Increase in the price of a kit kat.

[Shoegrip]

danllama said:

That is all just your biased opinion. The same st being pedalled by the BBC etc since they were shocked on that wonderful morning. Why don't people like you GET IT? There was a 72% turnout because people knew what they were voting for and what they bloody wanted. Get that in to your skull.

It's not as simple as that. Sadly, many can't see beyond the implicit fairness of a democratic system and get het up like this when they don't understand that the issue isn't the outcome but how we got there in the first place.

We don't know even now the terms Brexit will be executed on so how would the voters have known what they were going to get. Many voted leave on the basis of £350m/week going to the NHS, some in an attempt to reduce immigration.

[B'stard Child]

Shoegrip said:

We don't know even now the terms Brexit will be executed on so how would the voters have known what they were going to get. Many voted leave on the basis of £350m/week going to the NHS, some in an attempt to reduce immigration.

So 17.4 million people voted to leave - many (any idea of numbers?) were stupid and some were racist

Any other reasons why people voted to leave or are you sticking with those two?

[danllama]

All of my friends voted leave, bar maybe a few. NONE of them voted based on either campaign. Like me, they voted based on years of observation. It's that simple. The EU is not fit for purpose. It's a complete and utter scam.

[Shoegrip]

B'stard Child said:

So 17.4 million people voted to leave - many (any idea of numbers?) were stupid and some were racist

Any other reasons why people voted to leave or are you sticking with those two?

You can read of the reasons people voted elsewhere. I think it's unfair to label people stupid or racist when they had good reason to accept their understanding of the situation.

[Shoegrip]

danllama said:

All of my friends voted leave, bar maybe a few. NONE of them voted based on either campaign. Like me, they voted based on years of observation. It's that simple. The EU is not fit for purpose. It's a complete and utter scam.

This reminds me of the joke - how many Brits does it take to change a lightbulb - none, they just leave the house.

It certainly is no longer what it set out to be and history may prove that the referendum result could lead to changes in the EU which eventually lead to a more acceptable system but at what price.

[NRS]

Shoegrip said:

danllama said:

That is all just your biased opinion. The same st being pedalled by the BBC etc since they were shocked on that wonderful morning. Why don't people like you GET IT? There was a 72% turnout because people knew what they were voting for and what they bloody wanted. Get that in to your skull.

It's not as simple as that. Sadly, many can't see beyond the implicit fairness of a democratic system and get het up like this when they don't understand that the issue isn't the outcome but how we got there in the first place.

We don't know even now the terms Brexit will be executed on so how would the voters have known what they were going to get. Many voted leave on the basis of £350m/week going to the NHS, some in an attempt to reduce immigration.

Whatever your opinion is it goes both ways though - there will be people who voted to stay in the EU because they were worried about not being able to go on holiday to Spain for example. We have no idea how many people on either side voted for some "silly" reason.

The other thing is you say that the ones who voted for it are the ones that can least afford it - but surely that depends what happens in terms of Brexit? In a very simplified sense you could argue that:

• Restricted immigration means less competition for jobs, so companies cannot keep pushing salaries down/ giving temporary contracts etc.
• This means better wages for people, which means they can spend more money.
• As it's more expensive to spend money outside the UK then their money is spent inside the UK, helping businesses here.
• They can then employee more people and pay them better etc.
• There is also more money coming into UK economy as it is cheaper to buy things here/ people come here on holiday as it's cheap etc.

Obviously that is somewhat simplified and there will certainly be negative things, but in the long term it may well work out like that. So for those people that voted for it then it is a good thing, and will benefit them, even if there is short term pain. They already have been screwed over by the way things are now so why not take the risk for them?

[Terminator X]

Shoegrip said:

JawKnee said:

Yes, we have to stop eating bananas, pineapples, peppers, coffee and anything else we find difficult to grow in our climate and don't forget British wine is to die for! If this is the future for Brexit Britain I've got to be honest, it looks fking grim.

Edited by JawKnee on Friday 21st October 23:07

The sad thing is that many who voted to leave are those who can least afford the inflationary effects of a weak £, whether that be buying essentials or going on their 2 weeks to Magamuff.

