Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

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Elysium

13,844 posts

188 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
There is a staggering amount of evidence from a myriad of journalists regarding links between UKIP members and overtly racist groups. Try this one selected at random:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10481892/...

However, I think we have concluded that your intention is to deliberately ignore all of the evidence.
Well you keep telling me this, but I'm not seeing it. Are you saying everyone in the EDL is racist?

Can I be a friend of an EDL member without being a racist?
Yes to both questions.
Interesting, I'd have said no and yes respectively. See, not everyone thinks the same smile
Indeed. Some people are not racist, some are overtly racist and some try to hide their racism.

EDL members are a mix of the second two by the way. Some manage to hide it even from themselves.

Edited by Elysium on Sunday 4th December 21:14

combi14

487 posts

155 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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bmw535i said:
Your googlefest got out of hand it seems
A nice lady walked past where I am sitting too.....I'm easily distracted





///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
This is definitely legit:



smile
Seek help urgently.
You too?

I've given up asking now, just observing those jumping on the "nothing to see here" wagon.
I'll get mine free but not sure EHIC will be sufficient for your help in France.
No I meant do you too think there is nothing remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP?

Oops. I just asked. smile

A few regulars seem to have joined confirmed the resident kippers and appear convinced Farage & his ilk are whiter than white when it comes to being a bit xenophobic/racist - no pun intended. smile

At least that's what I've taken from their posts today.



anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Elysium said:
Indeed. Some people are not racist, some are overtly racist and some try to hide their racism.

EDL members are a mix of the second two by the way. Some manage to hide it even from themselves.

Edited by Elysium on Sunday 4th December 21:14
And anyone who doesn't think UKIP is a racist party is a racist. I get it now

combi14

487 posts

155 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
There is a staggering amount of evidence from a myriad of journalists regarding links between UKIP members and overtly racist groups. Try this one selected at random:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10481892/...

However, I think we have concluded that your intention is to deliberately ignore all of the evidence.
Well you keep telling me this, but I'm not seeing it. Are you saying everyone in the EDL is racist?

Can I be a friend of an EDL member without being a racist?
Yes to both questions.
Interesting, I'd have said no and yes respectively. See, not everyone thinks the same smile
Indeed. Some people are not racist, some are overtly racist and some try to hide their racism.

EDL members are a mix of the second two by the way.


Edited by Elysium on Sunday 4th December 21:12
UKIP are trying to distance themselves from racism.. that's good

A large chuck of UKIP supporters aren't in all likelihood racist... but are politically aligned

To non UKIP supporters, it's hard to see past that undeniable loony element to UKIP, add that in with the history of links to racist members and you get people branding all UKIP supporters as racist

So there really is an impasse

If UKIP can shed that racist vibe that hangs around on occasion then they'll give labour and the Tory's a real run for their money.

Do I really think all UKIP supporters are racist?. NO
Do I think quite a few UKIP members indulge in a rhetoric that could be seen as racist ? Yes

Do I think that anyone on here cares what I think.? .... NO.

B'stard Child

28,441 posts

247 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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Well that escalated slowly

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
This is definitely legit:



smile
Seek help urgently.
You too?

I've given up asking now, just observing those jumping on the "nothing to see here" wagon.
I'll get mine free but not sure EHIC will be sufficient for your help in France.
No I meant do you too think there is nothing remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP?

Oops. I just asked. smile

A few regulars seem to have joined confirmed the resident kippers and appear convinced Farage & his ilk are whiter than white when it comes to being a bit xenophobic/racist - no pun intended. smile

At least that's what I've taken from their posts today.
You don't give 2 fooks what I think really.........but then again I don't give 2 fooks what you think either.

I can't respond to the next bit as I haven't got a clue what you are on about..not that it matters.

You like to take, make up, twist, contort, misrepresent whatever you like from posts regardless what they actually say so why change a habit of a lifetime?

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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combi14 said:
UKIP are trying to distance themselves from racism.. that's good

A large chuck of UKIP supporters aren't in all likelihood racist... but are politically aligned

To non UKIP supporters, it's hard to see past that undeniable loony element to UKIP, add that in with the history of links to racist members and you get people branding all UKIP supporters as racist

So there really is an impasse

If UKIP can shed that racist vibe that hangs around on occasion then they'll give labour and the Tory's a real run for their money.

Do I really think all UKIP supporters are racist?. NO
Do I think quite a few UKIP members indulge in a rhetoric that could be seen as racist ? Yes

Do I think that anyone on here cares what I think.? .... NO.
I agree with all that. It's a shame more people can't accept that people who show support for UKIP aren't racists. Your last point is particularly relevant.

