Russian, English Channel, EU posturing
Discussion
TheRainMaker said:
Wow is that old heap powered by coal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpIySM5QgvkEdited by skyrover on Friday 21st October 14:04
pim said:
Yes they are allowed near our coast.We are not at war with Russia.
Our nuclear submarines will be sailing near their coast if needed and be monitored by the Russians.
I was thinking this morning that these ships are the ones we can see. Is it probable they have a couple of subs shadowing the fleet also?. Wonder if the Russians are sending a couple of suns along for the littleOur nuclear submarines will be sailing near their coast if needed and be monitored by the Russians.
Joy ride aswell
Wayne E Edge said:
Why couldn't the ships go down the west side of UK, Atlantic side?
Probably superstitious after what happened when the Spanish tried that one.;-)
Suppose they'll have to puff past Gibraltar next. So much for hanging on to the place in order to 'own' access to the Med.
SilverSixer said:
Probably superstitious after what happened when the Spanish tried that one.
;-)
Suppose they'll have to puff past Gibraltar next. So much for hanging on to the place in order to 'own' access to the Med.
Strange way of putting it Silver - Gibraltar is owned to keep the access open to shipping (had Napoleon not closed ports to the Empire's trade his progeny would probably still be in charge of France). ;-)
Suppose they'll have to puff past Gibraltar next. So much for hanging on to the place in order to 'own' access to the Med.
king from the CO and the Mrs.John145 said:
Seeing footage and news articles like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37725327
Really makes you think! Russian warships in the English channel and then cuts to footage of the EU bureaucracy.
This is a perfect catalyst for the EU to decide that they need an army but to what end? Further escalation and expansionism seems the EU's only response.
When you compare Aleppo to Mosul, what are the differences? State is attacking a city within its own country that has been overtaken by rebels and being supported by an outside superpower with air support, weapons and specialists on the ground. The level of spin is astonishing! I can't believe that the deaths of civilians will be significantly different in proportions between the two battles being fought. The only difference is Russia won't be supplying ISIS with weapons to defend Mosul...
Anyone else thinking "that's been mapped!"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37725327
Really makes you think! Russian warships in the English channel and then cuts to footage of the EU bureaucracy.
This is a perfect catalyst for the EU to decide that they need an army but to what end? Further escalation and expansionism seems the EU's only response.
When you compare Aleppo to Mosul, what are the differences? State is attacking a city within its own country that has been overtaken by rebels and being supported by an outside superpower with air support, weapons and specialists on the ground. The level of spin is astonishing! I can't believe that the deaths of civilians will be significantly different in proportions between the two battles being fought. The only difference is Russia won't be supplying ISIS with weapons to defend Mosul...
eyebeebe said:
essayer said:
Foreign ships are allowed to sail in our waters, surely? Doesn't mean WW3 is about to start.
Armed foreign warships are allowed within a few miles of our coast? Seems a little risky to me. We sure as hell don't like Russian bombers entering our airspace. What is different about warships?The carrier Kuznetsov and Battlecrusier Peter The Great, and Northern Fleet support fleet vessels passed through the English Channel like this (but going the other way) only as recently as 2014......and it hardly made the news.
It's only because the media and political frenzy around the fact that they think they are heading to Syria that is causing the added hype....
eyebeebe said:
The British territorial waters map I just looked at suggests that the boundary in the straits of Dover is almost France. So the carrier must be in our or French waters at some point?
They are in the "International Shipping Lane". The BBC article says that they are in international waters.s3fella said:
John145 said:
Seeing footage and news articles like this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37725327
Really makes you think! Russian warships in the English channel and then cuts to footage of the EU bureaucracy.
This is a perfect catalyst for the EU to decide that they need an army but to what end? Further escalation and expansionism seems the EU's only response.
When you compare Aleppo to Mosul, what are the differences? State is attacking a city within its own country that has been overtaken by rebels and being supported by an outside superpower with air support, weapons and specialists on the ground. The level of spin is astonishing! I can't believe that the deaths of civilians will be significantly different in proportions between the two battles being fought. The only difference is Russia won't be supplying ISIS with weapons to defend Mosul...
Anyone else thinking "that's been mapped!"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37725327
Really makes you think! Russian warships in the English channel and then cuts to footage of the EU bureaucracy.
This is a perfect catalyst for the EU to decide that they need an army but to what end? Further escalation and expansionism seems the EU's only response.
When you compare Aleppo to Mosul, what are the differences? State is attacking a city within its own country that has been overtaken by rebels and being supported by an outside superpower with air support, weapons and specialists on the ground. The level of spin is astonishing! I can't believe that the deaths of civilians will be significantly different in proportions between the two battles being fought. The only difference is Russia won't be supplying ISIS with weapons to defend Mosul...
I wonder if its as fast as a 335d though.....
eyebeebe said:
matsoc said:
The carrier is surely passing in international waters, if I well remember territorial waters are just 12 nautical miles from the coast.
The British territorial waters map I just looked at suggests that the boundary in the straits of Dover is almost France. So the carrier must be in our or French waters at some point?Wayne E Edge said:
Why couldn't the ships go down the west side of UK, Atlantic side?
Isnt there a NATO exercise going on in the N Atlantic at the moment? A whole bunch of foreign ships sailed from Faslane about a week ago. Probably best not to sail through that with a REAL Russian fleet, 1 mistake on the radar & Whoops,Apocalypse 
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