The current devaluation has causes greater than Brexit and anyone who believes it is our biggest concern is naive or just in denial.

I know plenty of people who wanted Brexit at whatever price. Well, it looks like we are getting it but the crying shame of all of this is that a populations minority is able to drag the majority into a position where they will suffer financially for many years. We are where we are.

Edited by Shoegrip on Saturday 22 October 07:28

Edited by Shoegrip on Saturday 22 October 07:30

Shock news Pound goes up and down vs other currencies. Get over it FFS it's hardly a big problem. Buy something else if it really is a deal breaker.

TX.

[Terminator X]

Alpinestars said:

Ahbefive said:

I'm not sure you understand how democratic voting works. The majority voted FOR Brexit.

The majority OF THOSE WHO VOTED, voted for Brexit. That was not a majority of the people.

Perhaps they should have got out and voted then?

TX.

[Terminator X]

Shoegrip said:

danllama said:

That is all just your biased opinion. The same st being pedalled by the BBC etc since they were shocked on that wonderful morning. Why don't people like you GET IT? There was a 72% turnout because people knew what they were voting for and what they bloody wanted. Get that in to your skull.

It's not as simple as that. Sadly, many can't see beyond the implicit fairness of a democratic system and get het up like this when they don't understand that the issue isn't the outcome but how we got there in the first place.

We don't know even now the terms Brexit will be executed on so how would the voters have known what they were going to get. Many voted leave on the basis of £350m/week going to the NHS, some in an attempt to reduce immigration.

How do you know this? Have you asked all 17.4m of them?

TX.

[JawKnee]

Terminator X said:

Shoegrip said:

JawKnee said:

Yes, we have to stop eating bananas, pineapples, peppers, coffee and anything else we find difficult to grow in our climate and don't forget British wine is to die for! If this is the future for Brexit Britain I've got to be honest, it looks fking grim.

Edited by JawKnee on Friday 21st October 23:07

The sad thing is that many who voted to leave are those who can least afford the inflationary effects of a weak £, whether that be buying essentials or going on their 2 weeks to Magamuff.

The current devaluation has causes greater than Brexit and anyone who believes it is our biggest concern is naive or just in denial.

I know plenty of people who wanted Brexit at whatever price. Well, it looks like we are getting it but the crying shame of all of this is that a populations minority is able to drag the majority into a position where they will suffer financially for many years. We are where we are.

Edited by Shoegrip on Saturday 22 October 07:28

Edited by Shoegrip on Saturday 22 October 07:30

Shock news Pound goes up and down vs other currencies. Get over it FFS it's hardly a big problem. Buy something else if it really is a deal breaker.

TX.

You honestly think our currency being trashed is not a big problem?

That's the sort of knuckle headed argument you'd expect from Robert Mugabe over the Zimbabwean dollar.

[Shoegrip]

NRS said:

Whatever your opinion is it goes both ways though - there will be people who voted to stay in the EU because they were worried about not being able to go on holiday to Spain for example. We have no idea how many people on either side voted for some "silly" reason.

The other thing is you say that the ones who voted for it are the ones that can least afford it - but surely that depends what happens in terms of Brexit? In a very simplified sense you could argue that:

• Restricted immigration means less competition for jobs, so companies cannot keep pushing salaries down/ giving temporary contracts etc.
• This means better wages for people, which means they can spend more money.
• As it's more expensive to spend money outside the UK then their money is spent inside the UK, helping businesses here.
• They can then employee more people and pay them better etc.
• There is also more money coming into UK economy as it is cheaper to buy things here/ people come here on holiday as it's cheap etc.

Obviously that is somewhat simplified and there will certainly be negative things, but in the long term it may well work out like that. So for those people that voted for it then it is a good thing, and will benefit them, even if there is short term pain. They already have been screwed over by the way things are now so why not take the risk for them?

Agreed.

[Scootersp]

JawKnee said:

You honestly think our currency being trashed is not a big problem?

That's the sort of knuckle headed argument you'd expect from Robert Mugabe over the Zimbabwean dollar.

What happened in 2013 when we had a similar rate? I can't remember what the cause was then...can you?

[JawKnee]

Scootersp said:

What happened in 2013 when we had a similar rate? I can't remember what the cause was then...can you?

