201 offences and prison doesn't work

[jamoor]

x type said:

I know the answer do you ?


http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/man-commit...


mine involves a needle and sleep forever

Really? over some minor misdemeanours?

He's hardly a criminal mastermind.

[98elise]

catso said:

Surely prison works in as much as when he's in there he can't be committing any more crimes? Personally I'd rather see him stopped than rehabilitated.

Just need to put him away for longer - 20 years should be a good start...

This. He can't be trusted outside. Lock him up and he is no longer stealing peoples stuff. Prison works very well in that respect.

[amancalledrob]

It was a link to another article on that page that really caught my eye - 'driver three times over cocaine limit'. There's a cocaine limit? As in an amount you're allowed to drive with? I'm shocked

[Username888]

98elise said:

catso said:

Surely prison works in as much as when he's in there he can't be committing any more crimes? Personally I'd rather see him stopped than rehabilitated.

Just need to put him away for longer - 20 years should be a good start...

This. He can't be trusted outside. Lock him up and he is no longer stealing peoples stuff. Prison works very well in that respect.

There should be a prison points system, similar to the driving licence. X amount of points leads to lethal injection.

If someone needs to remain in prison indefinitely, why should I pay for them. Just put them down.

[Tryke3]

anonymous said:

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Why dont we just cut off his hands or even better remove his eyes ? Should teach him steal from faceless multi billion companies

[TankRizzo]

Tryke3 said:

Why dont we just cut off his hands or even better remove his eyes ? Should teach him steal from faceless multi billion companies

So stealing is ok if your target is wealthy?

[x type]

jamoor said:

x type said:

I know the answer do you ?


http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/man-commit...


mine involves a needle and sleep forever

Really? over some minor misdemeanours?

He's hardly a criminal mastermind.

agree not a criminal mastermind

BUT a blight on society as far as I can see

prison costs good honest tax payers a fortune to keep absolute scum like this alive

Let the tax payer save money for once ?

[jamoor]

x type said:

agree not a criminal mastermind

BUT a blight on society as far as I can see

prison costs good honest tax payers a fortune to keep absolute scum like this alive

Let the tax payer save money for once ?

There's alot better ways to save the taxpayers money I'm sure.

[Kermit power]

Did anyone actually read the full article before jumping in to comment?

We're all sitting in out nice, middle class homes or offices, howling for this bloke to be chucked to the wolves because he's been sent to prison repeatedly and committed over 200 offences.

It's all very easy to take that moral standpoint from our nice lives, but how many of us would actually be any different in that guy's position?

Ignore the question of whether or not you could've resisted the allure of heroin for the moment, and accept that you'd become addicted and committed those initial crimes to feed your habit. Maybe you decide, when you're caught for the 20th time, "fk it, what sort of life is this, I'm going to stay clean when I get out!"

The day comes and you're let out, with your good intentions to stay clean. You're given £46, with nowhere to stay, no job to go to, and no benefits coming in for a month or so.

Do you really, honestly think you wouldn't take the easy way out of getting yourself nicked again to get back somewhere warm with meals provided?

I'm all for not wasting taxpayer (my!) money on mollycoddling criminal scumbags, but in cases like this, the prison system clearly doesn't work, so why keep doing what doesn't work?

I don't really know what the answer is, but it strikes me that maybe providing decent quality accommodation with on site job training, addiction treatment and a job once training has been completed, whilst it might look like mollycoddling, might actually be worth a try if it gets even a modest percentage out of this constant cycle?

At present, this bloke is clearly a blight on society, but I can't believe he's actually sat down and decided that this is going to be his carefully considered career choice, and he sure as hell isn't going to escape from the cycle on his own, considering he just gets chucked out of the door without enough support to even see him through 48 hours on his own, is he?

[SKP555]

He didn't do that while in prison. He did it when he was released. Maybe releasing people from prison 200 times doesn't work.

[Kermit power]

SKP555 said:

He didn't do that while in prison. He did it when he was released. Maybe releasing people from prison 200 times doesn't work.

Places like California have proven that things like the Three Strikes law just don't work, so you can huff and puff all you like, but pragmatically, keeping people locked up doesn't work for society overall.

