Richmond Park by-election.

[saabster14]

JawKnee said:

Northern Munkee said:

Esseesse said:

Sleaford next... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleaford_and_North...

Let's see if the Libtards hang on to their deposit and what that says about Brexit to Tim Farron...

It's Lincolnshire. The people are a bit thick around those parts. Stick a blue rosette on a baboon's arse and it would win.

You're right B'stard child.

Had a good chuckle at that

[Deptford Draylons]

MarshPhantom said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Just to put it in some context, the LibDems are polling 8% nationally. Ukip who have spent the summer having punch ups and merry-go-round leaders and lost any real reason for actually existing post referendum, are polling 13%

So how come UKIP have just one MP and the Lib Dems nine?

Because Ukip are st, yet still poll above the forth place yellow bird idiots. LibDem support is localised , even more so since their 2015 election kicking. Richmond was their seat for years and they got it back, big deal.

I thought the very pro EU and pro doing a stitch up party would have boomed since everyone supposedly hates Brexit, yet they are way below even the calamity party nationally.

[don4l]

tdog7 said:

Only that hilariously stty argument doesn't stack up does it.

Richmond park, as well as being pro-remain, is one of the most educated constituencies in the country. (I wonder if there's a relationship here). So as opposed to many leave voters (not all) who voted leave because 'its all those fking immigrants fault', the people of richmond probably made a more educated choice.

Do you feel that us thick immigrants do not deserve a vote?

You may well have a valid point, but I think that you are a bit stupid to try to express it in a public forum.

We live in a world where abhorrent views like your's are frowned upon.

Just because you are more intelligent than the 17.4 million people who disagreed with you doesn't mean that you can disregard their views.

[B'stard Child]

saabster14 said:

JawKnee said:

Northern Munkee said:

Esseesse said:

Sleaford next... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleaford_and_North...

Let's see if the Libtards hang on to their deposit and what that says about Brexit to Tim Farron...

It's Lincolnshire. The people are a bit thick around those parts. Stick a blue rosette on a baboon's arse and it would win.

You're right B'stard child.

Had a good chuckle at that

You see my dilemma - I don't want to offend anyone and I will admit I was worried by how quiet he'd been - it's so rare to see someone with real talent for political discussion these days

[don4l]

saabster14 said:

But what about Bowie, Cohen, Guy Clark et al dying

I have to say that it has been a terrible year in some respects. I have attended 5 funerals.

If you liked Cohen, then you will probably like this:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKwqj5QViQ

Filmed in a very small rural church about 6 miles from where I grew up.

[saabster14]

don4l said:

I have to say that it has been a terrible year in some respects. I have attended 5 funerals.

If you liked Cohen, then you will probably like this:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKwqj5QViQ

Filmed in a very small rural church about 6 miles from where I grew up.

[Derek Smith]

don4l said:

Do you feel that us thick immigrants do not deserve a vote?

You may well have a valid point, but I think that you are a bit stupid to try to express it in a public forum.

We live in a world where abhorrent views like your's are frowned upon.

Just because you are more intelligent than the 17.4 million people who disagreed with you doesn't mean that you can disregard their views.

This has been explained to you many times: you are not an immigrant to the UK. You are a returnee.

Further, don't forget the 29 million who did not vote to leave. You must not disregard their views.

[tdog7]

don4l said:

tdog7 said:

Only that hilariously stty argument doesn't stack up does it.

Richmond park, as well as being pro-remain, is one of the most educated constituencies in the country. (I wonder if there's a relationship here). So as opposed to many leave voters (not all) who voted leave because 'its all those fking immigrants fault', the people of richmond probably made a more educated choice.

Do you feel that us thick immigrants do not deserve a vote?

You may well have a valid point, but I think that you are a bit stupid to try to express it in a public forum.

We live in a world where abhorrent views like your's are frowned upon.

Just because you are more intelligent than the 17.4 million people who disagreed with you doesn't mean that you can disregard their views.

Sorry, you've lost me. At no point did i Suggest immigrants were thick, far from it, and if you re-read what I wrote I'm not sure where you get that idea? I do however think that anyone who blames all the problems in this country on immigration, and voted leave because of that, is probably over simplifying a number hugely complex issues.

I don't think this is an abhorrent view at all, but quite reasonable. I see people interviewed on the news saying 'why haven't we left yet', and 'just tell europe we're out and leave it at that'........if people think leaving the EU is that simple, they clearly don't understand what it is or how entwined our country is with it.

