201 offences and prison doesn't work

[x type]

I know the answer do you ?


http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/man-commit...


mine involves a needle and sleep forever

[Centurion07]

Am I missing something here?

He got stopped on the way out of the store, having been recognised, but they didn't find anything on him and all the perfume was still in the shop having been taken out of the boxes and stashed?

How did he end up in court for that?

[x type]

The court heard he headed for the door but was recognised by store detectives and stopped — when the baby changing area was checked, staff found the perfumes hidden in a cupboard with their security tags and wrappers removed.

stashed away ready after staff saw him going into baby change area

Think they knew what he was up to

Don't you ?

[Centurion07]

Obviously.

Unpacking goods and putting them in a cupboard on the premises isn't an offence though, is it? So exactly how has he ended up in court?

[jas xjr]

could be that soebody else would arrive later and remove the hidden items.
never underestimate the ingenuity of thieves . a friend told me about some shoplifters that had targeted his business. two men walked into his shop within a few seconds of each other . one smartly dressed , with his briefcase . the other one looked like a druggie . yes, you are right , the smarter looking one was doing the actual shoplifting whilst the druggie looking one was distracting the staff.

[poo at Paul's]

I do, but why not wait until his accomplice turned up later and, you know, arrest the actual thief, not the guy that just moved stuff about!?

By the way, he's clearly a scumbag!

[Centurion07]

I still maintain unpacking goods and leaving them on the premises isn't illegal.

[bazza white]

Criminal damage maybe.

[grumbledoak]

Centurion07 said:

I still maintain unpacking goods and leaving them on the premises isn't illegal.

Isn't "going equipped" a crime in the same vein?

[jas xjr]

bazza white said:

Criminal damage maybe.

clearly has to be something along those lines . who is going to buy a bottle of perfume that has been opened ?

[alfie2244]

jas xjr said:

clearly has to be something along those lines . who is going to buy a bottle of perfume that has been opened ?

I'm sure he knew somebody that might.

Edited by alfie2244 on Tuesday 25th October 21:22

[Centurion07]

grumbledoak said:

Centurion07 said:

I still maintain unpacking goods and leaving them on the premises isn't illegal.

Isn't "going equipped" a crime in the same vein?

It is but has a specific law that can be broken to be found guilty of the offence. I can't see the same applying here.

The ultimate offence here would be one of shoplifting, I would have thought. I believe that, at the very least, requires goods to be removed from the premises, which didn't happen here.

[fishermanpaul]

Theft is "Intent to permanently deprive". You don't actually have to leave the shop with the goods to be done for shoplifting, it's just a bit easier to prove if you make it outside with unpaid stuff. Setting stuff up so you/an accomplice can nick it later shows intent.

[Centurion07]

I won't pretend to fully understand what's contained in this link but I THINK it says that concealment is appropriation which in turn is basically shoplifting.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60

[catso]

Surely prison works in as much as when he's in there he can't be committing any more crimes? Personally I'd rather see him stopped than rehabilitated.

Just need to put him away for longer - 20 years should be a good start...

[x type]

Centurion07 said:

grumbledoak said:

Centurion07 said:

I still maintain unpacking goods and leaving them on the premises isn't illegal.

Isn't "going equipped" a crime in the same vein?

It is but has a specific law that can be broken to be found guilty of the offence. I can't see the same applying here.

The ultimate offence here would be one of shoplifting, I would have thought. I believe that, at the very least, requires goods to be removed from the premises, which didn't happen here.

sounds like lawyer speak that bit

200 offences and he is still alive

best answer i think

[catso]

x type said:

200 offences and he is still alive

200 'known' offences, I doubt even the most stupid criminal gets caught even 50% of the time so easily 1000+ offences...

[jas xjr]

alfie2244 said:

jas xjr said:

clearly has to be something along those lines . who is going to buy a bottle of perfume that has been opened ?

I'm sure he knew somebody that might.

Edited by alfie2244 on Tuesday 25th October 21:22

good point , but i meant legally . a smackhead might sell them all for whatever he needs to get his next fix . although a crackhead might like to close negotiations more quickly

[Chlorothalonil]

Centurion07 said:

I won't pretend to fully understand what's contained in this link but I THINK it says that concealment is appropriation which in turn is basically shoplifting.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60

The five fingers of theft..

[chow pan toon]

catso said:

200 'known' offences, I doubt even the most stupid criminal gets caught even 50% of the time so easily 1000+ offences...

Judging by his photo I would say he would get caught a good 90% of the time. People like that stick out like a honeymooner's cock and will get followed around shops by staff.