Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

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chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
You just can't help yourself.

///ajd said:
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?
///ajd said:
It is clearly no good insulting each other or mocking opinions.

Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 09:40
rofl
Where's the insult?
I think Nuttalls has fully earned the scorn of Lee, don't you?
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.

Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?

Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?

Why is Lee so significant to you?
I can't speak for Ajd but I fing Lee a great comedian, He's clearly to the left of the political spectrum, I wouldn't call him a political comedian he just comes at it from an interesting angle.

I think his best bit of stand up is the top gear hammond piece, the reaction it got from the right wing media was brilliant

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12099...

///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.

Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?

Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?

Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant.

It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.


: * what else should we call it?




don'tbesilly

13,937 posts

164 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.

Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?

Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?

Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant.

It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.


: * what else should we call it?
Can you answer the questions please

Elysium

13,850 posts

188 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...

This popped up in my Daily Mash feed on facebook. A few years old, but it made me laugh.

Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

244 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
Can you answer the questions please
Good luck !

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.

Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?

Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?

Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant.

It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.


: * what else should we call it?
Can you answer the questions please
Lee is a comedian, it's an act he finds scorn in Paul Nuttals of the UKIPS for comedic effect I suspect that's enough for him.

Disastrous

10,088 posts

218 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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rofl

Stewart Lee is just fantastic. Clever and funny.

Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

244 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Disastrous said:
rofl

Stewart Lee is just fantastic. Clever and funny.
He sure is. He has found a way to make people laugh and earn money by adding an S to names.

B'stard Child

28,447 posts

247 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.

Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?

Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?

Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant.

It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.


: * what else should we call it?
It's funny first time seen - it takes one sentence from Paul Nuttalls of UKIPs and then replaces the key component of the sentence (Bulgaria) with various elements from the history of the British Isles - right back to the fish that came on land. Trouble is for me it's only funny once it then becomes "was funny when you first watched it".

Personally Monty Python "what have the Romans ever done for us" is funny no matter how many times you watch it

W124

1,544 posts

139 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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///ajd said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
You just can't help yourself.

///ajd said:
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?
///ajd said:
It is clearly no good insulting each other or mocking opinions.

Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 09:40
rofl
Where's the insult?
I used the phrase Nuttalls instead of Nuttall.

This is a reference to what Stewart Lee calls him - Paul Nuttalls from UKIPs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEsyIuTrO8&t=...

I don't tend to think of mocking politicians as the same as mocking posters here.

I think Nuttalls has fully earned the scorn of Lee, don't you?
Yes yes. But what do you think about what I actually posted? My instinct is that you didn't understand what I was trying to say.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?


UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work. wink

don'tbesilly

13,937 posts

164 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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B'stard Child said:
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.

Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?

Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?

Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant.

It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.


: * what else should we call it?
It's funny first time seen - it takes one sentence from Paul Nuttalls of UKIPs and then replaces the key component of the sentence (Bulgaria) with various elements from the history of the British Isles - right back to the fish that came on land. Trouble is for me it's only funny once it then becomes "was funny when you first watched it".

Personally Monty Python "what have the Romans ever done for us" is funny no matter how many times you watch it
If you want to watch a comedy show, it's worthwhile watching Cleggy getting annihilated this morning by Andrew Neil.
It's up there with JHB's radio interview with the Lib-Dem Farron automaton who he threw under the 490 bus to Heathrow the other day laugh

Clegg gets his backside handed on a platter by Andrew Neil:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04k43fq

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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I think the point of the nuttals stand up was to show the ridiculous nature of apaul Nuttalls stance. Surely the point if controlled immigration (which people want yeah?) that thr it is the brightest and best from other countries that ''we' want, the opposite of what Paul. LNuttals of the UKIPS said, lee was taking the mick out of that!

///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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alfie2244 said:
The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?


UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work. wink
Yes, but you can say the same about Hitler. Look how far he went in a short time. But you wouldn't, would you?

Racist right wing nasty politics is never a good thing, and not just because it rises in popularity.


alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?


UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work. wink
Yes, but you can say the same about Hitler. Look how far he went in a short time. But you wouldn't, would you?

Racist right wing nasty politics is never a good thing, and not just because it rises in popularity.
Didn't take long for your new mask of wanting "sensible debate" to slip did it?

Rich_W

12,548 posts

213 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Changing track.

Am I the only person that feels that no matter what the Government does we have very little control over Hard or Soft Brexit?

That essentially the fools in Brussels will do everything they can to go extreme Brexit. Even if it means damaging themselves in the process.


And on another question. We often talk about how much of our export market goes to the EU. Assuming it doesn't go evenly to all 27 states. My gut, and I couldn't find decent facts easily available. Is that a lot of it goes to maybe 6-8 countries. Germany, Holland, France etc And a tiny proportion goes to Romania or Albania say. SO does it matter to those smaller less wealthy countries in the same way it does to Germany?

///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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W124 said:
It's worth, I think, checking the odds on Priti Patel being the next Tory leader. Falling very rapidly. It will be her I think. May has lost the dressing room. There is absolutely no way she can get a hard Brexit through. Even a soft one is going to be tricky. In this context people writing off UKIP and Nuttall are gravely mistaken.
I understand what you are saying.

It is true that if brexit falters, May could in trouble like you say and not only could she be toppled, but UKIP could see a resurgency.

I think this is why she is careful to make the slow faltering brexit everyone elses fault. The 16 word bill for brexit is almost begging to be challenged by parliament. A 16 word bill is not looking to reassure or placate concerns, it is a call to be stopped - but let someone else take the blame.

I don't know whether Nuttalls can secure broader support - in theory he could as anything is possible. I consider he doesn't have the personality of Farage which allowed him to get away with some outrageous statements. Looking at the LBC video reminded me of the time he was uncomfortable with people on a train talking foreign language. He even admits he is not very good at foreign languages and yet has a job in Brussels (of sorts). The hypocrisy and casual racism is blatant.

I think Nuttalls will be less charming and his inherent racism may be more tricky to put a PR gloss over.

Nuttalls said:
In a televised press conference, Mr Nuttall told Bulgarians “You need to ensure that your brightest stay and make your own country economically prosperous instead of coming to the UK to serve tea and coffee”






anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Presumably with nobody in power in the UK actually wants Brexit, the UK will end up with something as close to what we had before the referendum but to be able to call it Brexit.

So that would be Brexit but paying to have access to all the EU stuff we had before and very slightly limited freedom of movement,

Aparently the Canada EU deal took eight years to negotiate and that was with everyone wanting it.

B'stard Child

28,447 posts

247 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Rich_W said:
Changing track.

Am I the only person that feels that no matter what the Government does we have very little control over Hard or Soft Brexit?

That essentially the fools in Brussels will do everything they can to go extreme Brexit. Even if it means damaging themselves in the process.


And on another question. We often talk about how much of our export market goes to the EU. Assuming it doesn't go evenly to all 27 states. My gut, and I couldn't find decent facts easily available. Is that a lot of it goes to maybe 6-8 countries. Germany, Holland, France etc And a tiny proportion goes to Romania or Albania say. SO does it matter to those smaller less wealthy countries in the same way it does to Germany?
Yes, yes and no.

Don4l has a very good point in that any negotiation may be completely pointless.

I'd rather we did attempt to negotiate even if the only thing that is agreed is the rights of EU citizens over here and the rights of UK nationals in the EU.

///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?


UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work. wink
Yes, but you can say the same about Hitler. Look how far he went in a short time. But you wouldn't, would you?

Racist right wing nasty politics is never a good thing, and not just because it rises in popularity.
Didn't take long for your new mask of wanting "sensible debate" to slip did it?
UKIP have had some very unpleasant policies and have been littered with racist history and antics form various members.

There is a sensible debate to be had about that, whether UKIPpers like it or not.

Look at Farage here - he's just taking the piss smile





Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 15:01