Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[don'tbesilly]

///ajd said:

Greg66 said:

No, I haven't suggested that at all. But your deflection is now becoming a bit obvious, don't you think?

LOL. I know exactly what you're getting at.

Geez,just as I thought we'd reached an impasse, up pops the most divisive character on the www.

[B'stard Child]

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

don'tbesilly said:

Have we had a verdict yet?

Or are the judges still out?

Of course not - why do you think we are twiddling our thumbs trying to keep the thread going with daft pics and posts

I thought you were with the programme - I'm now thinking a re-boot maybe needed

I was referring to the 1950's witch hunt against the closet racists on the forum.

It seems that using the acronym *UKIP, or the surnames *Farage or *Nuttall immediately confers guilt on the poster responsible for committing such a heinous act.

I was hoping to get a verdict at least, but am disappointed.

• UKIP-Never voted for them. *Farage/*Nuttall - Never really paid much attention.

Ohhhh Sorry - I've never voted UKIP either and whilst I have a level of admiration for Farage's one man campaign to leave I think he is a bit of dick. Nuttalls is more of the same without the admiration for achieving anything!









The other thing - that's never going to end

[B'stard Child]

don'tbesilly said:

///ajd said:

Greg66 said:

No, I haven't suggested that at all. But your deflection is now becoming a bit obvious, don't you think?

LOL. I know exactly what you're getting at.

Geez,just as I thought we'd reached an impasse, up pops the most divisive character on the www.

And as usual something is left unanswered..........

[don'tbesilly]

FiF said:

B'stard Child said:

williamp said:

speaking of cheerleaders and politics, we cant NOT have a picture of the gorgeous katie Hopkins and some cheerleaders when she was arguing for a Trump win

Yes		Yes
Yes	Not even with yours	Yes
Yes		Yes

Yes		No
No	Not even with BSR's	Yes
Yes		No

I wouldn't discount Katie Hopkins.

Apparently she's rampant whilst bent over a five bar gate, the noise made is a dj mix of a cow and a sheep allegedly

Techiedave has a lot to learn

[///ajd]

B'stard Child said:

And as usual something is left unanswered..........

What question is that - is this the "did I think there was anything good about leave" question? Is that it?

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

Have we had a verdict yet?

Or are the judges still out?

Four day hearing. So it would be a little abrupt to have given their verdict at the end of day one.

[///ajd]

Greg66 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Have we had a verdict yet?

Or are the judges still out?

Four day hearing. So it would be a little abrupt to have given their verdict at the end of day one.

They won't announce it until Jan either - they don't want to spoil brexiteers Christmas.

[B'stard Child]

///ajd said:

B'stard Child said:

And as usual something is left unanswered..........

What question is that - is this the "did I think there was anything good about leave" question? Is that it?

In "your" list of pros and cons regarding the referendum were there any pros for leave - yep that's the question asked

[don'tbesilly]

Greg66 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Have we had a verdict yet?

Or are the judges still out?

Four day hearing. So it would be a little abrupt to have given their verdict at the end of day one.

Thanks Greg, I did know that, the question was answered earlier, you missed it.

[///ajd]

B'stard Child said:

///ajd said:

B'stard Child said:

And as usual something is left unanswered..........

What question is that - is this the "did I think there was anything good about leave" question? Is that it?

In "your" list of pros and cons regarding the referendum were there any pros for leave - yep that's the question asked

You won't be massively surprised that I struggle to find any benefits of Brexit:

Political : No, better off in, part of Europe, with influence, plus our ability to influence the EU plays into our influence of the US, amongst others. Furthermore, the tory government who (stupid referendum aside) were not doing a bad job - moderate/steady on the economy etc. have been replaced by dictatorial right wingers who threaten to make such a mess of brexit than even Corbyn might get in. There is nothing good here. A Corbyn government would be a disaster - I always thought him completely unelectable, but brexit could be such a shambles people (ironically) will just demand change!

