Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
alfie2244 said:
Dindoit said:
"Some racists" voted Leave? Exactly how many racists do you you reckon voted Remain? Be honest. We both know the answer to that question.
To say all Leave voters are racist is a really dumb and, ironically, prejudiced bigoted nonsense. Just like attention seekers calling Remain voters traitors. However you can be absolutely certain every racist voter ticked Leave.
Well as the EU policy is to discriminate against those from outside of the EU, i.e Africa, India, and the entire ROW except 27 countries I could suggest there could have been more racists voting for Remain........can you be absolutely certain that is not the case?To say all Leave voters are racist is a really dumb and, ironically, prejudiced bigoted nonsense. Just like attention seekers calling Remain voters traitors. However you can be absolutely certain every racist voter ticked Leave.
Dindoit must be a racist if he is a Remainer. Remainers discriminate against people who do not come from EU (white) countries.
alfie2244 said:
Dindoit said:
"Some racists" voted Leave? Exactly how many racists do you you reckon voted Remain? Be honest. We both know the answer to that question.
To say all Leave voters are racist is a really dumb and, ironically, prejudiced bigoted nonsense. Just like attention seekers calling Remain voters traitors. However you can be absolutely certain every racist voter ticked Leave.
Well as the EU policy is to discriminate against those from outside of the EU, i.e Africa, India, and the entire ROW except 27 countries I could suggest there could have been more racists voting for Remain........can you be absolutely certain that is not the case?To say all Leave voters are racist is a really dumb and, ironically, prejudiced bigoted nonsense. Just like attention seekers calling Remain voters traitors. However you can be absolutely certain every racist voter ticked Leave.
Much better to use the term "Protectionist" - sound more defence like but I guess that's risky because it's an exclusive club with member only benefits
How about a "Common Market" - "common" - meaning shared by, coming from, or done by two or more people, groups, or things - that sounds good. "Market" - Meaning a regular gathering of people for the purchase and sale of provisions, livestock, and other commodities.
Now how could anyone mistake that for "discriminatory" or "protectionist"
Now just struggling to see where it all went wrong.........
Dindoit said:
Disingenuous. Not really worth discussing further.
What dictionary do you have??Disingenuous - not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
"this journalist was being somewhat disingenuous as well as cynical"
synonyms: dishonest, deceitful, underhand, underhanded, duplicitous, double-dealing, two-faced, dissembling, insincere, false, lying, untruthful, mendacious;
Ahh I get it you were referring to the EU good to see we agree
Oh and if a Parrot is due - I'll take one now but it needs to be a "Cyber Monday" one
B'stard Child said:
Oh and the NHS won't get 350m a day 
sorry it won't
It never was going to. It's not even what the bus said (although admittedly it insinuated it). Although it's seems what plenty of remainers would have liked it to say. sorry it won'tIf I'm honest I'm somewhat in awe of the person behind the bus. From a campaign POV it is amazing. Even now, 5 months after the result and people can't stop talking about it. From the colour to the wording that was blatantly wrong yet in it's wrongness at best the argument could be made that it was still a lot of money. It was an absolute masterpiece.
///ajd said:
steveT350C said:
///ajd said:
The issue is for those hanging onto every publically spoken word from Theresa as the absolute gospel truth as to what will happen.
Immigration is the priority over trade. Let's see how that pans out.
Do you hang on to every publicly spoken word by TM? Me neither. BBC viewers maybe?Immigration is the priority over trade. Let's see how that pans out.
e.g. 535i and his "brexit means brexit" - a bone I still don't think he has managed to put down.
I think you trump everyone with your racist bone.Managed to find those quotes yet?
Fastdruid said:
It never was going to. It's not even what the bus said (although admittedly it insinuated it). Although it's seems what plenty of remainers would have liked it to say.
If I'm honest I'm somewhat in awe of the person behind the bus. From a campaign POV it is amazing. Even now, 5 months after the result and people can't stop talking about it. From the colour to the wording that was blatantly wrong yet in it's wrongness at best the argument could be made that it was still a lot of money. It was an absolute masterpiece.