By the time someone gets into the system far enough to have even one custodial sentence, let alone many, for the overwhelming majority of cases, they've already missed the point of no return, and are going to cost society a bloody fortune.

A big part of the problem is that we're spending so much on arresting and locking up the no hopers that there's bugger all left for early intervention programmes to prevent people from getting into the spiral in the first place, and if you think people (young kids) should be able to just buck their ideas up and sort themselves out, it just shows you how fortunate your own upbringing has been.

[dandarez]

Kermit power said:

SKP555 said:

He didn't do that while in prison. He did it when he was released. Maybe releasing people from prison 200 times doesn't work.

Places like California have proven that things like the Three Strikes law just don't work, so you can huff and puff all you like, but pragmatically, keeping people locked up doesn't work for society overall.

By the time someone gets into the system far enough to have even one custodial sentence, let alone many, for the overwhelming majority of cases, they've already missed the point of no return, and are going to cost society a bloody fortune.

A big part of the problem is that we're spending so much on arresting and locking up the no hopers that there's bugger all left for early intervention programmes to prevent people from getting into the spiral in the first place, and if you think people (young kids) should be able to just buck their ideas up and sort themselves out, it just shows you how fortunate your own upbringing has been.

That might be correct, but the vast majority of joe public go about their daily duties without thieving or ruining other people's lives. If he decided to break into your home and take some of your prized possessions I bet you'd be the first to jump on your high horse (and rightly so). Locking up HAS to be an option to take persistent offenders off the streets (for the protection of those who don't steep so low, in fact, some are in awful positions themselves but never, ever, steep so low!). In fact, I would stop the 46 quid on release, some poor people would think that a lifeline.
Give him a small truck, a ton of tarmac, and he can spend the rest of his life filling the f. potholes that blight our roads. Second thoughts, forget that, he'd nick the truck and tarmac and sell it for his fix 'till he ran out again. Back to the next offence. Leopards never (well, rarely) ime change their spots.

[SKP555]

So how many people in prison have burgled houses or murdered innocent members of the public?

[Derek Smith]

dandarez said:

That might be correct, but the vast majority of joe public go about their daily duties without thieving or ruining other people's lives. If he decided to break into your home and take some of your prized possessions I bet you'd be the first to jump on your high horse (and rightly so). Locking up HAS to be an option to take persistent offenders off the streets (for the protection of those who don't steep so low, in fact, some are in awful positions themselves but never, ever, steep so low!). In fact, I would stop the 46 quid on release, some poor people would think that a lifeline.
Give him a small truck, a ton of tarmac, and he can spend the rest of his life filling the f. potholes that blight our roads. Second thoughts, forget that, he'd nick the truck and tarmac and sell it for his fix 'till he ran out again. Back to the next offence. Leopards never (well, rarely) ime change their spots.

It's a point of view of course, and a bit idealistic, especially about the vast majority of people not committing offences.

The title is correct in that prison has failed, both the public at large, in more ways than one, and the offender.

There are lots of options for change to the current UK system. There is lots of evidence out there as to the efficacy of some of those practiced by other countries.

I've found that people, especially those who committed offences when young, do change their spots. When I got promoted and went out on patrol to display my Bath stars to a generally uninterested public, a lad, then in his 20s, came up to me to congratulate me. I'd nicked him more than once. He was with a girl who shook my hand and thanked me. He'd moved on from being a bit of a tt.

We lock up a considerable number of people at least compared to the civilised area of the western world. My feeling, and that of a number of charities that work for prison reform, is that we lock up the wrong people, and those who should be incarcerated are let out too early and without redirection.

It is clear that there is no system that works with all offenders. My personal view is that those who do respond, and there are many who do, should be supported until they become productive members of the public, and those who are beyond the pale should be beyond walls.

[esxste]

Prison doesn't work because he wasn't rehabilitated.

Find and solve the root cause behind his criminality, and you'll fix the problem.

Is it drugs? Skills? Lifestyle?

Is he institutionalised - feels at home and safe in the routine of prison?

I know that requires a bit more effort than capital punishment; but surely its the mark of civilisation that no citizen is given up on; executed simply because they're too much trouble.