Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
You just can't help yourself.
Where's the insult?///ajd said:
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?
///ajd said:
It is clearly no good insulting each other or mocking opinions.
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 09:40
Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
I think his best bit of stand up is the top gear hammond piece, the reaction it got from the right wing media was brilliant
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12099...
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.
Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant. Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.
: * what else should we call it?
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.
Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant. Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.
: * what else should we call it?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
This popped up in my Daily Mash feed on facebook. A few years old, but it made me laugh.
This popped up in my Daily Mash feed on facebook. A few years old, but it made me laugh.
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.
Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant. Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.
: * what else should we call it?
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.
Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant. Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.
: * what else should we call it?
Personally Monty Python "what have the Romans ever done for us" is funny no matter how many times you watch it
///ajd said:
chrispmartha said:
alfie2244 said:
You just can't help yourself.
Where's the insult?///ajd said:
Are you proposing Nuttalls for PM?
///ajd said:
It is clearly no good insulting each other or mocking opinions.
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 09:40
This is a reference to what Stewart Lee calls him - Paul Nuttalls from UKIPs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKEsyIuTrO8&t=...
I don't tend to think of mocking politicians as the same as mocking posters here.
I think Nuttalls has fully earned the scorn of Lee, don't you?
The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?
UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
B'stard Child said:
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
Apart from seeing him on the Marr Show this morning for no more than a few minutes, I know nothing about Paul Nuttall.
Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
Watch the video - its brilliant. Please explain why Paul Nuttall has earned the scorn of Lee?
Apart from being the new leader of UKIP, what has Nuttall said that's worthy of scorn since taking up his new position?
Why is Lee so significant in his scorning of Nuttall?
Apart from being a comedian,does Lee have some political leaning or persuasion that people need to take heed of?
Why is Lee so significant to you?
It is a fantastic skit based on some of Nuttalls xenophobic/racist* ranting at the time - a few years back now.
: * what else should we call it?
Personally Monty Python "what have the Romans ever done for us" is funny no matter how many times you watch it
It's up there with JHB's radio interview with the Lib-Dem Farron automaton who he threw under the 490 bus to Heathrow the other day
Clegg gets his backside handed on a platter by Andrew Neil:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04k43fq
I think the point of the nuttals stand up was to show the ridiculous nature of apaul Nuttalls stance. Surely the point if controlled immigration (which people want yeah?) that thr it is the brightest and best from other countries that ''we' want, the opposite of what Paul. LNuttals of the UKIPS said, lee was taking the mick out of that!
alfie2244 said:
The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?
UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
Yes, but you can say the same about Hitler. Look how far he went in a short time. But you wouldn't, would you?UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
Racist right wing nasty politics is never a good thing, and not just because it rises in popularity.
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?
UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
Yes, but you can say the same about Hitler. Look how far he went in a short time. But you wouldn't, would you?UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
Racist right wing nasty politics is never a good thing, and not just because it rises in popularity.
Changing track.
Am I the only person that feels that no matter what the Government does we have very little control over Hard or Soft Brexit?
That essentially the fools in Brussels will do everything they can to go extreme Brexit. Even if it means damaging themselves in the process.
And on another question. We often talk about how much of our export market goes to the EU. Assuming it doesn't go evenly to all 27 states. My gut, and I couldn't find decent facts easily available. Is that a lot of it goes to maybe 6-8 countries. Germany, Holland, France etc And a tiny proportion goes to Romania or Albania say. SO does it matter to those smaller less wealthy countries in the same way it does to Germany?
Am I the only person that feels that no matter what the Government does we have very little control over Hard or Soft Brexit?
That essentially the fools in Brussels will do everything they can to go extreme Brexit. Even if it means damaging themselves in the process.
And on another question. We often talk about how much of our export market goes to the EU. Assuming it doesn't go evenly to all 27 states. My gut, and I couldn't find decent facts easily available. Is that a lot of it goes to maybe 6-8 countries. Germany, Holland, France etc And a tiny proportion goes to Romania or Albania say. SO does it matter to those smaller less wealthy countries in the same way it does to Germany?
