Richmond Park by-election.

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Ian Geary

4,462 posts

191 months

Sunday 30th October 2016
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Halb said:
The difference here is mind-set.

The Tories are doing it because it suits Tory interest. Fair enough.

Labour are however making the grand claim it's in the "national interest". Er no, it's in Labour's interest.

Different thing completely. Why not just be honest about it?



Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Sunday 30th October 2016
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Ian Geary said:
The difference here is mind-set.

The Tories are doing it because it suits Tory interest. Fair enough.

Labour are however making the grand claim it's in the "national interest". Er no, it's in Labour's interest.

Different thing completely. Why not just be honest about it?
No, it's the same. On the DP the Tory dipstick said they were not going to oppose a well loved MP like Goldsmith, due to his passion or some such bks, when Brillo pointed out that's laughable, they didn't wish to give the LDs a chance. The Tory just kept quiet.
No difference, they both lie and are hopeless about it.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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Tomorrow is the day!

Still calling a narrow Lib Dem win personally, Goldsmiths "I'm not a Tory, honest" malarkey won't cut it IMO.

B'stard Child

28,321 posts

245 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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FN2TypeR said:
Tomorrow is the day!

Still calling a narrow Lib Dem win personally, Goldsmiths "I'm not a Tory, honest" malarkey won't cut it IMO.
I'm going Goldsmith "Hold" just.....

The libs have tried to make it Brexit and Heathrow

Goldsmith has stuck with Heathrow

Can't see anything else in the race having a shot.

pilotpaul

95 posts

220 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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As a local with a vote I attended the final hustings last night.

My summary ....

Zac - late and bothered after an accident en-route to the venue but still performed well
LibDem Woman - lightweight, sounded like a circa 2000 Blair Babe speak your weight machine. When she was pressed for straight answers by the audience she turned rather unpleasant in tone and demeanour (IMO)
Labour Man - Irrelevant

Audience - I never knew Richmond had so many mentalists nuts

I've never seen so many LibDems in my life in Richmond over the past two weeks. Tim Farron appears to have moved in and Clegg is always here but today they unveiled their secret weapon ..... I despair ....

http://order-order.com/2016/11/30/bob-geldof-embar...

I'm not so sure that was a good move. I do hope that Zac prevails, he's been a very capable local MP.

PP

Edited by pilotpaul on Wednesday 30th November 19:25

dbdb

4,311 posts

172 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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In my own uninformed opinion, I predict Zac Goldsmith will retain the seat, but with a reduced majority. It is a little too early for the Liberal Democrats to harness a Brexit Backlash and his majority at the last election was a huge one. It is a very big hill for the Liberal Democrats to climb.



Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 30th November 19:38

James P

2,950 posts

236 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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My MP- Tom Brake - has been a regular promoting this sorry campaign for a naive LD candidate. I wondered why he'd gone quiet and now this comes up. I wonder how he'll try to put his usual gloss on this?

fido

16,752 posts

254 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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I didn't realise the LibDeb woman wanted to vote against Article 50 until I got the leaflet afterwards. Seems I wasn't rude enough to the LibDem canvasser - my parents were too polite to tell them they weren't voting for them. Unlike myself.

BlackLabel

Original Poster:

13,251 posts

122 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Tim Farron is going to be even more smug than he usually is if the Lib Dems win this.

darth_pies

693 posts

216 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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fido said:
I didn't realise the LibDeb woman wanted to vote against Article 50 until I got the leaflet afterwards. Seems I wasn't rude enough to the LibDem canvasser - my parents were too polite to tell them they weren't voting for them. Unlike myself.
Of course she does....70% of Richmond Park voted Remain.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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BlackLabel said:
Tim Farron is going to be even more smug than he usually is if the Lib Dems win this.
Is it just me who thinks he looks like he's permanently about to start crying?.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Walter Sobchak said:
BlackLabel said:
Tim Farron is going to be even more smug than he usually is if the Lib Dems win this.
Is it just me who thinks he looks like he's permanently about to start crying?.
Haven't you heard? The vote in June was 100% not a vote for a "hard Brexit" but tonights result, if the Lib Dems win, is 100% a vote to stop a hard Brexit!

So if Goldsmith wins that's a vote FOR a hard Brexit? scratchchin

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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BlackLabel said:
Tim Farron is going to be even more smug than he usually is if the Lib Dems win this.
I've not really picked up a smugness, but I know what you mean. A paper-thin act.

