Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
TTwiggy said:
bmw535i said:
TTwiggy said:
At the risk of answering for him, my view is that market forces control economic immigration from the EU. If the opportunity for better earnings didn't exist then EU economic migrants would stop coming here. Note, these people are different to economic migrants for outside the EU where wages will be vastly different, in most cases, to even some of the poorest countries within the EU.
Are you suggesting a method of controlling EU immigration would be to reduce the minimum wage?TTwiggy said:
bmw535i said:
TTwiggy said:
At the risk of answering for him, my view is that market forces control economic immigration from the EU. If the opportunity for better earnings didn't exist then EU economic migrants would stop coming here. Note, these people are different to economic migrants for outside the EU where wages will be vastly different, in most cases, to even some of the poorest countries within the EU.
Are you suggesting a method of controlling EU immigration would be to reduce the minimum wage?FiF said:
bmw535i said:
qualified and certified advisors on immigration
Very few of these jokers will have understood the significance of those words and their implications. More likely don't want to understand.Wasting your breath one suspects.
bmw535i said:
1. We could change our non EU immigration rules and will probably do so once we've left the EU.
2. So the government have been "forced to change non EU migrants rules" by themselves. Okaaaaay.
3. We do not have full control over our non EU immigration policy - see point 2.
We will no doubt never agree on that, but I'd like to know what actual experience you have had of working with non EU migration and how those rules are changing/have changed. On the face of it, you seem to not have much idea and are a little bit naive.
As you say we are unlikely to agree. 2. So the government have been "forced to change non EU migrants rules" by themselves. Okaaaaay.
3. We do not have full control over our non EU immigration policy - see point 2.
We will no doubt never agree on that, but I'd like to know what actual experience you have had of working with non EU migration and how those rules are changing/have changed. On the face of it, you seem to not have much idea and are a little bit naive.
As to my knowledge of non EU immigration it varies since there are many different forms of non EU immigration. What I will describe as visa access, to work, as a student, family, very little. What I will describe as irregular immigration, I do have some know of the problems enforcing the law.
I do however suspect I know more about EU immigration than you do. For example you refer to EU immigration as uncontrolled. Again this is factually incorrect and there have been a number of cases recently that do set limits.
Mrr T said:
As you say we are unlikely to agree.
As to my knowledge of non EU immigration it varies since there are many different forms of non EU immigration. What I will describe as visa access, to work, as a student, family, very little. What I will describe as irregular immigration, I do have some know of the problems enforcing the law.
I do however suspect I know more about EU immigration than you do. For example you refer to EU immigration as uncontrolled. Again this is factually incorrect and there have been a number of cases recently that do set limits.
As you will recall:As to my knowledge of non EU immigration it varies since there are many different forms of non EU immigration. What I will describe as visa access, to work, as a student, family, very little. What I will describe as irregular immigration, I do have some know of the problems enforcing the law.
I do however suspect I know more about EU immigration than you do. For example you refer to EU immigration as uncontrolled. Again this is factually incorrect and there have been a number of cases recently that do set limits.
bmw535i said:
Secondly, if you do think it's controlled, can you explain what controls are in place?
bmw535i said:
Mrr T said:
As you say we are unlikely to agree.
As to my knowledge of non EU immigration it varies since there are many different forms of non EU immigration. What I will describe as visa access, to work, as a student, family, very little. What I will describe as irregular immigration, I do have some know of the problems enforcing the law.
I do however suspect I know more about EU immigration than you do. For example you refer to EU immigration as uncontrolled. Again this is factually incorrect and there have been a number of cases recently that do set limits.
As you will recall:As to my knowledge of non EU immigration it varies since there are many different forms of non EU immigration. What I will describe as visa access, to work, as a student, family, very little. What I will describe as irregular immigration, I do have some know of the problems enforcing the law.
I do however suspect I know more about EU immigration than you do. For example you refer to EU immigration as uncontrolled. Again this is factually incorrect and there have been a number of cases recently that do set limits.
bmw535i said:
Secondly, if you do think it's controlled, can you explain what controls are in place?
bmw535i said:
FiF said:
bmw535i said:
qualified and certified advisors on immigration
Very few of these jokers will have understood the significance of those words and their implications. More likely don't want to understand.Wasting your breath one suspects.
Regarding the EU
For years all our problems are caused by the UK Government however they haven't fixed them - why would they - because they can blame the bogeyman that is the EU and get away with doing the bare minimum to keep their noses in the trough.
Reason to leave Number 2 - I believe the Government should work on behalf of all the people - while they blame their own failures on the EU it's difficult to hold them to account as it doesn't matter what brand is in power the same old excuses are trotted out. I voted leave to remove that excuse.
Mrr T said:
Happily. You cannot emigrate to an EU country only to draw benefits. You will need to search Eureferendum.com for the relevant cases.
You can claim benefits after being in the UK for 3 months. This came in in March 2015 and hasn't controlled immigration at all. In fact, since the referendum, EU migration has risen so it can hardly be seen as an effective control measure.
Do you have any other answers as to how we control EU migration?
