Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
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Elysium said:
No. People who deliberately overlook and tacitly forgive overwhelming evidence of racism are in all likelihood also racist.
As I said at the start of this discussion UKIP have tried hard to enter the mainstream. They do not encourage racism or have racist policies. However, they have very clearly had an historic problem with racism and I suspect that a lot of their members and supports have learned to hide their views as opposed to changing them.
That does not mean that all UKIP supporters are racist. I am certain that is not the case.
I'm fairly sure most political parties have racist members and followers.As I said at the start of this discussion UKIP have tried hard to enter the mainstream. They do not encourage racism or have racist policies. However, they have very clearly had an historic problem with racism and I suspect that a lot of their members and supports have learned to hide their views as opposed to changing them.
That does not mean that all UKIP supporters are racist. I am certain that is not the case.
I suppose what some people would call overwhelming evidence, others would consider anecdotal. Thankfully one cannot be convicted in court on the day so of news article or edited VT.
No, not all UKIP supporters are racist. I know a lot of them and none are racist.
bmw535i said:
I'm fairly sure most political parties have racist members and followers.
I suppose what some people would call overwhelming evidence, others would consider anecdotal. Thankfully one cannot be convicted in court on the day so of news article or edited VT.
No, not all UKIP supporters are racist. I know a lot of them and none are racist.
"Racist and Bigot" must be two of the most used and offensive terms thrown around these days. Every response is in the extreme on the internet . Labour have a real problem with Anti Semitism but the vast majority of all the people in this Country are decent people and not the nutters some like to suggest with every post just because they may have Voted for Brexit or UKIP.I suppose what some people would call overwhelming evidence, others would consider anecdotal. Thankfully one cannot be convicted in court on the day so of news article or edited VT.
No, not all UKIP supporters are racist. I know a lot of them and none are racist.
bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
No. People who deliberately overlook and tacitly forgive overwhelming evidence of racism are in all likelihood also racist.
As I said at the start of this discussion UKIP have tried hard to enter the mainstream. They do not encourage racism or have racist policies. However, they have very clearly had an historic problem with racism and I suspect that a lot of their members and supports have learned to hide their views as opposed to changing them.
That does not mean that all UKIP supporters are racist. I am certain that is not the case.
I'm fairly sure most political parties have racist members and followers.As I said at the start of this discussion UKIP have tried hard to enter the mainstream. They do not encourage racism or have racist policies. However, they have very clearly had an historic problem with racism and I suspect that a lot of their members and supports have learned to hide their views as opposed to changing them.
That does not mean that all UKIP supporters are racist. I am certain that is not the case.
I suppose what some people would call overwhelming evidence, others would consider anecdotal. Thankfully one cannot be convicted in court on the day so of news article or edited VT.
No, not all UKIP supporters are racist. I know a lot of them and none are racist.
Elysium said:
Some people may consider the evidence that UKIP has been linked to racism to be anecdotal. That is not a rational view and it would strongly suggest that they are either trying to hide their own racial bias, or that they have difficulty with critical thought.
Or they actually know some real peopleA serious question which I hope can be answered without a descent into tribalism -
Has anyone here met a person who admits to being racist or xenophobic? I think (giving them the benefit of the doubt) that they honestly don't see themselves as racist.
I am in another country, but even the most racist guy at work woukd preface his bigoted remarks with "I'm not racist but..."
Has anyone here met a person who admits to being racist or xenophobic? I think (giving them the benefit of the doubt) that they honestly don't see themselves as racist.
I am in another country, but even the most racist guy at work woukd preface his bigoted remarks with "I'm not racist but..."
Elysium said:
Some people may consider the evidence that UKIP has been linked to racism to be anecdotal. That is not a rational view and it would strongly suggest that they are either trying to hide their own racial bias, or that they have difficulty with critical thought.
That is only your opinion. You can insinuate and strongly suggest whatever you like, it doesn't really make much difference. Your excessive bias on this subject is very apparent so I don't consider your thoughts to be rational or considered. AW111 said:
A serious question which I hope can be answered without a descent into tribalism -
Has anyone here met a person who admits to being racist or xenophobic? I think (giving them the benefit of the doubt) that they honestly don't see themselves as racist.
I am in another country, but even the most racist guy at work woukd preface his bigoted remarks with "I'm not racist but..."
