Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
I think that's been posted in every thread now at least once however I don't believe all reposts are bad....
B'stard Child said:
don'tbesilly said:
I think that's been posted in every thread now at least once however I don't believe all reposts are bad....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLa7QVTJuRc
It's worth, I think, checking the odds on Priti Patel being the next Tory leader. Falling very rapidly. It will be her I think. May has lost the dressing room. There is absolutely no way she can get a hard Brexit through. Even a soft one is going to be tricky. In this context people writing off UKIP and Nuttall are gravely mistaken.
W124 said:
It's worth, I think, checking the odds on Priti Patel being the next Tory leader. Falling very rapidly. It will be her I think. May has lost the dressing room. There is absolutely no way she can get a hard Brexit through. Even a soft one is going to be tricky. In this context people writing off UKIP and Nuttall are gravely mistaken.
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?I guess he would draft an enabling act to get hard brexit through unchallenged.
don'tbesilly said:
Superb stuff. The Lib Dems exposed for what they are.don'tbesilly said:
W124 said:
I'm sorry?
I wouldn't worry Fella.///ajd will always twist your words to those that suit his agenda.
You will get used to it, you just need to understand the 'beast' you're dealing with.
Much more difficult to have your replies edited to portray a completely different viewpoint
Dr Jekyll said:
Very funny, except: 1. They don't need to demand a second by-election. There will be a general election in 2020 (or sooner the way that things are currently heading).
2. The election of an MP is legally binding. Therefore things automatically happen as a result of it. The referendum was advisory. Nothing more than an opinion poll.
The radio meltdown of the new MP is pretty epic, but ultimately it did not happen because there are not good answers to the questions. It happened because a new MP was inexperienced and unprepared for a hostile interview.
I have done media training looking at the best way to deal with that sort of interview and it is not easy. She will have learned a difficult lesson.
steveT350C said:
Andrew Neil to Nick Clegg on second referendum:
"Isn't it time for a rebrand; why don't you just drop the democrat?"
He dropped that one on Susan Kramer on This Week too."Isn't it time for a rebrand; why don't you just drop the democrat?"
God she makes my blood boil, in fact ALL Lib Dems are making my blood at the minute. Their stance on Brexit is a f
king disgrace.steveT350C said:
Andrew Neil to Nick Clegg on second referendum:
"Isn't it time for a rebrand; why don't you just drop the democrat?"
You do know that they are calling for a further, different referendum on the terms of the deal rather than a re-run of the existing one? "Isn't it time for a rebrand; why don't you just drop the democrat?"
http://www.libdems.org.uk/europe
I am confused. Leave voters are arguing that referendums are direct democracy and to not want them is unpatriotic. Are more referendum's not a good thing? Are they not asking for more democracy? Should they not be called the Liberal (even more) Democrats?
Surely, if the majority want to leave AND they voted in full awareness that there would be some financial cost, having a further vote when the ACTUAL impact is clear is a good thing? If the leave view is right, it will re-confirm the vote and unite the country because the majority view will be clear.
Elysium said:
steveT350C said:
Andrew Neil to Nick Clegg on second referendum:
"Isn't it time for a rebrand; why don't you just drop the democrat?"
You do know that they are calling for a further, different referendum on the terms of the deal rather than a re-run of the existing one? "Isn't it time for a rebrand; why don't you just drop the democrat?"
http://www.libdems.org.uk/europe
I am confused. Leave voters are arguing that referendums are direct democracy and to not want them is unpatriotic. Are more referendum's not a good thing? Are they not asking for more democracy? Should they not be called the Liberal (even more) Democrats?
Surely, if the majority want to leave AND they voted in full awareness that there would be some financial cost, having a further vote when the ACTUAL impact is clear is a good thing? If the leave view is right, it will re-confirm the vote and unite the country because the majority view will be clear.
I also think the Lib Dems are doing the best they can to harness their horse to a 48% wagon and it's rather misguided as whilst in pure number terms it was a 48% wagon it's probably a much smaller wagon now and provided the Government do a reasonable job of balancing the agreement with the EU on our exit terms in a way that appeals to a significant majority of both leave and remain then that wagon will get even smaller.
I'm reminded of this quote
John Lydgate said:
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
All the government have to do is steer a slightly right of middle path....don4l said:
We really need to have a General Election, or a second referendum as soon as possible. There is no other way to restore national unity.
I'm torn on this: on the one hand, a GE would give the winner a clear mandate to do something. Or a second referendum might give Leave a bigger win and quell some (not all though) ongoing resistance to leaving. But in the other hand, I suspect a GE might well not produce a clear winner. At least now. And a second referendum may well not increase Leave's winning margin appreciably. In short, there remains too much division in the country for either vote to unify - either vote right now may just reinforce division.
Greg66 said:
don4l said:
We really need to have a General Election, or a second referendum as soon as possible. There is no other way to restore national unity.
I'm torn on this: on the one hand, a GE would give the winner a clear mandate to do something. Or a second referendum might give Leave a bigger win and quell some (not all though) ongoing resistance to leaving. But in the other hand, I suspect a GE might well not produce a clear winner. At least now. And a second referendum may well not increase Leave's winning margin appreciably. In short, there remains too much division in the country for either vote to unify - either vote right now may just reinforce division.
I've been back and re-read Don4l's full post again - I still think you might be due a "visit" but it's not 100% clear
Anyway it's way to early and there is no trigger for a GE (yet)
I'm not sure we are likely to get another referendum for a while
lessons learnt and all that!!!chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
You just can't help yourself.
Where's the insult?///ajd said:
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?
///ajd said:
It is clearly no good insulting each other or mocking opinions.
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 09:40
This is a reference to what Stewart Lee calls him - Paul Nuttalls from UKIPs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEsyIuTrO8&t=...
I don't tend to think of mocking politicians as the same as mocking posters here.
I think Nuttalls has fully earned the scorn of Lee, don't you?
///ajd said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
You just can't help yourself.
Where's the insult?///ajd said:
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?
///ajd said:
It is clearly no good insulting each other or mocking opinions.
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 09:40
This is a reference to what Stewart Lee calls him - Paul Nuttalls from UKIPs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEsyIuTrO8&t=...
I don't tend to think of mocking politicians as the same as mocking posters here.
I think Nuttalls has fully earned the scorn of Lee, don't you?
///ajd said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
You just can't help yourself.
Where's the insult?///ajd said:
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?
///ajd said:
It is clearly no good insulting each other or mocking opinions.
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 09:40
Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
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