[tdog7]

don4l said:

Just because you are more intelligent than the 17.4 million people who disagreed with you doesn't mean that you can disregard their views.

I'm not suggesting I'm more intelligent than anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but opinions based on facts are far more valuable than those based fallacies. I accept there were many valid reasons to vote leave, not ones I agree with, but I can accept they're valid. "Its all the immigrants fault" is not one of those. If someone tells you a Dacia Sandero is the most powerful car in the world, they are entitled to their opinion. But they are still wrong, and you would be wise not to base your next car purchase on their advice!

[tdog7]

Derek Smith said:

This has been explained to you many times: you are not an immigrant to the UK. You are a returnee.

Further, don't forget the 29 million who did not vote to leave. You must not disregard their views.

This is one of the things that irritates me. You hear people claim there is a clear mandate for Brexit. It could hardly have been more unclear. A campaign based on misinformation and downright lies (by both sides), 48.1% vs. 51.9%, 28% of eligible voters not voting, and no one having any idea what sort of Brexit they were voting for/against.

[Phud]

tdog7 said:

This is one of the things that irritates me. You hear people claim there is a clear mandate for Brexit. It could hardly have been more unclear. A campaign based on misinformation and downright lies (by both sides), 48.1% vs. 51.9%, 28% of eligible voters not voting, and no one having any idea what sort of Brexit they were voting for/against.

If people do not vote you as remainers seem to view it as they were all on your side, what tosh.

The result was to leave, the majority of voters whom voted and showed their desire to influence in the method allowed and this is to leave.

Also nobody in remain said what remaining would be like, nope nothing about where the EU was going and what was clear is that the status quo was not possible, leave was a vote to leave, end of story. Out of the EU and out of eh single market.

[fido]

tdog7 said:

This is one of the things that irritates me. You hear people claim there is a clear mandate for Brexit. It could hardly have been more unclear. A campaign based on misinformation and downright lies (by both sides), 48.1% vs. 51.9%, 28% of eligible voters not voting, and no one having any idea what sort of Brexit they were voting for/against.

http://order-order.com/2016/10/12/brexit-means-leaving-single-market/

Both Osborne and Cameron said leaving the EU means leaving the Single Market. It was pretty clear in the debates.

Back to Richmond Park - pretty gutted at the results - but the area was always a Lib Dem stronghold, albeit the Kingston side. Grew up around there and nearly every other house had a Liberal poster in the window.

Edited by fido on Friday 2nd December 22:27

[s2art]

Derek Smith said:

Further, don't forget the 29 million who did not vote to leave. You must not disregard their views.

On a binary issue, out or remain, its not disregarding anything. The only action is to execute the majority decision. You seem to think that if the electorate vote in the Tories next time, the Tories should enact policies that Corbyn would accept. Doesnt work that way.

Edited to add; Assuming its a straight choice between a Tory or Labour government.

[B'stard Child]

tdog7 said:

Sorry, you've lost me. At no point did i Suggest immigrants were thick, far from it, and if you re-read what I wrote I'm not sure where you get that idea? I do however think that anyone who blames all the problems in this country on immigration, and voted leave because of that, is probably over simplifying a number hugely complex issues.

I don't think this is an abhorrent view at all, but quite reasonable. I see people interviewed on the news saying 'why haven't we left yet', and 'just tell europe we're out and leave it at that'........if people think leaving the EU is that simple, they clearly don't understand what it is or how entwined our country is with it.

Oh perfect - my reason to leave number 4 (It's OK Silversixer - Eurovision really is 273)

It wasn't a ever a marriage between the EU and the UK - it was initially a "friends with benefits" - it later became a "common law" arrangement - that over time evolved into a "civil partnership" (the next step was always "complete union" but both parties agreed not to discuss that openly)

The major problem with the relationship at every stage after it moved from the "freinds with benefits" as one party was very willing but the other dragged it's feet. At every stage too much of the extended family on one side got to stick an oar in the relationship.

Marriage counselling was attempted but the cost brought little benefit or resolution to the issues. For both parties the frustrations with what the other party in the relationship wanted out of it caused friction. One of the major problems was that after many years of the developing relationship their finances and legal living arrangements had become horribly intertwined. It really didn't help when one party started sleeping around.

