How many Syrian children are coming here?
Discussion
del mar said:
There are 70,000 British children in council social care looking for a family - that is a bloody disgrace
Hundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
Jimmy Seville wasn't Muslim, nor were all the other folks he "partied" with...Hundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
You can't blame paedophilia on a religion, you can only blame it on paedophiles.
del mar said:
Blackpuddin said:
Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.
There are 70,000 British children in council social care looking for a family - that is a bloody disgraceHundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
Hugo a Gogo said:
the white ones, right?
not racist, not at all
There are black children in care.....not racist, not at all
No it is about the British ones, we have so many children who currently live here and are in need I don't understand the huge surge of public sympathy for these children over our own. How many of the luvvies that have visited the jungle have visited a children's home and campaigned as hard for them ?
Maybe ours are invisible ?
Maybe there is not a social media hastag for it ?
Maybe ours aren't trendy ?
del mar said:
Blackpuddin said:
Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.
There are 70,000 British children in council social care looking for a family - that is a bloody disgraceHundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
Potatoes said:
Jimmy Seville wasn't Muslim, nor were all the other folks he "partied" with...
You can't blame paedophilia on a religion, you can only blame it on paedophiles.
Of course your right, I was not looking to blame a specific religion for paedophiles, but it is generally accepted that the failure to address the culture and religion of those abusers in Rotherham, allowed it to continue much longer than it ever should have. Yet the enquiry website doesn't even mention the "M" word once.You can't blame paedophilia on a religion, you can only blame it on paedophiles.
del mar said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
the white ones, right?
not racist, not at all
There are black children in care.....not racist, not at all
No it is about the British ones, we have so many children who currently live here and are in need I don't understand the huge surge of public sympathy for these children over our own. How many of the luvvies that have visited the jungle have visited a children's home and campaigned as hard for them ?
Maybe ours are invisible ?
Maybe there is not a social media hastag for it ?
Maybe ours aren't trendy ?
by the way - 70,000 'looking for a family' is somewhat misleading, they are classed as 'in care'
of those, nearly 4,000 are actually with their parents
52,000 are in foster care
almost 8,000 have been adopted
the rest are in some form of special accomodation, and of those I don't know who have special needs that mean that is the best place for them - presumably some of them are actually in young offenders places
and of course, 16,000 of them are over 16 - the age people are saying is 'not kids'
rscott said:
del mar said:
Blackpuddin said:
Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.
There are 70,000 British children in council social care looking for a family - that is a bloody disgraceHundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
criteria said:
The panel will select situations which (a) appear to it to be typical of a pattern of child sexual
abuse occurring in the sector or context involved; (b) appear to be practically capable of
detailed examination through oral and written evidence; [b](c) appear to involve no significant
risk to the fairness and effectiveness of any ongoing police investigation or prosecution;[/b]
abuse occurring in the sector or context involved; (b) appear to be practically capable of
detailed examination through oral and written evidence; [b](c) appear to involve no significant
risk to the fairness and effectiveness of any ongoing police investigation or prosecution;[/b]
Hugo a Gogo said:
you made a point about mentioning the white kids who've been abused
by the way - 70,000 'looking for a family' is somewhat misleading, they are classed as 'in care'
of those, nearly 4,000 are actually with their parents
52,000 are in foster care
almost 8,000 have been adopted
the rest are in some form of special accomodation, and of those I don't know who have special needs that mean that is the best place for them - presumably some of them are actually in young offenders places
and of course, 16,000 of them are over 16 - the age people are saying is 'not kids'
That was the crux of the abuse though, it was very specific Muslim men preying on white girls.by the way - 70,000 'looking for a family' is somewhat misleading, they are classed as 'in care'
of those, nearly 4,000 are actually with their parents
52,000 are in foster care
almost 8,000 have been adopted
the rest are in some form of special accomodation, and of those I don't know who have special needs that mean that is the best place for them - presumably some of them are actually in young offenders places
and of course, 16,000 of them are over 16 - the age people are saying is 'not kids'
I correct my misleading figures, it is not 70,000 people looking for family it is only 63,690
51,850 of children looked after on 31st March 2016 were living with foster carers
7,600 were living in secure units, children's homes or hostels
3,040 were with another placement in the community
1,200 were placed in residential schools or other residential settings
Foster care is not permanent.
The point is not whether it is 70,000 or 63,000 the fine detail of the numbers doesn't matter we have huge numbers of children that need our help and yet the plight of some children from a foreign country seems to be more important.
Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children
4,210 unaccompanied asylum seeking children were looked after on 31st March 2016
93% (3,900) were male and 7% (310) were female
75% (3,170) were aged 16 and over
This would suggest we already have 4200 asylum seeking children in the system - that do not appear to be going anywhere or showing signs of getting out of the system. I imagine a 6 year old who speaks english is far easier to "re-home" than a 14 year old Syrian.
I see no point in adding more into the system until we can get at least make progress with those we already have.
Potatoes said:
Jimmy Seville wasn't Muslim, nor were all the other folks he "partied" with...
