Richmond Park by-election.
Discussion
Pan Pan Pan said:
At least there have been no pictures, every time an unannounced image of her appears I lose a pint of milk, if I am not quick enough to get it into the fridge before it curdles 
But to be fair to Abbott and all those so vehemently afflicted by her, it's not just her looks that lack appeal, it's her personality that is the real problem.
Pan Pan Pan said:
It seems that Mrs May has already been excluded from several EU meetings, that if, (as some have pointed out we are still members) she should have been included in. The latest, is that Mrs May has been banned from attending the end of year EU meeting and dinner.
If this is true then as we are not 'Full members' of the club then maybe we shouldn't be paying full membership fees. Next time they send us an extra bill for some blackmarket activity they have decided to tax only us on we should tell them to stick it. Like Call me Dave promised to, but then promptly paid up when threatened.ATG said:
don4l said:
Why not?
Isn't that the reason that we have democracy?
That's a simplistic understanding of democracy. Democracy runs the risk of being a "tyranny of the majority". For example, one could argue that the ban on fox hunting is an example of a large majority imposing their will unfairly on a small minority, because the majority aren't affected one way or the other by fox hunting, whereas it means a great deal to those who would like to hunt. Clearly there are plenty of other arguments to be made about the pros and cons of fox hunting, but it nonetheless illustrates the idea of a tyranny of the majority.Isn't that the reason that we have democracy?
Where the country is split pretty evenly on an issue, and Brexit is a very good example of that, the government ought to look for an outcome that pisses off as few people as possible. They rule for the nation, not a specific group of voters.
Fox hunting is a very poor example.
The ban hasn't had any effect at all. Fox hunting, beagling and mink hounds are all totally unaffected by the ban. In fact, I shall be out with the beagles tomorrow.
Brexit, on the other hand, is quite different as we shall discover in 833 days.
Edited by don4l on Friday 2nd December 14:53
ATG said:
They rule for the nation, not a specific group of voters.
I voted Tory, based on their manifesto, & I expect them to carry out as many things as they promised in said manifesto. In reality, many things get watered down, or kicked into the long grass, but I don't expect them to somehow fuse into a middle-ground/national unity government any time soon. So I suggest that the Torys 'rule'/govern for the Tory voters, based on a majority mandate. Labour supporters, in short, will have to lump it, at least until the next election.don4l said:
How is Olney going to get through this?
Every time she makes a public appearance, she will be asked the same question.
There is only one way that the LibDems can avoid being labelled as hypocrites. They have to accept that "Brexit means Brexit".
One way would be to say "I am happy to have a second by-election. In fact, I pledge to resign my seat and trigger one within 30 minutes of this Government announcing a second referendum". Every time she makes a public appearance, she will be asked the same question.
There is only one way that the LibDems can avoid being labelled as hypocrites. They have to accept that "Brexit means Brexit".
saabster14 said:
HoHoHo said:
I know it's not about looks but feck me, she fell out of the ugly tree and had a feast in the way down 
She's got more gums than Bassets!
care to post a picture of yourself so that others may mock your appearance?She's got more gums than Bassets!
If Richmonds new MP was better looking and spoke as poorly and briefly as she did today she'd be dismissed as an airhead bimbo, as it is she's shown how little scrutiny she has faced in this election.
Either way I think it's inevitable to comment on politicians looks - whether it's Nigel Farages moustache or Sarah Olneys. It's not nice but in the wake of the Jo Cox murder it's better in my opinion than those who find threats of violence against politicians amusing.
saabster14 said:
oyster said:
More importantly forgetting 3 key things:
1. Goldsmith was held in very high regard in that constituency.
2. It wasn't a single issue election - so comparing percentage votes against a different single issue election is pointless.
3. There would likely have been a chunk of Tory Remain voters who would still rather vote for Goldsmith than countenance voting for the Lib Dems.
(1) Not IMO he wasn't. And quite evidently not as high as he thought. 1. Goldsmith was held in very high regard in that constituency.
2. It wasn't a single issue election - so comparing percentage votes against a different single issue election is pointless.
3. There would likely have been a chunk of Tory Remain voters who would still rather vote for Goldsmith than countenance voting for the Lib Dems.
(2) Try telling that to Farron and //ajd...
(3) Purely looking at the vote Olney took, there were likely more than a few Remaining voters who voted for him despite knowing his views on Brexit.
jonnyb said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
RYH64E said:
Ironically, the reason for the referendum being called in the first place was an attempt to placate the eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party and head off the threat of UKIP, however it looks to have created more divisions than it healed. There's now a significant percentage of long standing Conservative voters, myself included, whose vote can no longer be relied upon.
I tend to agree with this. It is this sentiment that could just see Corbyn in Downing St in 2020 (or before).I have been a Tory all my adult life but Theresa May's Tory party has never felt less like my party. I - and a large number of people that I know, are erring much more towards the Lib Dems. I don't think that it is entirely unreasonable to envisage the situation where a shift of the of the middle class professional Tory vote to the Lib Dems and shift of the more working class Tory vote towards UKIP or labour could see Corbyn in Downing St, albeit probably as head of a Lib Dem/Labour coalition
I have been a life long conservative voter, no longer.
Deptford Draylons said:
Just to put it in some context, the LibDems are polling 8% nationally. Ukip who have spent the summer having punch ups and merry-go-round leaders and lost any real reason for actually existing post referendum, are polling 13%
So how come UKIP have just one MP and the Lib Dems nine?MarshPhantom said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Just to put it in some context, the LibDems are polling 8% nationally. Ukip who have spent the summer having punch ups and merry-go-round leaders and lost any real reason for actually existing post referendum, are polling 13%
So how come UKIP have just one MP and the Lib Dems nine?
Mario149 said:
jonnyb said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
RYH64E said:
Ironically, the reason for the referendum being called in the first place was an attempt to placate the eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party and head off the threat of UKIP, however it looks to have created more divisions than it healed. There's now a significant percentage of long standing Conservative voters, myself included, whose vote can no longer be relied upon.
I tend to agree with this. It is this sentiment that could just see Corbyn in Downing St in 2020 (or before).I have been a Tory all my adult life but Theresa May's Tory party has never felt less like my party. I - and a large number of people that I know, are erring much more towards the Lib Dems. I don't think that it is entirely unreasonable to envisage the situation where a shift of the of the middle class professional Tory vote to the Lib Dems and shift of the more working class Tory vote towards UKIP or labour could see Corbyn in Downing St, albeit probably as head of a Lib Dem/Labour coalition
I have been a life long conservative voter, no longer.
off you CaptainSlow said:
It gets worse. JHB had tweeted what she would ask Olney at least an hour before she appeared. I thought the LibDem press office had delayed the interview to prep her....brenflys777 said:
saabster14 said:
HoHoHo said:
I know it's not about looks but feck me, she fell out of the ugly tree and had a feast in the way down
She's got more gums than Bassets!
care to post a picture of yourself so that others may mock your appearance?She's got more gums than Bassets!
If Richmonds new MP was better looking and spoke as poorly and briefly as she did today she'd be dismissed as an airhead bimbo, as it is she's shown how little scrutiny she has faced in this election.
Either way I think it's inevitable to comment on politicians looks - whether it's Nigel Farages moustache or Sarah Olneys. It's not nice but in the wake of the Jo Cox murder it's better in my opinion than those who find threats of violence against politicians amusing.
saabster14 said:
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