , money school etc. Over 16 is in the community £50 a week and college. I have been told that there are adverts posted on the walls in Eritrea telling them what they will get once the smugglers have got them to the UK. Most of them come with the same story fitted to their nationality. So the 2 Eritreans we have fostered both told us they were going to Oxford or Cambridge and were going to become Doctors or dentists. Afghans its I'm a shepherd and my father was killed by the Taliban etc. Eritreans its we don't want to do national service.

Sadly for them they soon found out that top of the class in Eritrea = bottom in UK. As carers we end up being the ones to have to put them right about life over here and they are not very happy about it. I am certain 3 I know of in care are over 16 by 2-4 years and have voiced this to social services but it gets ignored. The most distasteful part is the unbridled greed. They are teenagers so it should be expected but its off the scale with some demanding latest I phone etc.

They get £150ish per month that covers pocket money,savings account, clothing , phone and toiletries its no wonder they lie to get into foster care. Plus all food and accommodation provided foc in the carers home. In the community its £50 a week to cover clothes, phone and food etc.

My experience is those in care get too much and those they put in the community too little to help them make a start. We should take them direct if they have a right from source and give them all 3-6 months with a carer to get them through the process and established.

[Digga]

There's not really enough consideration of the PTSD type disorders that many refugees must suffer. I'm sure it must exist and also that it plays a significant part in the cases where integration outcomes are less than successful. As others say, if we are offering help and asylum, we have a responsibility - to both the refugees themselves and to the rest of society - to do it correctly.

[Esseesse]

Digga said:

There's not really enough consideration of the PTSD type disorders that many refugees must suffer. I'm sure it must exist and also that it plays a significant part in the cases where integration outcomes are less than successful.

Maybe by the time you're a teenager the die is cast? If we shipped you over to the middle east, how long would it take you to accept their values and customs as normal?

[del mar]

Esseesse said:

Digga said:

There's not really enough consideration of the PTSD type disorders that many refugees must suffer. I'm sure it must exist and also that it plays a significant part in the cases where integration outcomes are less than successful.

Maybe by the time you're a teenager the die is cast? If we shipped you over to the middle east, how long would it take you to accept their values and customs as normal?

Never - there would be an army of people campaigning to protect my rights to keep my Cultural beliefs ....

[Digga]

Esseesse said:

Digga said:

There's not really enough consideration of the PTSD type disorders that many refugees must suffer. I'm sure it must exist and also that it plays a significant part in the cases where integration outcomes are less than successful.

Maybe by the time you're a teenager the die is cast? If we shipped you over to the middle east, how long would it take you to accept their values and customs as normal?

I don't buy that. I think a lot of individuals who are cogniscent of the vast opportunity that the UK represents to them will be willing to make the adaptation to Western life, but they may well require some help.

Twisting your argument a bit - walking a mile in their shoes - how long could you live in, say, Syria before experiences made returning to the UK difficult or post-traumatic?

[Scotty2]

BBC website reporting last of the "Children" being bussed out. From what I can see from the pic, they certainly don't need booster seats...

Children my ass...

[Wayne E Edge]

They really do insult the nation's intelligence.

[blindswelledrat]

I think the main problem the ludicrous beginning to this whole thing when whoever thought it was a good idea to use the word "children". Did someone really think that was a good idea?
Had they labelled them correctly as 'minors' or 'youths' none of this anger would exist.
People may not love the idea but a couple of hundred people is neither here nor there.
And now, and event which should largely have gone unnoticed and been irrelevant has been blown so far out of proportion that it is unbelievable.

And yet still people on PH are determined to be angry at the individuals themselves because some idiot somewhere called them 'children' when they do not fit our stereotype of children.

[London424]

blindswelledrat said:

I think the main problem the ludicrous beginning to this whole thing when whoever thought it was a good idea to use the word "children". Did someone really think that was a good idea?
Had they labelled them correctly as 'minors' or 'youths' none of this anger would exist.
People may not love the idea but a couple of hundred people is neither here nor there.
And now, and event which should largely have gone unnoticed and been irrelevant has been blown so far out of proportion that it is unbelievable.

And yet still people on PH are determined to be angry at the individuals themselves because some idiot somewhere called them 'children' when they do not fit our stereotype of children.

Agreed, especially when on the news the use of children was accompanied with pictures of toddlers with teddy bears. It's the piss taking that riles people up more than taking in genuine refugees.

[Scotty2]

They are not "Genuine Refugees" but Economic Migrants. Fact.

[blindswelledrat]

Scotty2 said:

They are not "Genuine Refugees" but Economic Migrants. Fact.

Putting 'Fact' after typing a vague thought supported by zero evidence is a stupid thing to do.