You can't blame paedophilia on a religion, you can only blame it on paedophiles.
You're right but the failures to deal with Saville were due to his postion in the community / BBC etc. people were scared of him. You can't blame paedophilia on a religion, you can only blame it on paedophiles.
The failures of the Rotherham cases people was again due to fear, but fear of tackling a certain areas of the community, and that was a Muslim community. So race and religion was a clear factor in not picking up these paedos sooner in the Rotherham case
rscott said:
del mar said:
Blackpuddin said:
Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.
There are 70,000 British children in council social care looking for a family - that is a bloody disgraceHundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
The perpetrators should have been locked up 15 years ago.
This abuse has been allowed to continue because of the people who shout "racist" at every opportunity.
These girls will probably never be able to trust a man again.
don4l said:
rscott said:
del mar said:
Blackpuddin said:
Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.
There are 70,000 British children in council social care looking for a family - that is a bloody disgraceHundreds if not thousands of young white girls have been abused by Muslim men and the yet the Independent report in sexual abuse does not mention the word "Muslim" - that is a bloody disgrace.
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
The perpetrators should have been locked up 15 years ago.
This abuse has been allowed to continue because of the people who shout "racist" at every opportunity.
These girls will probably never be able to trust a man again.
del mar said:
200 foreign kids from a country involved in a civil war don't have a bed, wars are nasty things and people die, I know which group of people I would rather help.
Here's another 35 you won't have to worry about.Airstrikes in rebel-held Idlib province on Wednesday were possibly the deadliest attack on a school since the Syria war began, a top UN official has said, describing the incident as an “outrage” and a possible war crime.
The strikes by Syrian or Russian warplanes killed at least 35 people, most of them schoolchildren, rescue workers and a monitoring group have said.
grumbledoak said:
Blackpuddin said:
Tonight there are 200 Syrian kids without beds, that is a bloody disgrace in a so-called civilised country.
Are you going to buy the 200 beds yourself? Or do you think you have some Guardian-given right to spend everyone else's money? Or were you just signalling?Personally I suspect that most of these people aren't Syrian. Or kids. And that if we house them there will be 200 more tomorrow. We should find another way.
Hugo a Gogo said:
the white ones, right?
not racist, not at all
You know when you're outside, on the street, or in a shop, or any public place.....and someone disagrees with your personal opinion.....on....anything at all.....not racist, not at all
...what do you do, if you lose the argument on logic because you simply cannot find a way to call the other person(s) a racist, or accuse them of some form of phobia - to shut them up?
^^ Id like to believe that the above isn't really true and you are simply over enhanced with morals, but unfortunately it is exactly how you behave on these forums.
Perhaps... you should tell us about yourself, your history, your upbringing and help us to understand, why you act in this way??
Hol said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
the white ones, right?
not racist, not at all
You know when you're outside, on the street, or in a shop, or any public place.....and someone disagrees with your personal opinion.....on....anything at all.....not racist, not at all
...what do you do, if you lose the argument on logic because you simply cannot find a way to call the other person(s) a racist, or accuse them of some form of phobia - to shut them up?
^^ Id like to believe that the above isn't really true and you are simply over enhanced with morals, but unfortunately it is exactly how you behave on these forums.
Perhaps... you should tell us about yourself, your history, your upbringing and help us to understand, why you act in this way??
In a thread where people are specifically talking about "I'm not being racist" the next post I see is about 'white girls' vs 'muslims' (and don't bother with the 'muslims ain't a race' thing) - that's what I was pointing out
defining people by their perceived race or ethnic group - it's the textbook definition of racism
if you believe that these ethnic groups define one's characteristics, then fine, accept that race theory (even if it's clearly b
ks)but don't cry about it being called racism
racism doesn't just mean 'I hate blacks'
Hugo a Gogo said:
defining people by their perceived race or ethnic group - it's the textbook definition of racism
No, it isn't.noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
That's the definition of racism. Nothing about ethnic groups. The word you're looking for is ethnicism. Two rather different concepts, and it's important not to confuse them.
yes, let's play 'dictionary corner'
" Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice. "
Race as a concept is wholly discredited, so you can't be racist, cos there are no races! QED!
the UN (and others, such as the UK Race Relations Act) think it is important to 'confuse' them
" Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice. "
Race as a concept is wholly discredited, so you can't be racist, cos there are no races! QED!
the UN (and others, such as the UK Race Relations Act) think it is important to 'confuse' them
davepoth said:
No, it isn't.
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
That's the definition of racism. Nothing about ethnic groups. The word you're looking for is ethnicism. Two rather different concepts, and it's important not to confuse them.
"Ethnicism" isn't a word, the red squiggly line under it when you wrote it should have been the clue, neither is it a concept.noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
That's the definition of racism. Nothing about ethnic groups. The word you're looking for is ethnicism. Two rather different concepts, and it's important not to confuse them.
You seem to have enough to confuse yourself about without making stuff up, why not put a bag of frozen peas on your head and try to think things through a bit?
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