Yes I had a colleague who was racist and was very open about it - he was discharged. Has anyone here met a person who admits to being racist or xenophobic? I think (giving them the benefit of the doubt) that they honestly don't see themselves as racist.
I am in another country, but even the most racist guy at work woukd preface his bigoted remarks with "I'm not racist but..."
The "most racist guy" at your work, what bigoted remarks does he make?
I expect some people will label this as racist in itself......
Racial segregation 'growing in UK', Dame Louise Casey warns
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
Racial segregation 'growing in UK', Dame Louise Casey warns
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
bmw535i said:
Elysium said:
No. People who deliberately overlook and tacitly forgive overwhelming evidence of racism are in all likelihood also racist.
As I said at the start of this discussion UKIP have tried hard to enter the mainstream. They do not encourage racism or have racist policies. However, they have very clearly had an historic problem with racism and I suspect that a lot of their members and supports have learned to hide their views as opposed to changing them.
That does not mean that all UKIP supporters are racist. I am certain that is not the case.
I'm fairly sure most political parties have racist members and followers.As I said at the start of this discussion UKIP have tried hard to enter the mainstream. They do not encourage racism or have racist policies. However, they have very clearly had an historic problem with racism and I suspect that a lot of their members and supports have learned to hide their views as opposed to changing them.
That does not mean that all UKIP supporters are racist. I am certain that is not the case.
I suppose what some people would call overwhelming evidence, others would consider anecdotal. Thankfully one cannot be convicted in court on the day so of news article or edited VT.
No, not all UKIP supporters are racist. I know a lot of them and none are racist.
bmw535i said:
Yes I had a colleague who was racist and was very open about it - he was discharged.
The "most racist guy" at your work, what bigoted remarks does he make?
He's left now, but gems includedThe "most racist guy" at your work, what bigoted remarks does he make?
I'm not racist but..
All Indians stink and talk that jibber-jabber.
All abos (his word) are drunken lazy thieves.
All towelheads (his word) are religious nutters and should be thrown out of the country.
Need I go on?
AW111 said:
He's left now, but gems included
I'm not racist but..
All Indians stink and talk that jibber-jabber.
All abos (his word) are drunken lazy thieves.
All towelheads (his word) are religious nutters and should be thrown out of the country.
Need I go on?
He sounds racist. That doesn't mean all people who say they aren't racists are. I'm not racist but..
All Indians stink and talk that jibber-jabber.
All abos (his word) are drunken lazy thieves.
All towelheads (his word) are religious nutters and should be thrown out of the country.
Need I go on?
bmw535i said:
He sounds racist. That doesn't mean all people who say they aren't racists are.
That was never my contention. My point was that some (many?) racists not only say they aren't racist, they genuinely believe they aren't racist.I am not making this claim about anyone on this thread, just asking for others' experience, and you have replied on-topic (thanks) that you have met someone who says they are racist, which has not been my experience so far.
To avoid being sidetracked into "PC virtue signalling" arguments, I work in factories, and drink in a pretty rough pub, so not exactly "elite liberal PC snowflake" environments
.The "lefties" up the pub are more of the "all bosses are b
ds" type than metropolitan elites - if don4l were to try his "wind up the lefties" shtick there I'd pay to watch 
.AW111 said:
That was never my contention. My point was that some (many?) racists not only say they aren't racist, they genuinely believe they aren't racist.
I am not making this claim about anyone on this thread, just asking for others' experience, and you have replied on-topic (thanks) that you have met someone who says they are racist, which has not been my experience so far.
To avoid being sidetracked into "PC virtue signalling" arguments, I work in factories, and drink in a pretty rough pub, so not exactly "elite liberal PC snowflake" environments.
The "lefties" up the pub are more of the "all bosses are bds" type than metropolitan elites - if don4l were to try his "wind up the lefties" shtick there I'd pay to watch .
Why, what would happen? I am not making this claim about anyone on this thread, just asking for others' experience, and you have replied on-topic (thanks) that you have met someone who says they are racist, which has not been my experience so far.
To avoid being sidetracked into "PC virtue signalling" arguments, I work in factories, and drink in a pretty rough pub, so not exactly "elite liberal PC snowflake" environments
.The "lefties" up the pub are more of the "all bosses are b
ds" type than metropolitan elites - if don4l were to try his "wind up the lefties" shtick there I'd pay to watch .Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff