How many Syrian children are coming here?

[Skyrat]

There are some pathetic excuses for human beings posting on this thread. I'd ship the fking lot of you to Aleppo for a couple of weeks. You'd change your tune pretty bloody quickly. wkers.

[markcoznottz]

W124 said:

Ok. But what does that mean? How do we keep the furnaces going in the meantime if we turn off the flow of cheap labour?

Unknown. The financial 'benefits' of immigration are at best questionable, several government studies attest to that, if it is only to provide cheap labour for big business then something's got to give. Can't put up IR because all the over leveraged will be borked, can't reward savers who then put money into unproductive assets, can't put up tax any more in any real sense, seems like it's immigration or nothing. The only show in town.

[e21Mark]

These threads always go the same way. Cries of 'racist', questioning whether folk will offer a bed in their house? etc. The age of the children appears to be the latest thing stirring debate. (determined with a phone app which put my labrador at 29!)

Children don't deserve to be abandoned in war zones. Even if what some of you say about their parents is true, the children aren't to blame. Whatever their nationality, their colour etc the very least they deserve is some compassion and to be taken into safety. They don't deserve to be punished for a situation that isn't of their making.

[Oakey]

dog years or human years?

[e21Mark]

Oakey said:

dog years or human years?

I'm guessing human but the trick seems to be to go with whichever number is the greater.

[768]

Surely we could look after more of these people somewhere other than the UK, where our money goes further?

[poo at Paul's]

Skyrat said:

There are some pathetic excuses for human beings posting on this thread. I'd ship the fking lot of you to Aleppo for a couple of weeks. You'd change your tune pretty bloody quickly. wkers.

Some of us have fought in wars, it's certainly not pretty. I support rehoming people displaced from Syria and living in the UN camps across the border. It's debateable though whether UK is the best place for them, culturally, climate, etc.

But let's not kid ourselves that all these guys in the Jungle are genuine refugees, from Syria, if they were, and were fleeing genuine war zones, they'd be glad of what Greece, Turkey and Jordan had to offer them a long time and distance before they lived under plastic in the north of France!

Edited by poo at Paul's on Wednesday 26th October 20:10

[ClaphamGT3]

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964Cup said:

Heavens this is so depressing.

Let's deal with the truth that dare not speak its name. Why do you think Merkel allowed 1m migrants into Germany? Compassion? Not really. Germany's birth rate is around 1.4 children per woman of child-bearing age. It's been around that level for some time. What that means is that Germany, like Japan before it, is storing up a massive demographic time bomb. As the current population ages, the ratio of workers to retirees will keep decreasing, meaning that fewer and fewer tax payers have to support more and more pensioners. This isn't viable. Eventually, with that birth rate, you get outright population decline and eventually cease to function as a modern state - Japan, which strongly discourages migration, is heading that way quite quickly. Letting in migrants, whatever the short-term cost, is a very shrewd investment in a future workforce, especially since the migrants in question are from cultures with a higher reproductive rate - although their children will likely tend to the German mean, so it's not necessarily a long-term fix unless sustained. Incidentally, pretty well all European countries are in this position.

The UK's birth rate? 1.9. Better than Germany, but still below replacement rate by some way. We are also even more dependent on current tax payers to fund our welfare state, and have lower productivity (therefore lower tax take per head). We have a stark choice: breed more, with precisely the same impact on schools and social care in the short term as admitting migrants; let in lots of migrants who are young enough to have working lives ahead of them - and let them work; accept that our old age will be hard, poor and shorter than expected. Oh - alternatively we could cull the elderly, or deny them welfare and health care.

So - if you don't want net migration, start shagging now.

How very dare you come in here with your poncey talking sense ways - ps off back to your ivory tower and let S3fella have his good old racist Alf garnet rant in peace.

Oh and you left out the double whammy - when the EU nationals currently resident in the UK all head off elsewhere in the next two years, we'll be doubly buggered

[W124]

markcoznottz said:

W124 said:

Ok. But what does that mean? How do we keep the furnaces going in the meantime if we turn off the flow of cheap labour?