Some people on here seem to try and make people feel a sense of guilt or shame about things. Taking themselves too seriously I'd say.

///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
This is definitely legit:



smile
Seek help urgently.
You too?

I've given up asking now, just observing those jumping on the "nothing to see here" wagon.
I'll get mine free but not sure EHIC will be sufficient for your help in France.
No I meant do you too think there is nothing remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP?

Oops. I just asked. smile

A few regulars seem to have joined confirmed the resident kippers and appear convinced Farage & his ilk are whiter than white when it comes to being a bit xenophobic/racist - no pun intended. smile

At least that's what I've taken from their posts today.
You don't give 2 fooks what I think really.........but then again I don't give 2 fooks what you think either.

I can't respond to the next bit as I haven't got a clue what you are on about..not that it matters.

You like to take, make up, twist, contort, misrepresent whatever you like from posts regardless what they actually say so why change a habit of a lifetime?
The question is quite simple. Possible answers include:

Alfie "I do not think there is anything remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP"
Alfie "I do think UKIP are a bit xenophobic & racist"

Other answers are available.

But avoiding an answer altogether does leave one wondering why it is so difficult to offer an opinion.

combi14

487 posts

155 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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B'stard Child said:
Well that escalated slowly
I'm a newcomer to NPandE. But I've noticed that this week has mainly been the same group having the same argument over several threads.... IT'S GREAT,!!!!


Has it always this way?

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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alfie2244 said:
You don't give 2 fooks what I think really.........but then again I don't give 2 fooks what you think either.

I can't respond to the next bit as I haven't got a clue what you are on about..not that it matters.

You like to take, make up, twist, contort, misrepresent whatever you like from posts regardless what they actually say so why change a habit of a lifetime?
Indeed, I don't see where anyone has said there is nothing remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP.

I'm pretty sure there is a tendency for some people to drink heavily when posting on here - it would explain a lot

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
This is definitely legit:



smile
Seek help urgently.
You too?

I've given up asking now, just observing those jumping on the "nothing to see here" wagon.
I'll get mine free but not sure EHIC will be sufficient for your help in France.
No I meant do you too think there is nothing remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP?

Oops. I just asked. smile

A few regulars seem to have joined confirmed the resident kippers and appear convinced Farage & his ilk are whiter than white when it comes to being a bit xenophobic/racist - no pun intended. smile

At least that's what I've taken from their posts today.
You don't give 2 fooks what I think really.........but then again I don't give 2 fooks what you think either.

I can't respond to the next bit as I haven't got a clue what you are on about..not that it matters.

You like to take, make up, twist, contort, misrepresent whatever you like from posts regardless what they actually say so why change a habit of a lifetime?
The question is quite simple. Possible answers include:

Alfie "I do not think there is anything remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP"
Alfie "I do think UKIP are a bit xenophobic & racist"

Other answers are available.

But avoiding an answer altogether does leave one wondering why it is so difficult to offer an opinion.
I do not think UKIP is any more / less racist or Xenophobic than any of the other major political parties in the UK............OK now?

///ajd

8,964 posts

207 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
This is definitely legit:



smile
Seek help urgently.
You too?

I've given up asking now, just observing those jumping on the "nothing to see here" wagon.
I'll get mine free but not sure EHIC will be sufficient for your help in France.
No I meant do you too think there is nothing remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP?

Oops. I just asked. smile

A few regulars seem to have joined confirmed the resident kippers and appear convinced Farage & his ilk are whiter than white when it comes to being a bit xenophobic/racist - no pun intended. smile

At least that's what I've taken from their posts today.
You don't give 2 fooks what I think really.........but then again I don't give 2 fooks what you think either.

I can't respond to the next bit as I haven't got a clue what you are on about..not that it matters.

You like to take, make up, twist, contort, misrepresent whatever you like from posts regardless what they actually say so why change a habit of a lifetime?
The question is quite simple. Possible answers include:

Alfie "I do not think there is anything remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP"
Alfie "I do think UKIP are a bit xenophobic & racist"

Other answers are available.

But avoiding an answer altogether does leave one wondering why it is so difficult to offer an opinion.
I do not think UKIP is any more / less racist or Xenophobic than any of the other major political parties in the UK............OK now?
Yes, that clears it up nicely. Thanks.


combi14

487 posts

155 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
bmw535i said:
combi14 said:
UKIP are trying to distance themselves from racism.. that's good

A large chuck of UKIP supporters aren't in all likelihood racist... but are politically aligned

To non UKIP supporters, it's hard to see past that undeniable loony element to UKIP, add that in with the history of links to racist members and you get people branding all UKIP supporters as racist

So there really is an impasse

If UKIP can shed that racist vibe that hangs around on occasion then they'll give labour and the Tory's a real run for their money.

