Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
Supreme Court hearing has started.
Pretty much first off the bat Lord Neuberger explained that the justices had invited all the parties to say whether they wished any of the justices to stand down and not hear the case, given the press reports of potential EU sympathies.
No party - the Govt included - has objected to any justice hearing the appeal.
/discussion
Pretty much first off the bat Lord Neuberger explained that the justices had invited all the parties to say whether they wished any of the justices to stand down and not hear the case, given the press reports of potential EU sympathies.
No party - the Govt included - has objected to any justice hearing the appeal.
/discussion
AW111 said:
alfie2244 said:
I was there so does this count as meeting a "so called racist" person that led a racist party ?
Please tell me how it compares with what the other parties say about racism....Oz gets a mention
https://youtu.be/pHAqYmHFH_Q
eta Don't suppose many of the detractors / accusers will actually watch it all.
That does not answer my question. Please tell me how it compares with what the other parties say about racism....Oz gets a mention
https://youtu.be/pHAqYmHFH_Q
eta Don't suppose many of the detractors / accusers will actually watch it all.
I am not playing the "person x is/isn't a racist" game, I am asking if anyone knows / has met a racist who considered themself a racist.
re Derek's post, I do know someone who finds the idea of homosexualty disagreeable and "wrong", although he disapproves strongly of discrimination based on sexual preferences - in his words "this probably makes me homophobic".
What did you think of the video btw?
eta I forgot......when selling a house about 6 yrs ago the neighbour (of Asian descent)...offered to pay an extra £5k over and above any offer we received from a potential purchaser, that he seen viewing,from a similar but slightly different, Asian descent. so YES I have met someone that made no secret about being a racist....but must confess I did not feel able to challenge him on this.
Some interesting and well made points here IMO:
"Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
"Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
alfie2244 said:
Some interesting and well made points here IMO:
"Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
Indeed - I've already posted that link. I doubt anyone will want to comment on it though. "Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
Say they do. So what?
I was just wondering if elysium thought they did. Which was answered very well. 
Hence "nice swerve".
It's really that simple.
Greg66 said:
bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
Say they do. So what?
I was just wondering if elysium thought they did. Which was answered very well. Hence "nice swerve".
It's really that simple.
Not everyone has a hidden agenda behind their questions and comments you know.
bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
bmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
Say they do. So what?
I was just wondering if elysium thought they did. Which was answered very well. Hence "nice swerve".
It's really that simple.
Not everyone has a hidden agenda behind their questions and comments you know.
The premise was:
bmw535i said:
Do you think any immigrants hold racist views towards British people?
So why does it matter to anyone or anything if some immigrants hold racist views towards British people (or, for that matter, what a particular poster's experience has been on that score)? That's the question for you, which as far as I can see you've declined to address. If you don't want to, fine, say so. But don't claim that you have when you haven't. bmw535i said:
alfie2244 said:
Some interesting and well made points here IMO:
"Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
Indeed - I've already posted that link. I doubt anyone will want to comment on it though. "Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38200989
I agree with her. A lack of understanding of racism has led the majority to stop legitimate debate in case it causes offence.
Trevor Phillips has tried to talk about this, as did Jack Straw some years ago when he talked about asking a Muslim women to remove her veil in his surgery. We should be open about what racism is and brave enough to talk about big issues.
Greg66 said:
So why does it matter to anyone or anything if some immigrants hold racist views towards British people (or, for that matter, what a particular poster's experience has been on that score)? That's the question for you, which as far as I can see you've declined to address. If you don't want to, fine, say so. But don't claim that you have when you haven't.
You seem to suggest I shouldn't have asked the question. Like i said, I was just wondering. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry if it caused you any offencebmw535i said:
Greg66 said:
So why does it matter to anyone or anything if some immigrants hold racist views towards British people (or, for that matter, what a particular poster's experience has been on that score)? That's the question for you, which as far as I can see you've declined to address. If you don't want to, fine, say so. But don't claim that you have when you haven't.
You seem to suggest I shouldn't have asked the question. Like i said, I was just wondering. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry if it caused you any offenceElysium said:
Not sure why you think that?
I agree with her. A lack of understanding of racism has led the majority to stop legitimate debate in case it causes offence.
Trevor Phillips has tried to talk about this, as did Jack Straw some years ago when he talked about asking a Muslim women to remove her veil in his surgery. We should be open about what racism is and brave enough to talk about big issues.
I meant some less sensible posters may dismiss it and possibly consider it racism in itself.I agree with her. A lack of understanding of racism has led the majority to stop legitimate debate in case it causes offence.
Trevor Phillips has tried to talk about this, as did Jack Straw some years ago when he talked about asking a Muslim women to remove her veil in his surgery. We should be open about what racism is and brave enough to talk about big issues.
A common sense approach is helpful which seems to be advocated in her message. I see a lot of things stifled on here by shouts of racism which becomes a bit tedious.
Greg66 said:
B'stard Child said:
768 said:
These are cheerleaders
This is 768 and myself at the last PH do we attended
As you can see there are fundamental differences
Edited to add - If 768 wants me to take down the picture of him I will of course do so
Edited by B'stard Child on Monday 5th December 14:46
Greg66 said:
So why does it matter to anyone or anything if some immigrants hold racist views towards British people (or, for that matter, what a particular poster's experience has been on that score)? That's the question for you, which as far as I can see you've declined to address. If you don't want to, fine, say so. But don't claim that you have when you haven't.
Most of us agreed, 30-40 years ago, that racism isn't a good thing.The fact that you seem to think that the origin of the racism is important is a bit odd.
B'stard Child said:
Hmmm - I think you have comprehension issues
These are cheerleaders
This is 768 and myself at the last PH do we attended
As you can see there are fundamental differences
Edited to add - If 768 wants me to take down the picture of him I will of course do so
Lol! Yes, I see the difference now. These are cheerleaders
This is 768 and myself at the last PH do we attended
As you can see there are fundamental differences
Edited to add - If 768 wants me to take down the picture of him I will of course do so
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 5th December 14:46
You and 768 don't wear matching uniforms.
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