If I'm honest I'm somewhat in awe of the person behind the bus. From a campaign POV it is amazing. Even now, 5 months after the result and people can't stop talking about it. From the colour to the wording that was blatantly wrong yet in it's wrongness at best the argument could be made that it was still a lot of money. It was an absolute masterpiece.
alfie2244 said:
Dindoit said:
"Some racists" voted Leave? Exactly how many racists do you you reckon voted Remain? Be honest. We both know the answer to that question.
To say all Leave voters are racist is a really dumb and, ironically, prejudiced bigoted nonsense. Just like attention seekers calling Remain voters traitors. However you can be absolutely certain every racist voter ticked Leave.
Well as the EU policy is to discriminate against those from outside of the EU, i.e Africa, India, and the entire ROW except 27 countries I could suggest there could have been more racists voting for Remain........can you be absolutely certain that is not the case?To say all Leave voters are racist is a really dumb and, ironically, prejudiced bigoted nonsense. Just like attention seekers calling Remain voters traitors. However you can be absolutely certain every racist voter ticked Leave.
t that UKIP and the like have been feeding the gullible to soak up their ideals and de-sensitised anti-immigrant rhetoric.The EU does NOT place any limits on non-EU immigration at all. This is not within the control of the EU. Member states determine policy for non-EU citizens into the EU.
Hence member states could chose to have completely free movement of people from anywhere in the world if they so chose. Not limited by the EU at all.
The UK choice to limit non-EU immigration is just that - a sovereign choice of the UK that it made completely unfettered by interference from the EU.
facts_not_ignorant_b0110cks said:
National Immigration Rules
Each EU country alone decides:
- The total number of migrants that can be admitted to the country to look for work;
- All final decisions on migrant applications;
- Rules on long-term visas – stays for periods longer than three months; and
- Conditions to obtain residence and work permits when no EU-wide rules have been adopted.[/facts]
Peddling this "EU discriminates" nonsense just makes you sound like Paul Nuttalls from UKIPs.
Each EU country alone decides:
- The total number of migrants that can be admitted to the country to look for work;
- All final decisions on migrant applications;
- Rules on long-term visas – stays for periods longer than three months; and
- Conditions to obtain residence and work permits when no EU-wide rules have been adopted.[/facts]
Peddling this "EU discriminates" nonsense just makes you sound like Paul Nuttalls from UKIPs.
Fastdruid said:
B'stard Child said:
Oh and the NHS won't get 350m a day sorry it won't
It never was going to. It's not even what the bus said (although admittedly it insinuated it). Although it's seems what plenty of remainers would have liked it to say. sorry it won't
Fastdruid said:
If I'm honest I'm somewhat in awe of the person behind the bus. From a campaign POV it is amazing. Even now, 5 months after the result and people can't stop talking about it. From the colour to the wording that was blatantly wrong yet in it's wrongness at best the argument could be made that it was still a lot of money. It was an absolute masterpiece.
I was surprised Trump didn't use the same tactic - I mean clearly say something outrageous to get the media frothing away and provide all the coverage he needed to get his core message out.... While the media ridicule the inaccuracy of it all and how it's the wrong number the wrong solution etc etc all the time providing the air time he would have otherwise not got at all.
Fastdruid said:
B'stard Child said:
Oh and the NHS won't get 350m a day sorry it won't
It never was going to. It's not even what the bus said (although admittedly it insinuated it). Although it's seems what plenty of remainers would have liked it to say. sorry it won'tIf I'm honest I'm somewhat in awe of the person behind the bus. From a campaign POV it is amazing. Even now, 5 months after the result and people can't stop talking about it. From the colour to the wording that was blatantly wrong yet in it's wrongness at best the argument could be made that it was still a lot of money. It was an absolute masterpiece.
It could be called bus-gate really.
44 years later and that is still a household name. Not really something to be proud of though.
davepoth said:
///ajd said:
The UK choice to limit non-EU immigration is just that - a sovereign choice of the UK that it made completely unfettered by interference from the EU.
You are aware of the concept of repressed demand, aren't you?t the dumb and gullible 
///ajd said:
Fastdruid said:
B'stard Child said:
Oh and the NHS won't get 350m a day sorry it won't
It never was going to. It's not even what the bus said (although admittedly it insinuated it). Although it's seems what plenty of remainers would have liked it to say. sorry it won'tIf I'm honest I'm somewhat in awe of the person behind the bus. From a campaign POV it is amazing. Even now, 5 months after the result and people can't stop talking about it. From the colour to the wording that was blatantly wrong yet in it's wrongness at best the argument could be made that it was still a lot of money. It was an absolute masterpiece.
davepoth said:
///ajd said:
The UK choice to limit non-EU immigration is just that - a sovereign choice of the UK that it made completely unfettered by interference from the EU.