Since they've said this is a by-election on leaving the EU, if Zac wins I hope they concede that even heavily Europhile Richmond accepts the referendum result.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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dbdb said:
In my own uninformed opinion, I predict Zac Goldsmith will retain the seat, but with a reduced majority. It is a little too early for the Liberal Democrats to harness a Brexit Backlash and his majority at the last election was a huge one. It is a very big hill for the Liberal Democrats to climb.



Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 30th November 19:38
In my opinion the more time that passes the less the opportunity to harness a 'Brexit Backlash' (if there was ever one at all).

dbdb

4,311 posts

172 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Esseesse said:
dbdb said:
In my own uninformed opinion, I predict Zac Goldsmith will retain the seat, but with a reduced majority. It is a little too early for the Liberal Democrats to harness a Brexit Backlash and his majority at the last election was a huge one. It is a very big hill for the Liberal Democrats to climb.



Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 30th November 19:38
In my opinion the more time that passes the less the opportunity to harness a 'Brexit Backlash' (if there was ever one at all).
You could be right but I see it as the other way round. In my view any backlash is directly linked to the economy. So far, the economy has trundled on OK but if it deteriorates significantly after Article 50 is triggered and negotiations are underway then the political landscape could shift too.

So far there has been no backlash to Brexit - just the inevitable angst generated by a very narrow vote which would have been the same on a 52/48 margin whether the vote had favoured Leave or Remain. If once negotiations have started people fear and believe leaving will make them poorer, then that could change the balance of opinion in favour of staying. By the same token, if the negotiations go well and the balance of opinion is that the UK will be no worse off or even better off, then of course the country will still back leaving the EU - indeed the margin of voters choosing to leave may grow. Either way, it is too soon to know whether there will be a backlash against Brexit in my view.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Walter Sobchak said:
Is it just me who thinks he looks like he's permanently about to start crying?.
Because he is? biggrin

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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dbdb said:
Esseesse said:
dbdb said:
In my own uninformed opinion, I predict Zac Goldsmith will retain the seat, but with a reduced majority. It is a little too early for the Liberal Democrats to harness a Brexit Backlash and his majority at the last election was a huge one. It is a very big hill for the Liberal Democrats to climb.



Edited by dbdb on Wednesday 30th November 19:38
In my opinion the more time that passes the less the opportunity to harness a 'Brexit Backlash' (if there was ever one at all).
You could be right but I see it as the other way round. In my view any backlash is directly linked to the economy. So far, the economy has trundled on OK but if it deteriorates significantly after Article 50 is triggered and negotiations are underway then the political landscape could shift too.

So far there has been no backlash to Brexit - just the inevitable angst generated by a very narrow vote which would have been the same on a 52/48 margin whether the vote had favoured Leave or Remain. If once negotiations have started people fear and believe leaving will make them poorer, then that could change the balance of opinion in favour of staying. By the same token, if the negotiations go well and the balance of opinion is that the UK will be no worse off or even better off, then of course the country will still back leaving the EU - indeed the margin of voters choosing to leave may grow. Either way, it is too soon to know whether there will be a backlash against Brexit in my view.
True, and IMO economic problems are on their way (US and here).

Unlikely but maybe this is the reason for Mrs May's delaying. scratchchin

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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BlackLabel said:
The last few elections:

Crushing it.

This'll be interesting.
Independent Zac Goldsmith
Liberal Democrat Sarah Olney
No label David Powell
Independent Fiona Syms
Labour Christian Wolmar

dandarez

13,245 posts

282 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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Turnout much lower than GE.

Oh god, no, Lib-Dum Olney is going to have a chance now

...Farron is going to be all over the news.

Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

199 months

Friday 2nd December 2016
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Can't believe Miranda Green on BBCTW is trying to call a lib Dem win in Richmond Park means the lib dem's anti democratic position on the Brexit vote Is winning, fk off, playing in a constituency where they voted 70% remain, talk about a home field advantage...

If they do win, against Zac Goldsmith, who voted for Brexit yes, but without a Conservative party machine, and lib Dems deploying everybody they have.

I will laugh my arse off if the twit Goldsmith pulls it off.

I hate Tim Farron, only more than Nick Clegg, who in turn took over from Paddy Ashdown.