Eh? Pound vs Dollar is at its lowest for over 30 years and only expected to go lower.

Pound on trade weighted index at its lowest level ever!

[popeyewhite]

JawKnee said:

You honestly think our currency being trashed is not a big problem?

It'll settle. Anyway, I've got shares in some quite large non UK based companies. They're doing rather well, thanks to the weak pound.

[Ahbefive]

Alpinestars said:

768 said:

It's not incorrect.

The statement doesn't explicitly state whether it's a voting majority, a majority of those eligible to vote, a majority of the UK or a majority of the EU. There's a pretty obvious implicit suggestion when referring to a vote though.

It is.

The subject matter is the population. Not those that voted. Re read the original post and response.

Ahbefive said:

Shoegrip said:

the crying shame of all of this is that a populations minority is able to drag the majority into a position where they will suffer financially for many years.

I'm not sure you understand how democratic voting works. The majority voted FOR Brexit.

If you are going to be pedantic then no its not a crying shame that a minority of the population is able to drag the majority etc etc as the majority are idiots for not excercising their right to vote. All elections would be a crying shame too wouldn't they if that was the case.

We would never vote for anything if the majority of the population (the people that don't vote) is who we followed, so quite simply that is a ridiculous thing to say.

You don't vote then you don't have a voice.

[Alpinestars]

Ahbefive said:

Alpinestars said:

768 said:

It's not incorrect.

The statement doesn't explicitly state whether it's a voting majority, a majority of those eligible to vote, a majority of the UK or a majority of the EU. There's a pretty obvious implicit suggestion when referring to a vote though.

It is.

The subject matter is the population. Not those that voted. Re read the original post and response.

Ahbefive said:

Shoegrip said:

the crying shame of all of this is that a populations minority is able to drag the majority into a position where they will suffer financially for many years.

I'm not sure you understand how democratic voting works. The majority voted FOR Brexit.

If you are going to be pedantic then no its not a crying shame that a minority of the population is able to drag the majority etc etc as the majority are idiots for not excercising their right to vote. All elections would be a crying shame too wouldn't they if that was the case.

Not sure who that's aimed at, but I didn't say it was a crying shame. Just pointing out the logic fail.

[sidicks]

Ahbefive said:

If you are going to be pedantic then no its not a crying shame that a minority of the population is able to drag the majority etc etc as the majority are idiots for not excercising their right to vote. All elections would be a crying shame too wouldn't they if that was the case.

We would never vote for anything if the majority of the population (the people that don't vote) is who we followed, so quite simply that is a ridiculous thing to say.

You don't vote then you don't have a voice.

The basic assumption should be that those who don't vote, don't have a strong opinion on the topic under discussion and hence are happy to go along with the majority who do express an opinion...

[Ahbefive]

Not a logic fail. Just a pedant overload.

[Shoegrip]

Ahbefive said:

If you are going to be pedantic then no its not a crying shame that a minority of the population is able to drag the majority etc etc as the majority are idiots for not excercising their right to vote. All elections would be a crying shame too wouldn't they if that was the case.

We would never vote for anything if the majority of the population (the people that don't vote) is who we followed, so quite simply that is a ridiculous thing to say.

You don't vote then you don't have a voice.

The point I was trying to make was that if you have an equally weighted referendum as this one was, you only need a small number of voters who fail to understand the subject or are just plain wrong in their thinking to bring about a result which is bad for the people.

It's not do long ago that if a referendum would have been held over capital punishment would have voted in favour of it.

Go back a little further and the feeling was against homosexuality.

In any case, the votes have been cast and flawed or not, we are where we are.

[sidicks]

Shoegrip said:

The point I was trying to make was that if you have an equally weighted referendum as this one was, you only need a small number of voters who fail to understand the subject or are just plain wrong in their thinking to bring about a result which is bad for the people.

It's not do long ago that if a referendum would have been held over capital punishment would have voted in favour of it.

Go back a little further and the feeling was against homosexuality.

In any case, the votes have been cast and flawed or not, we are where we are

It it's 'equally weighted' you will have a broadly equal number of voters who fail to understand the subject and vote the other way too...