Economic / trade : No, even if we stay in the SM, our influence over EU direction will be limited and we may be unable to prevent/protect ourselves from changes driven by the EU that adversely affect our our economy. If we leave the SM we may impact our GDP severely and directly through loss of business migrating to SM. There are potentially benefits of being able to negotiate trade deals if we leave the external tariff, but I've yet to see a convincing case that outweighs the negatives of leaving the SM. I find the "new trade deal" argument very unconvincing, but its true this gives more freedom. The free trade discussions with India are linked to FMOL though......

Immigration : FMOL is something I've taken benefit from, so want to see it continue as a right for myself and my kids. I have no real issue with immigration in the UK. Most of the significant integration issues seems to stem from religions related to non-EU nations - not that I'm saying the challenges in this area are a reason to block it. The scale of non-EU immigration (higher than from EU) suggests we will still let a lot of immigrants in anyway for work reasons, even if we have "control". We need them, and we benefit from them. Brexit only risks implementing hugely expensive further controls and thousands of civil servants to maybe reduce immigration by a few percent.

Sovereignty : We already have this as we are now proving on a day to day basis. I can't think of any EU law that we should repeal - or at least I can't think of any that the UK H&S & red tape mafia wouldn't impose on the UK in any case.

Currency: errm.

Wage inequality: There maybe a very slight improvement in low paid wages, but I consider this will be outwieghed by the general negative impact on GDP, and the ability of the UK to fund services. Hence less NHS etc. leaving everyone worse off, even with an e.g. 0.5% increase in low skilled wages.

Etc.

Any other perspectives that from your list of 273 reasons that you think will make me see a positive?

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

You won't be massively surprised that I struggle to find any benefits of Brexit:

Political : No, better off in, part of Europe, with influence, plus our ability to influence the EU plays into our influence of the US, amongst others. Furthermore, the tory government who (stupid referendum aside) were not doing a bad job - moderate/steady on the economy etc. have been replaced by dictatorial right wingers who threaten to make such a mess of brexit than even Corbyn might get in. There is nothing good here. A Corbyn government would be a disaster - I always thought him completely unelectable, but brexit could be such a shambles people (ironically) will just demand change!

Economic / trade : No, even if we stay in the SM, our influence over EU direction will be limited and we may be unable to prevent/protect ourselves from changes driven by the EU that adversely affect our our economy. If we leave the SM we may impact our GDP severely and directly through loss of business migrating to SM. There are potentially benefits of being able to negotiate trade deals if we leave the external tariff, but I've yet to see a convincing case that outweighs the negatives of leaving the SM. I find the "new trade deal" argument very unconvincing, but its true this gives more freedom. The free trade discussions with India are linked to FMOL though......

Immigration : FMOL is something I've taken benefit from, so want to see it continue as a right for myself and my kids. I have no real issue with immigration in the UK. Most of the significant integration issues seems to stem from religions related to non-EU nations - not that I'm saying the challenges in this area are a reason to block it. The scale of non-EU immigration (higher than from EU) suggests we will still let a lot of immigrants in anyway for work reasons, even if we have "control". We need them, and we benefit from them. Brexit only risks implementing hugely expensive further controls and thousands of civil servants to maybe reduce immigration by a few percent.

Sovereignty : We already have this as we are now proving on a day to day basis. I can't think of any EU law that we should repeal - or at least I can't think of any that the UK H&S & red tape mafia wouldn't impose on the UK in any case.

Currency: errm.

Wage inequality: There maybe a very slight improvement in low paid wages, but I consider this will be outwieghed by the general negative impact on GDP, and the ability of the UK to fund services. Hence less NHS etc. leaving everyone worse off, even with an e.g. 0.5% increase in low skilled wages.

Etc.

Any other perspectives that from your list of 273 reasons that you think will make me see a positive?

Oh well, you're going to be pretty disappointed then soon enough.

I don't think anyone really cares whether you see positives to be honest.

