"Anti-Stepford" students - the fightback begins
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I'm a little surprised that there's a movement against sexual consent classes.
Allegations of sexual assault or rape are made daily. How many people are accused because they didn't seek explicit consent (which may not have been forthcoming, and so they would not have done the deed that lands them in hot water). Surely if we make it less of an "awkward" thing to do, we'd have far fewer accusations being made (false or otherwise)
I'm not sure about the "mandatory" part, but I cannot see any argument against teaching students about consent.
Allegations of sexual assault or rape are made daily. How many people are accused because they didn't seek explicit consent (which may not have been forthcoming, and so they would not have done the deed that lands them in hot water). Surely if we make it less of an "awkward" thing to do, we'd have far fewer accusations being made (false or otherwise)
I'm not sure about the "mandatory" part, but I cannot see any argument against teaching students about consent.
"Teaching consent"
Come on, we've been managing to procreate as a race without these consent classes since man-kinds inception.
It's the horrible way it tars all men as sexual assaulting pigs that gets me, consent is something more than just a yes or no, it's body language driven to and implied.
I have no idea what would be a bigger turn off to me than "I'm about to touch your breast is that ok?" "I'm about to get my tongue between your legs is that ok?" "I'm about to turn you around and....is that ok"
What are we doing to sex? We're turning it into some feelingless/formless entity that these professionally offended newspeak-esque professors/professionals/students want it to become because i don't know why?
Come on, we've been managing to procreate as a race without these consent classes since man-kinds inception.
It's the horrible way it tars all men as sexual assaulting pigs that gets me, consent is something more than just a yes or no, it's body language driven to and implied.
I have no idea what would be a bigger turn off to me than "I'm about to touch your breast is that ok?" "I'm about to get my tongue between your legs is that ok?" "I'm about to turn you around and....is that ok"
What are we doing to sex? We're turning it into some feelingless/formless entity that these professionally offended newspeak-esque professors/professionals/students want it to become because i don't know why?
I don't think it's a bad idea for someone (maybe not the NUS, maybe the pastoral team at the uni) to have a word with the 18 year old kids who are away from home for the first time and living in shared accommodation about the dangers of not giving clear or understanding clear sexual consent, along with some other dangers such as booze, fags, alcohol, the risk of turning Goth, bad tattoos and aging Renault Clios.
If they don't want to listen fair enough.
Banning the Sale of the Sun, Express, Mail and Star on campus sounds like a step too far, you'd have though the market would have sufficed to render that uneconomical anyhow.
Culture and human knowledge is always two steps forward one back.
If they don't want to listen fair enough.
Banning the Sale of the Sun, Express, Mail and Star on campus sounds like a step too far, you'd have though the market would have sufficed to render that uneconomical anyhow.
Culture and human knowledge is always two steps forward one back.
The NUS have been a right bunch of w
kers since I was a student a long time ago. Utterly unrepresentative of anyone but themselves. A complete waste of time/money/space.
The sooner ALL the universities unions disaffiliate from the NUS the better. Hell. The ones who have left might even set up a Nation Student Association (or some such name) as a rival. No reason why not.
kers since I was a student a long time ago. Utterly unrepresentative of anyone but themselves. A complete waste of time/money/space.The sooner ALL the universities unions disaffiliate from the NUS the better. Hell. The ones who have left might even set up a Nation Student Association (or some such name) as a rival. No reason why not.
Blimey, things have certainly changed.
Freshers' Week at Southampton Uni in 1973 had an official entertainment evening put on by the Union. The highlight was a stripper, erm I mean an Exotic Dancer. I recall that she also had a pet python.
I can't even begin to imagine the reaction to such a proposal now.
Freshers' Week at Southampton Uni in 1973 had an official entertainment evening put on by the Union. The highlight was a stripper, erm I mean an Exotic Dancer. I recall that she also had a pet python.
I can't even begin to imagine the reaction to such a proposal now.
esxste said:
I'm a little surprised that there's a movement against sexual consent classes.
Allegations of sexual assault or rape are made daily. How many people are accused because they didn't seek explicit consent (which may not have been forthcoming, and so they would not have done the deed that lands them in hot water). Surely if we make it less of an "awkward" thing to do, we'd have far fewer accusations being made (false or otherwise)
I'm not sure about the "mandatory" part, but I cannot see any argument against teaching students about consent.
So if you're with possible one night stand you have to either stop at the kissing stage and ask if you've got explict consent to go all the way, or stop at each stage and check that you have consent for going to the next level....Allegations of sexual assault or rape are made daily. How many people are accused because they didn't seek explicit consent (which may not have been forthcoming, and so they would not have done the deed that lands them in hot water). Surely if we make it less of an "awkward" thing to do, we'd have far fewer accusations being made (false or otherwise)
I'm not sure about the "mandatory" part, but I cannot see any argument against teaching students about consent.
....I'm not convinced thats going to work.
karma mechanic said:
Blimey, things have certainly changed.
Freshers' Week at Southampton Uni in 1973 had an official entertainment evening put on by the Union. The highlight was a stripper, erm I mean an Exotic Dancer. I recall that she also had a pet python.
I can't even begin to imagine the reaction to such a proposal now.
I went to uni just over 10 years ago and there were stripper nights of both varieties on a regular basis.Freshers' Week at Southampton Uni in 1973 had an official entertainment evening put on by the Union. The highlight was a stripper, erm I mean an Exotic Dancer. I recall that she also had a pet python.
I can't even begin to imagine the reaction to such a proposal now.
I really hope the story holds true and is not just empty observations. There's a lot wrong with current universities in this country at the moment and it would be nice to see a tiny bit of the tide being pushed back...
williamp said:
its a logical setp from deciding what gender, if any you are... (you might also need to check what gender the person you wish to practice procreation with is, too):
If everyone puts Jedi will that become a gender? 
The whole news paper thing is just brainwashing, why ban Sun, Star, Express but not the Mirror or Guardian? They are equally mind numbing as the more right wing fecal rags.
You know what? As long as it wasn't a long barracking anti-male tirade from a yoghurt knitter and more in the style of the cup of tea malarkey I think it's a good thing.
Actually there are (sorry, were) sexual assault investigator cops who used to go into Secondary schools to give the exact same talk. You know why?
In my former life as a detective investigating these sort of crimes we were absolutely inundated with student-on-student sexual tales of woe which were very, very rarely easy to unpick due to the general fog of student life and the useful (not) presence of alcohol.
Invariably they would never, ever be clear enough cut to go to court but it would end up ruining two lives. Lads who couldn't really be sure what had happened, girls likewise, both of them dragged in to horrendously personal examinations, a lad who can't ever visit the US visa-free again because he's been arrested, months and months on bail, finals ruined on both sides due to holding on for a result. Sometimes the 'suspects' would be extremely honest that both of them were drunk and they couldn't really be sure what had happened... Their honesty would inevitably be rewarded with a trip to Crown Court a year down the line. Nobody wins.
And the vast majority of these could be avoidable with a bit of education about this kind of stuff. I'm not talking about the date rapists or worse, I'm talking about naive lads and lasses who have got into avoidable situations.
So yeah, the world is what it is and actually causing students to stop and think before their next encounter isn't a bad thing.
Actually there are (sorry, were) sexual assault investigator cops who used to go into Secondary schools to give the exact same talk. You know why?
In my former life as a detective investigating these sort of crimes we were absolutely inundated with student-on-student sexual tales of woe which were very, very rarely easy to unpick due to the general fog of student life and the useful (not) presence of alcohol.
Invariably they would never, ever be clear enough cut to go to court but it would end up ruining two lives. Lads who couldn't really be sure what had happened, girls likewise, both of them dragged in to horrendously personal examinations, a lad who can't ever visit the US visa-free again because he's been arrested, months and months on bail, finals ruined on both sides due to holding on for a result. Sometimes the 'suspects' would be extremely honest that both of them were drunk and they couldn't really be sure what had happened... Their honesty would inevitably be rewarded with a trip to Crown Court a year down the line. Nobody wins.
And the vast majority of these could be avoidable with a bit of education about this kind of stuff. I'm not talking about the date rapists or worse, I'm talking about naive lads and lasses who have got into avoidable situations.
So yeah, the world is what it is and actually causing students to stop and think before their next encounter isn't a bad thing.
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