B'stard Child said:
America has always needed a bogeyman and for decades it's been Russia.
Regarding the EU
For years all our problems are caused by the UK Government however they haven't fixed them - why would they - because they can blame the bogeyman that is the EU and get away with doing the bare minimum to keep their noses in the trough.
Reason to leave Number 2 - I believe the Government should work on behalf of all the people - while they blame their own failures on the EU it's difficult to hold them to account as it doesn't matter what brand is in power the same old excuses are trotted out. I voted leave to remove that excuse.
this ^^^Regarding the EU
For years all our problems are caused by the UK Government however they haven't fixed them - why would they - because they can blame the bogeyman that is the EU and get away with doing the bare minimum to keep their noses in the trough.
Reason to leave Number 2 - I believe the Government should work on behalf of all the people - while they blame their own failures on the EU it's difficult to hold them to account as it doesn't matter what brand is in power the same old excuses are trotted out. I voted leave to remove that excuse.
although I don't think leaving the EU is the best way of getting the most out of our MP's. a large cattle prod would've done the job at a fraction of the cost
saabster14 said:
B'stard Child said:
America has always needed a bogeyman and for decades it's been Russia.
Regarding the EU
For years all our problems are caused by the UK Government however they haven't fixed them - why would they - because they can blame the bogeyman that is the EU and get away with doing the bare minimum to keep their noses in the trough.
Reason to leave Number 2 - I believe the Government should work on behalf of all the people - while they blame their own failures on the EU it's difficult to hold them to account as it doesn't matter what brand is in power the same old excuses are trotted out. I voted leave to remove that excuse.
this ^^^Regarding the EU
For years all our problems are caused by the UK Government however they haven't fixed them - why would they - because they can blame the bogeyman that is the EU and get away with doing the bare minimum to keep their noses in the trough.
Reason to leave Number 2 - I believe the Government should work on behalf of all the people - while they blame their own failures on the EU it's difficult to hold them to account as it doesn't matter what brand is in power the same old excuses are trotted out. I voted leave to remove that excuse.
although I don't think leaving the EU is the best way of getting the most out of our MP's. a large cattle prod would've done the job at a fraction of the cost
The 273rd one doesn't seem to make anyone chuckle so I'll leave that one out in future......
Makes me chuckle a lot but then I am a child!!!
Edit to add
None of my reasons related to laws or directives
Talking about minimum wage and taxes is all gumpf IMO. From my experience living in East London and working all over, the majority are working cash in hand. Or self employed. Which they avoid tax on by going elsewhere for a while. On top if this they send the bulk of their untaxed income home. So what exactly are they bringing to the country, apart from extra stress on our infrastructure?
I have no solution but i have zero doubt that uncontrolled migration, EU or not, is not good for this country.
I have no solution but i have zero doubt that uncontrolled migration, EU or not, is not good for this country.
danllama said:
Talking about minimum wage and taxes is all gumpf IMO. From my experience living in East London and working all over, the majority are working cash in hand. Or self employed. Which they avoid tax on by going elsewhere for a while. On top if this they send the bulk of their untaxed income home. So what exactly are they bringing to the country, apart from extra stress on our infrastructure?
I have no solution but i have zero doubt that uncontrolled migration, EU or not, is not good for this country.
This is my experience of EU migrants. Naive believers in the system will have you believe that EU migrants are all here to work and contribute to our economy. I'd say most people who have these ideas actually have little or no exposure to real life experiences. I have no solution but i have zero doubt that uncontrolled migration, EU or not, is not good for this country.
I have a friend who works in a travel agents in the south east and she processes hundreds of western union transfers every month (roughly 10 a day). A huge amount of money earned here by any means is sent all over the world to be spent wherever home is.
TTwiggy said:
Why would an EU migrant be using Wester Union? Do you think a French banker in the City is getting paid cash in hand?
Do you think all EU migrants are French bankers, or did it occur to you that there may be some EU migrants flying under the radar?
You've just proved my naive believers theory. Thank you.
bmw535i said:
TTwiggy said:
Why would an EU migrant be using Wester Union? Do you think a French banker in the City is getting paid cash in hand?
Do you think all EU migrants are French bankers, or did it occur to you that there may be some EU migrants flying under the radar?
You've just proved my naive believers theory. Thank you.
No remarks around the coloured bit - it was a descriptive tern
bmw535i said:
B'stard Child said:
I think (can't be 100% sure) that you will be receiving a visit from a multi coloured bird of paradise
Au contraire, I think he was being deadly serious - as you half suspect. You've given him an out now though 
bmw535i said:
B'stard Child said:
Really - no-one is that stupid - seriously it's like backslash3ajd impossible
never underestimate.bmw535i said:
Talking of ajd I thought he'd be getting well stuck in to this debate on immigration - he's clamoured for it long enough.
I'm enjoying the brief respiteI am wondering if there is an appetite for my reason numbers 3 - 272 or however many I get to before someone cries enough - probably from the leave supporters
1 & 2 haven't been de-bunked or lambasted as false...
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