Richmond Park by-election.
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
Jimboka said:
A good opportunity for LDs to give them a kicking over Brexit..
Do STFU you cretin. If the LD's win, and they might well as the seat used to be a stronghold of theirs, it will purely be down to locals whining about the runway. Which drowns out the noise of the planes they "suffer" from and almost, but not quite, your incessant blubbing on the referendum you tool.
I can't see Goldsmith winning as an independent. I'm not convinced he's personally that popular. But stranger things have happened.
The LDs will need to chuck money at it, and try and find a half decent candidate though.
I told you so.
FN2TypeR said:
///ajd said:
Hard Brexit
So the vote in June 100% was not a mandate for a "hard Brexit" but this result is a mandate against one?Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo.
If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?
As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.
"Vote for me if you think brexit is s
t" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.///ajd said:
FN2TypeR said:
///ajd said:
Hard Brexit
So the vote in June 100% was not a mandate for a "hard Brexit" but this result is a mandate against one?Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo.
If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?
As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.
"Vote for me if you think brexit is s
t" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.
It didn't do them any good in Witney despite a reasonable swing - plus I think Goldsmith will have turned a lot of people off with his mayoral campaign and his "I'm not a Tory, honest" which is patently b
ks.Low turn out too, standard for a by election - this is a sample of one, it's a good result for the Lib Dems in that they now have one more MP and it shows that the coffin lid wasn't quite nailed down after loser Clegg did his best to ruin them, but nothing more than that IMO.
I put a £25 bet on the Lib Dems at 2/1 t'other day too as I had a hunch they would win, so my weekend beers are paid for!
Edited by FN2TypeR on Friday 2nd December 07:34
Jimboka said:
It would be very childish of me to say I told you so.
I told you so.
You might want to read my post again. But as we're being childish... I told YOU so I told you so.
The LibDems will be justifiably happy about the result. But they would be foolish to read anything at all into it. Of course that won't stop Mr Farron and his cronies doing just that.
///ajd said:
Just a bit of fun.
If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?
As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.
"Vote for me if you think brexit is st" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.
Not even close IMO. An alternative view... If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?
As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.
"Vote for me if you think brexit is s
t" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.- there was only ever a 23k majority because the LibDems were considered the biggest shambles in electoral history in 2015.
- the usual majority in the constituency was around 4k.
- ignoring 2015, the Tories only held the seat for 1 of the last 4 elections. It's much more LibDem historically.
- they have thrown the kitchen sink at this and Whitney. They neither have the resources nor the support to do this on a national scale
- even if they did, a by election says little. I do not see any significant numbers going for the rest of their current policies.
- Goldsmith was very, very far from popular. Look at the mayoral election results.
- that in itself to me says more about 2010 and 2015 and the overall electability of the LibDems than it does about last night...
Finally, let's play along with your Brexit theory.
This is one of the most pre-Remain seats out there with a 70:30 split. And the LibDems won against a candidate who is far from popular by a majority of less than 2k, after having nearly every single senior member of their party camp out there for weeks (OK they had Geldof which probably cost them votes).
In that context I'm not sure the picture is that rosy for the LibDems or those who are still sulking about 23rd June.
There is much water to go under the bridge to 2020, but I do not see the LibDems doing anything material at the next GE. Will they win more seats? Possibly But then it would be hard for them to win less!
Farron should bask in the glory while it lasts. The worst thing about last night was that we will now have to listen to that wittering half wit bleat more than you!
Can't believe people are surprised by this, it was a fairly likely result.
Goldsmith is clearly a tosser who's only redeeming features are that he's not Jeremy Corbyn and he voted to leave the EU.
For his constituents they likely see his opposition to the runway as a redeeming feature too, but disagree with him on the EU. The runway was countered by the lib dem idiot taking the same stance, so the vote was on the EU in a heavily remain constituency.
Will be interesting to see whether the new MP is any good, as on the runway issue Goldsmith likely had far more influence with the Government so they may have lost their only hope of influencing the decision. Not sure why the Government would listen to one loony lib dem.
Goldsmith is clearly a tosser who's only redeeming features are that he's not Jeremy Corbyn and he voted to leave the EU.
For his constituents they likely see his opposition to the runway as a redeeming feature too, but disagree with him on the EU. The runway was countered by the lib dem idiot taking the same stance, so the vote was on the EU in a heavily remain constituency.
Will be interesting to see whether the new MP is any good, as on the runway issue Goldsmith likely had far more influence with the Government so they may have lost their only hope of influencing the decision. Not sure why the Government would listen to one loony lib dem.
Ironically, the reason for the referendum being called in the first place was an attempt to placate the eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party and head off the threat of UKIP, however it looks to have created more divisions than it healed. There's now a significant percentage of long standing Conservative voters, myself included, whose vote can no longer be relied upon.
///ajd said:
Just a bit of fun.
If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?
As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.
"Vote for me if you think brexit is st" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.
Rubbish.If the Lib Dems had a 30% across the country - how many MPs would they have?
As they were all anti heathrow and Goldsmith was actually very popular - this is a very clear Brexit statement.
"Vote for me if you think brexit is s
t" = 30% swing, destroying a popular brexiteer majority.As this was a 70% Remain area it actually swung towards a Leave candidate. So a clear statement that the people of Richmond Park have moved towards a Leave view. A clear statement that the country wants a Hard Brexit.
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