Unknown. The financial 'benefits' of immigration are at best questionable, several government studies attest to that, if it is only to provide cheap labour for big business then something's got to give. Can't put up IR because all the over leveraged will be borked, can't reward savers who then put money into unproductive assets, can't put up tax any more in any real sense, seems like it's immigration or nothing. The only show in town.

Quite. You know, it's almost as if immigration isn't the real problem. It's almost as if the way the economy of this country has been run over the past 20 years, rewarding the greedy and the stupid, that's got us here. Almost as if immigration is a rather well managed distraction. Imagine that!

[markcoznottz]

W124 said:

markcoznottz said:

W124 said:

Ok. But what does that mean? How do we keep the furnaces going in the meantime if we turn off the flow of cheap labour?

Unknown. The financial 'benefits' of immigration are at best questionable, several government studies attest to that, if it is only to provide cheap labour for big business then something's got to give. Can't put up IR because all the over leveraged will be borked, can't reward savers who then put money into unproductive assets, can't put up tax any more in any real sense, seems like it's immigration or nothing. The only show in town.

Quite. You know, it's almost as if immigration isn't the real problem. It's almost as if the way the economy of this country has been run over the past 20 years, rewarding the greedy and the stupid, that's got us here. Almost as if immigration is a rather well managed distraction. Imagine that!

I don't think it was that orchestrated tbh, big business lobbied for it hard, for obvious reasons, politicians were more worried at the time about their property portfolios. Stupid yes, I mean it isn't hard to remortgage is it, like you say rewards for stupid short term let's eat all the biscuits in the jar, fk the consequences, behaviour. Astonishing.

[markcoznottz]

768 said:

Surely we could look after more of these people somewhere other than the UK, where our money goes further?

Good point. U.K. Is the last place, if these people are from a warm country they will hate it here, we don't have an outside culture, cost of living high, options limited,

[Blackpuddin]

Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.

[jeff m2]

W124 said:

Quite. You know, it's almost as if immigration isn't the real problem. It's almost as if the way the economy of this country has been run over the past 20 years, rewarding the greedy and the stupid, that's got us here. Almost as if immigration is a rather well managed distraction. Imagine that!

Gone a bit off topic but....
The economy is the way it is because at every int rate cut money which could have increased spending and spurred growth, got sucked into the house market.

Lower Int Rate = less interest, so the same monthly payment can produce a higher principal portion and the ability to pay more. Which everybody did, year after year after year.
With gay abandon with total disregard for any future rate rise, no doubt these will be the first to cry foul when the rates rise.

Immigration may share a little blame, as the influx has caused more competition for a relatively static number of houses.
There of course may also have been a greater demand for houses in areas that some may considered to be "less infiltrated" by immigrants.
Whether we like it or, there are a lot of people that do not want to bring up their children in some areas of the country, and as such are prepared to pay a premium.

So much of the pain is self inflicted (but allowed by the Gov, almost encouraged)

But don't worry those five year olds will not be buying houses for a while

[anonymous-user]

Blackpuddin said:

Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.

Well if they must sleep out over at Beam House its maybe because they want to.

[grumbledoak]

Blackpuddin said:

Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.

Are you going to buy the 200 beds yourself? Or do you think you have some Guardian-given right to spend everyone else's money? Or were you just signalling?


Personally I suspect that most of these people aren't Syrian. Or kids. And that if we house them there will be 200 more tomorrow. We should find another way.

[Randy Winkman]

Some people love excuses.

[Dindoit]

Blackpuddin said:

Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.

The people and papers pouring bile on these kids will be the same ones complaining that schools don't do a Nativity play these days. I used to think they were being traditional but perhaps they just get off on seeing someone in need being turned away?

[s3fella]

Blackpuddin said:

Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.

Where? Cant see this in the news?

Jungle? UK? Syria? Where was this reported?

Sounds like a monumental fk up. The authorities again prove they cannot organise a piss up in a brewery.

[del mar]

Blackpuddin said:

Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.

There are 70,000 British children in council social care looking for a family - that is a bloody disgrace

Hundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.

200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.

[Hugo a Gogo]

the white ones, right?

not racist, not at all