W124 said:
It's worth, I think, checking the odds on Priti Patel being the next Tory leader. Falling very rapidly. It will be her I think. May has lost the dressing room. There is absolutely no way she can get a hard Brexit through. Even a soft one is going to be tricky. In this context people writing off UKIP and Nuttall are gravely mistaken.
I understand what you are saying.It is true that if brexit falters, May could in trouble like you say and not only could she be toppled, but UKIP could see a resurgency.
I think this is why she is careful to make the slow faltering brexit everyone elses fault. The 16 word bill for brexit is almost begging to be challenged by parliament. A 16 word bill is not looking to reassure or placate concerns, it is a call to be stopped - but let someone else take the blame.
I don't know whether Nuttalls can secure broader support - in theory he could as anything is possible. I consider he doesn't have the personality of Farage which allowed him to get away with some outrageous statements. Looking at the LBC video reminded me of the time he was uncomfortable with people on a train talking foreign language. He even admits he is not very good at foreign languages and yet has a job in Brussels (of sorts). The hypocrisy and casual racism is blatant.
I think Nuttalls will be less charming and his inherent racism may be more tricky to put a PR gloss over.
Nuttalls said:
In a televised press conference, Mr Nuttall told Bulgarians “You need to ensure that your brightest stay and make your own country economically prosperous instead of coming to the UK to serve tea and coffee”
Presumably with nobody in power in the UK actually wants Brexit, the UK will end up with something as close to what we had before the referendum but to be able to call it Brexit.
So that would be Brexit but paying to have access to all the EU stuff we had before and very slightly limited freedom of movement,
Aparently the Canada EU deal took eight years to negotiate and that was with everyone wanting it.
So that would be Brexit but paying to have access to all the EU stuff we had before and very slightly limited freedom of movement,
Aparently the Canada EU deal took eight years to negotiate and that was with everyone wanting it.
Rich_W said:
Changing track.
Am I the only person that feels that no matter what the Government does we have very little control over Hard or Soft Brexit?
That essentially the fools in Brussels will do everything they can to go extreme Brexit. Even if it means damaging themselves in the process.
And on another question. We often talk about how much of our export market goes to the EU. Assuming it doesn't go evenly to all 27 states. My gut, and I couldn't find decent facts easily available. Is that a lot of it goes to maybe 6-8 countries. Germany, Holland, France etc And a tiny proportion goes to Romania or Albania say. SO does it matter to those smaller less wealthy countries in the same way it does to Germany?
Yes, yes and no.Am I the only person that feels that no matter what the Government does we have very little control over Hard or Soft Brexit?
That essentially the fools in Brussels will do everything they can to go extreme Brexit. Even if it means damaging themselves in the process.
And on another question. We often talk about how much of our export market goes to the EU. Assuming it doesn't go evenly to all 27 states. My gut, and I couldn't find decent facts easily available. Is that a lot of it goes to maybe 6-8 countries. Germany, Holland, France etc And a tiny proportion goes to Romania or Albania say. SO does it matter to those smaller less wealthy countries in the same way it does to Germany?
Don4l has a very good point in that any negotiation may be completely pointless.
I'd rather we did attempt to negotiate even if the only thing that is agreed is the rights of EU citizens over here and the rights of UK nationals in the EU.
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
The irony is the continued "mocking" has probably given Nuttall / UKIP more media attention than it might otherwise get. You never know but it may have been Lee's "Nuttalls comedy " act that actually raised his profile to the point where he was able to become leader of the Ukips?
UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
Yes, but you can say the same about Hitler. Look how far he went in a short time. But you wouldn't, would you?UKIP has already gone much much further than those who dismissed and insulted it ever thought possible....Just ask Cameron (he of loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists fame);) so perhaps I should actually be congratulating the likes of Lee, 3ajd et al for all their good work.
Racist right wing nasty politics is never a good thing, and not just because it rises in popularity.
There is a sensible debate to be had about that, whether UKIPpers like it or not.
Look at Farage here - he's just taking the piss
Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 4th December 15:01
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