You are aware of the concept of repressed demand, aren't you?Nothing to do with the EU.
"The EU made us have freedom of movement so we had no choice". Nonsense. Always our choice.
And look how well May did in reducing non-EU migration down to 10,000 or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't get the number down much, did she? Now why do we think that was?
Turns out migration works for this country - but shhhhhhh! - we're not allowed to say so or we might lose some votes!
///ajd said:
Fastdruid said:
B'stard Child said:
Oh and the NHS won't get 350m a day sorry it won't
It never was going to. It's not even what the bus said (although admittedly it insinuated it). Although it's seems what plenty of remainers would have liked it to say. sorry it won'tIf I'm honest I'm somewhat in awe of the person behind the bus. From a campaign POV it is amazing. Even now, 5 months after the result and people can't stop talking about it. From the colour to the wording that was blatantly wrong yet in it's wrongness at best the argument could be made that it was still a lot of money. It was an absolute masterpiece.
It could be called bus-gate really.
44 years later and that is still a household name. Not really something to be proud of though.
Wow - just f
king wow wow wow wow - if you don't know how silly that appears you are beyond help!!///ajd said:
Yes. Still a choice though. Our choice. Our choice as a sovereign state. British Parliaments choice.
Nothing to do with the EU.
"The EU made us have freedom of movement so we had no choice". Nonsense. Always our choice.
And look how well May did in reducing non-EU migration down to 10,000 or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't get the number down much, did she? Now why do we think that was?
Turns out migration works for this country - but shhhhhhh! - we're not allowed to say so or we might lose some votes!
Some migration works. But not all, hence controlling immigration makes sense.Nothing to do with the EU.
"The EU made us have freedom of movement so we had no choice". Nonsense. Always our choice.
And look how well May did in reducing non-EU migration down to 10,000 or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't get the number down much, did she? Now why do we think that was?
Turns out migration works for this country - but shhhhhhh! - we're not allowed to say so or we might lose some votes!
HTH
Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 29th November 23:32
sidicks said:
///ajd said:
Yes. Still a choice though. Our choice. Our choice as a sovereign state. British Parliaments choice.
Nothing to do with the EU.
"The EU made us have freedom of movement so we had no choice". Nonsense. Always our choice.
And look how well May did in reducing non-EU migration down to 10,000 or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't get the number down much, did she? Now why do we think that was?
Turns out migration works for this country - but shhhhhhh! - we're not allowed to say so or we might lose some votes!
Some migration works. But not all, hence controlling immigration makes sense.Nothing to do with the EU.
"The EU made us have freedom of movement so we had no choice". Nonsense. Always our choice.
And look how well May did in reducing non-EU migration down to 10,000 or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't get the number down much, did she? Now why do we think that was?
Turns out migration works for this country - but shhhhhhh! - we're not allowed to say so or we might lose some votes!
HTH
Edited to add correction - if something looks to good to be true it probably is
Like a bus with 350m on the side 
Edited by B'stard Child on Tuesday 29th November 23:44
B'stard Child said:
sidicks said:
///ajd said:
Yes. Still a choice though. Our choice. Our choice as a sovereign state. British Parliaments choice.
Nothing to do with the EU.
"The EU made us have freedom of movement so we had no choice". Nonsense. Always our choice.
And look how well May did in reducing non-EU migration down to 10,000 or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't get the number down much, did she? Now why do we think that was?
Turns out migration works for this country - but shhhhhhh! - we're not allowed to say so or we might lose some votes!
Some migration works. But not all, hence controlling immigration makes sense.
HTH
Nothing to do with the EU.
"The EU made us have freedom of movement so we had no choice". Nonsense. Always our choice.
And look how well May did in reducing non-EU migration down to 10,000 or whatever it was supposed to be. Didn't get the number down much, did she? Now why do we think that was?
Turns out migration works for this country - but shhhhhhh! - we're not allowed to say so or we might lose some votes!
Some migration works. But not all, hence controlling immigration makes sense.
HTH
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