Richmond Park by-election.

[DMN]

Zac Own Goal-Smith. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving tt

[chris watton]

DMN said:

Zac Own Goal-Smith. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving tt

Have to agree, this man seems to be a walking disaster and the 'plebs' don't seem to like him at all.

[anonymous-user]

CaptainSlow said:

///ajd said:

Just a bit of fun.

If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?

As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.

"Vote for me if you think brexit is st" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.

Rubbish.

As this was a 70% Remain area it actually swung towards a Leave candidate. So a clear statement that the people of Richmond Park have moved towards a Leave view. A clear statement that the country wants a Hard Brexit.

What? That's a shockingly poor analysis of the by election result.

https://www.ft.com/content/6c437cc8-b838-11e6-ba85...

[MarshPhantom]

Absolutely superb news.

Tories.

[ClaphamGT3]

RYH64E said:

Ironically, the reason for the referendum being called in the first place was an attempt to placate the eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party and head off the threat of UKIP, however it looks to have created more divisions than it healed. There's now a significant percentage of long standing Conservative voters, myself included, whose vote can no longer be relied upon.

I tend to agree with this. It is this sentiment that could just see Corbyn in Downing St in 2020 (or before).

I have been a Tory all my adult life but Theresa May's Tory party has never felt less like my party. I - and a large number of people that I know, are erring much more towards the Lib Dems. I don't think that it is entirely unreasonable to envisage the situation where a shift of the of the middle class professional Tory vote to the Lib Dems and shift of the more working class Tory vote towards UKIP or labour could see Corbyn in Downing St, albeit probably as head of a Lib Dem/Labour coalition

[Murph7355]

CaptainSlow said:

Rubbish.

As this was a 70% Remain area it actually swung towards a Leave candidate. So a clear statement that the people of Richmond Park have moved towards a Leave view. A clear statement that the country wants a Hard Brexit.

A good point.

Only 49.6% of the vote despite being the only candidate categorically against Brexit..//ajd?

[Esseesse]

///ajd said:

FN2TypeR said:

///ajd said:

Hard Brexit

So the vote in June 100% was not a mandate for a "hard Brexit" but this result is a mandate against one?

Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo.

Just a bit of fun.

If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?

As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.

"Vote for me if you think brexit is st" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.

If the referendum was conducted with our current FPTP arrangements it would have been something like 2/3 or 3/4 for leave.

[gruffalo]

Will this seat exist after the boundary review due soon?

I believe it came into being as part of the last boundary review but I could be wrong?

[anonymous-user]

Murph7355 said:

CaptainSlow said:

Rubbish.

As this was a 70% Remain area it actually swung towards a Leave candidate. So a clear statement that the people of Richmond Park have moved towards a Leave view. A clear statement that the country wants a Hard Brexit.

A good point.

Only 49.6% of the vote despite being the only candidate categorically against Brexit..//ajd?

It's not a good point. Nobody is going to vote for the lib dems because they want Brexit or even hard Brexit.. seriously that's just clutching at straws. I voted Brexit and this is clearly an anti Brexit vote in an anti Brexit area.

Sarah Olney in her victory speech said:

A year and a half ago I was not involved in politics, I was not a member of a political party, I had never been involved in a political campaign, I had never thought about being a politician. But I knew I was a liberal. I believed in openness, tolerance, compassion, working with our neigbours around the world.

When I saw what happened at the general election last year I felt I had ot get involved.

I think a lot of people in this community had the same feeling after the referendum. Richmond Park is full of people like me who felt something was going wrong, that the politics of anger and division were on the rise, that the liberal tolerant values we took for granted were under threat. We perceived the Ukip vision of Britain in the ascendancy, intolerant, backward-looking, divisive, just as we see it in America and across Europe.

Well, today we have said no. We will defend the Britain we love. We will stand up for the open, tolerant, united Britain we believe in. The people of Richmond Park and North Kingston have sent a shockwave through this Conservative Brexit government and our message is clear: we do not want a hard Brexit, we do not want to be pulled out of the single market and we will not let intolerance, division and fear win.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 2nd December 09:03

[iphonedyou]

cirian75 said:

well campaigning as an independent but getting photographed with you fellow Tory MP's helping you campaign wont go down well.

I would say its factor of both him being viewed as a not a Tory but still a Tory and anti-brexit for voting LD

Been to Richmond? ZG didn't lose because of his connections to the Conservatives. The Conservatives didn't even field a candidate against him lest they split their vote.

Edited by iphonedyou on Friday 2nd December 09:04

[iphonedyou]

MarshPhantom said:

Absolutely superb news.

Tories.

Why don't you start a thread on it?

With any luck you'll be banned again.

[Blue62]

The Neapolitan elite has spoken, they don't want Heathrow and they don't want Brexit. Hardly a shock result but it will be interesting to see what happens in other Tory strongholds in those locations where the majority wanted to remain, could Lab/Con be replaced by Lib/UKIP?

[CaptainSlow]

El stovey said:

What? That's a shockingly poor analysis of the by election result.

https://www.ft.com/content/6c437cc8-b838-11e6-ba85...

No, that's a shockingly poor piece of journalism. How can they call it a rebuke in one of the strongest pro-Remain areas? What would anyone expect the result to be on a single issue campaign? What is more surprising is that JG got over 18k votes.

[iphonedyou]

Blue62 said:

The Neapolitan elite has spoken, they don't want Heathrow and they don't want Brexit. Hardly a shock result but it will be interesting to see what happens in other Tory strongholds in those locations where the majority wanted to remain, could Lab/Con be replaced by Lib/UKIP?

I'd posit the people of Naples give not a fig, in all honesty.

And please, don't use the word 'elite' without knowing what it means. It's becoming as devalued as 'racist'.

Edited by iphonedyou on Friday 2nd December 09:11

[Europa1]

iphonedyou said:

MarshPhantom said:

Absolutely superb news.

Tories.

Why don't you start a thread on it?

With any luck you'll be banned again.

Please don't ban him; I'll miss the incisive political analysis such as he displayed above.

[anonymous-user]

CaptainSlow said:

El stovey said:

What? That's a shockingly poor analysis of the by election result.

https://www.ft.com/content/6c437cc8-b838-11e6-ba85...

No, that's a shockingly poor piece of journalism. How can they call it a rebuke in one of the strongest pro-Remain areas? What would anyone expect the result to be on a single issue campaign? What is more surprising is that JG got over 18k votes.

Read her victory speech.

[CaptainSlow]

El stovey said:

It's not a good point. Nobody is going to vote for the lib dems because they want Brexit or even hard Brexit.. seriously that's just clutching at straws.

I don't think you understand what is being said, nobody is suggesting this.

[anonymous-user]

CaptainSlow said:

I don't think you understand what is being said, nobody is suggesting this.

You said she was a leave candidate and her election shows the country has moved towards wanting a hard Brexit.

It's the complete opposite. She even says so herself.

[CaptainSlow]

El stovey said:

Read her victory speech.

I don't need to, this was a single issue campaign and JG got a higher % of the vote that his viewpoint achieved in the Referendum.

[CaptainSlow]

El stovey said:

CaptainSlow said:

I don't think you understand what is being said, nobody is suggesting this.

You said she was a leave candidate and her election shows the country has moved towards wanting a hard Brexit.

It's the complete opposite. She even says so herself.

OK, I see the misunderstanding.

The Leave candidate I was referring to was JG...the swing from the Referendum to the By-Election...70% to just under 50%.