The eventual divorce was never going to pleasant - they never are but the joint bank account needs to be closed - the kids need to be looked after and both parties need to recognise that the love has gone (if it was ever there) and move on in their lives

[PurpleTurtle]

B'stard Child said:

brenflys777 said:

The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.

JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!


http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...

Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 2nd December 11:47

Sheesh that really was car crash radio........

Maybe, but Julia Hartley-Brewer is a troll looking for a bridge to hide under. She knows full well that Olney is new to the game, it's an incredibly cheap shot to put her on the spot like that on her first day in the job so to speak, we've all been the new boy/girl in our time. Party should have protected her from tts like JHB and her stty station but I dare say the Lib Dems are desperate for the publicity that has come with this scalp.

[Northern Munkee]

JawKnee said:

Northern Munkee said:

Esseesse said:

Sleaford next... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleaford_and_North...

Let's see if the Libtards hang on to their deposit and what that says about Brexit to Tim Farron...

It's Lincolnshire. The people are a bit thick around those parts. Stick a blue rosette on a baboon's arse and it would win.

And there you go. Thick, go on... finish it, "stupid, bigots, racists" we know what you're signalling. As for a blue rosette, yes those same "thick" northerners, Welsh, Scots, etc have been tribally voting for anything from Michael Foot to Tony Blair (and boy that's basically anything) wearing a red rosette for decades. Bit slow maybe, but they've figured it out. And your Labour is fked.

[Rich_W]

One of the things Zac campaigned hard against was Heathrow Runway 3 of course. Something that matters a great deal to the locals there. And it was that decision which led to him resigning, standing as an indy etc etc.


Olney didn't mention LHR R3. So far as I can see she's never mentioned it. Locals in the area describe LibDems destroying rain forests by the trillion acres load. Flyers every other day. Constant badgering by them.

What's interesting is that her husband Ben works for the infrastructure company that will be building Runway 3 (if it ever goes ahead)



FFS!

[Justin Case]

So, Zac Goldsmith, who supported Brexit in a constituency where 70% supported remain, and stood as an independent without the formal backing of a party machine (although the Tories didn't stand against him), got within 2,000 votes of defeating a candidate who supported Remain and had the full support of a party machine. This suggests that there was a strong protest vote on the referendum issue, but not necessarily any great support for the Lib-Dems as such.

Conspiracy theorists may argue that the Tories did not field a candidate because they knew that they would be wiped out over the Heathrow issue rather than fear of splitting the non Lib-Dem vote. Let us not forget that there was a 100% anti Heathrow expansion vote, surely that should count for something if democracy means anything.

Edited by Justin Case on Friday 2nd December 23:45

[Northern Munkee]

Rich_W said:

One of the things Zac campaigned hard against was Heathrow Runway 3 of course. Something that matters a great deal to the locals there. And it was that decision which led to him resigning, standing as an indy etc etc.


Olney didn't mention LHR R3. So far as I can see she's never mentioned it. Locals in the area describe LibDems destroying rain forests by the trillion acres load. Flyers every other day. Constant badgering by them.

What's interesting is that her husband Ben works for the infrastructure company that will be building Runway 3 (if it ever goes ahead)

FFS!

Who just got mugged... Ferrovial Group must be laughing their asses off.

[B'stard Child]

PurpleTurtle said:

B'stard Child said:

brenflys777 said:

The new Richmond MP just had a car crash interview withJulia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.

JHB asked the obvious questions - when's the 2nd by-election? Why is a 4% by-election win a 'clear majority' but not in the referendum, etc.. Some attempt to answer, then she stopped talking and a LibDem press officer said she had to go to another interview!


http://talkradio.co.uk/news/new-richmond-park-mp-s...

Edited by brenflys777 on Friday 2nd December 11:47

Sheesh that really was car crash radio........

Maybe, but Julia Hartley-Brewer is a troll looking for a bridge to hide under. She knows full well that Olney is new to the game, it's an incredibly cheap shot to put her on the spot like that on her first day in the job so to speak, we've all been the new boy/girl in our time. Party should have protected her from tts like JHB and her stty station but I dare say the Lib Dems are desperate for the publicity that has come with this scalp.

It's a harsh world - you wanna run with the big dogs you need to learn very fast about the environment you are in

A clueless puppet of Tim still wet behind the ears was never going to initially have the experience and character required to cope with the deluge of st thrown at her.... On top of that she's a fking accountant - trouble with them is they are very good at numbers but not so good at knowing what activity drove the numbers they can see.....