Do I really think all UKIP supporters are racist?. NO
Do I think quite a few UKIP members indulge in a rhetoric that could be seen as racist ? Yes

Do I think that anyone on here cares what I think.? .... NO.
I agree with all that. It's a shame more people can't accept that people who show support for UKIP aren't racists. Your last point is particularly relevant.

Some people on here seem to try and make people feel a sense of guilt or shame about things. Taking themselves too seriously I'd say.
In all honesty my perspective has changed a little after reading the point scoring that's been going on in the thread about the poor young girl who was murdered.

It's all quite grubby,
Sad really

I'll gladly have a dig at all you mad UKIP'ers, but there are lines I won't cross, and people should take a long hard look at themselves. Point scoring by using a young girls death is appalling. And that goes for both sets of arguing parties



Edited by combi14 on Sunday 4th December 21:52

alfie2244

11,292 posts

189 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
This is definitely legit:



smile
Seek help urgently.
You too?

I've given up asking now, just observing those jumping on the "nothing to see here" wagon.
I'll get mine free but not sure EHIC will be sufficient for your help in France.
No I meant do you too think there is nothing remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP?

Oops. I just asked. smile

A few regulars seem to have joined confirmed the resident kippers and appear convinced Farage & his ilk are whiter than white when it comes to being a bit xenophobic/racist - no pun intended. smile

At least that's what I've taken from their posts today.
You don't give 2 fooks what I think really.........but then again I don't give 2 fooks what you think either.

I can't respond to the next bit as I haven't got a clue what you are on about..not that it matters.

You like to take, make up, twist, contort, misrepresent whatever you like from posts regardless what they actually say so why change a habit of a lifetime?
The question is quite simple. Possible answers include:

Alfie "I do not think there is anything remotely xenophobic or racist about UKIP"
Alfie "I do think UKIP are a bit xenophobic & racist"

Other answers are available.

But avoiding an answer altogether does leave one wondering why it is so difficult to offer an opinion.
I do not think UKIP is any more / less racist or Xenophobic than any of the other major political parties in the UK............OK now?
Yes, that clears it up nicely. Thanks.
CBA to look back but I'm sure other had unanswered questions directed to you.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
combi14 said:
In all honesty my perspective has changed a little after reading the point scoring that's been going on in the thread about the poor young girl who was murdered.

It's all quite grubby,
Sad really

I'll gladly have a dig at all you mad UKIP'ers, but there are lines I won't cross, and people should take a long hard look at themselves. Point scoring by using a young girls death is appalling. And that goes for both sets of arguing parties



Edited by combi14 on Sunday 4th December 21:52
Are you talking about Jo Cox?

don'tbesilly

13,937 posts

164 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
bmw535i said:
combi14 said:
In all honesty my perspective has changed a little after reading the point scoring that's been going on in the thread about the poor young girl who was murdered.

It's all quite grubby,
Sad really

I'll gladly have a dig at all you mad UKIP'ers, but there are lines I won't cross, and people should take a long hard look at themselves. Point scoring by using a young girls death is appalling. And that goes for both sets of arguing parties



Edited by combi14 on Sunday 4th December 21:52
Are you talking about Jo Cox?
I think combi is referring to this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Not sure why it's in any way linked to UKIP though?

B'stard Child

28,441 posts

247 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
combi14 said:
B'stard Child said:
Well that escalated slowly
I'm a newcomer to NPandE. But I've noticed that this week has mainly been the same group having the same argument over several threads.... IT'S GREAT,!!!!


Has it always this way?
Yes and no

It's a it like piles - it comes with age but no one wants to discuss it

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
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don'tbesilly said:
I think combi is referring to this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Not sure why it's in any way linked to UKIP though?
Well you know how it is. People will use anything to further their agenda.

Elysium

13,844 posts

188 months

Sunday 4th December 2016
quotequote all
bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
Indeed. Some people are not racist, some are overtly racist and some try to hide their racism.

EDL members are a mix of the second two by the way. Some manage to hide it even from themselves.

Edited by Elysium on Sunday 4th December 21:14
And anyone who doesn't think UKIP is a racist party is a racist. I get it now
No. People who deliberately overlook and tacitly forgive overwhelming evidence of racism are in all likelihood also racist.

As I said at the start of this discussion UKIP have tried hard to enter the mainstream. They do not encourage racism or have racist policies. However, they have very clearly had an historic problem with racism and I suspect that a lot of their members and supports have learned to hide their views as opposed to changing them.

That does not mean that all UKIP supporters are racist. I am certain that is not the case.