[///ajd]

bmw535i said:

///ajd said:

You won't be massively surprised that I struggle to find any benefits of Brexit:

Political : No, better off in, part of Europe, with influence, plus our ability to influence the EU plays into our influence of the US, amongst others. Furthermore, the tory government who (stupid referendum aside) were not doing a bad job - moderate/steady on the economy etc. have been replaced by dictatorial right wingers who threaten to make such a mess of brexit than even Corbyn might get in. There is nothing good here. A Corbyn government would be a disaster - I always thought him completely unelectable, but brexit could be such a shambles people (ironically) will just demand change!

Economic / trade : No, even if we stay in the SM, our influence over EU direction will be limited and we may be unable to prevent/protect ourselves from changes driven by the EU that adversely affect our our economy. If we leave the SM we may impact our GDP severely and directly through loss of business migrating to SM. There are potentially benefits of being able to negotiate trade deals if we leave the external tariff, but I've yet to see a convincing case that outweighs the negatives of leaving the SM. I find the "new trade deal" argument very unconvincing, but its true this gives more freedom. The free trade discussions with India are linked to FMOL though......

Immigration : FMOL is something I've taken benefit from, so want to see it continue as a right for myself and my kids. I have no real issue with immigration in the UK. Most of the significant integration issues seems to stem from religions related to non-EU nations - not that I'm saying the challenges in this area are a reason to block it. The scale of non-EU immigration (higher than from EU) suggests we will still let a lot of immigrants in anyway for work reasons, even if we have "control". We need them, and we benefit from them. Brexit only risks implementing hugely expensive further controls and thousands of civil servants to maybe reduce immigration by a few percent.

Sovereignty : We already have this as we are now proving on a day to day basis. I can't think of any EU law that we should repeal - or at least I can't think of any that the UK H&S & red tape mafia wouldn't impose on the UK in any case.

Currency: errm.

Wage inequality: There maybe a very slight improvement in low paid wages, but I consider this will be outwieghed by the general negative impact on GDP, and the ability of the UK to fund services. Hence less NHS etc. leaving everyone worse off, even with an e.g. 0.5% increase in low skilled wages.

Etc.

Any other perspectives that from your list of 273 reasons that you think will make me see a positive?

Oh well, you're going to be pretty disappointed then soon enough.

I don't think anyone really cares whether you see positives to be honest.

If I'm wrong about all the above, I'll be happy!

So like you say, I'll be pretty disappointed soon enough.

Its a clusterfck, isn't it!

[Einion Yrth]

///ajd said:

Greg66 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Have we had a verdict yet?

Or are the judges still out?

Four day hearing. So it would be a little abrupt to have given their verdict at the end of day one.

They won't announce it until Jan either - they don't want to spoil brexiteers Christmas.

Personally I'd rather it had been brought as a Bill before the house, rather than the pointless, and expensive, legal wrangling that we are seeing. I don't see it voted down, it would be political suicide for far too many of the thieves.

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

If I'm wrong about all the above, I'll be happy!

So like you say, I'll be pretty disappointed soon enough.

Its a clusterfck, isn't it!

No, I can't wait. It's all good.

[anonymous-user]

Einion Yrth said:

Personally I'd rather it had been brought as a Bill before the house, rather than the pointless, and expensive, legal wrangling that we are seeing. I don't see it voted down, it would be political suicide for far too many of the thieves.

Indeed. It's going to happen one way or another. Most people realise that.

[don'tbesilly]

Einion Yrth said:

///ajd said:

Greg66 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Have we had a verdict yet?

Or are the judges still out?

Four day hearing. So it would be a little abrupt to have given their verdict at the end of day one.

They won't announce it until Jan either - they don't want to spoil brexiteers Christmas.

Personally I'd rather it had been brought as a Bill before the house, rather than the pointless, and expensive, legal wrangling that we are seeing. I don't see it voted down, it would be political suicide for far too many of the thieves.

I wasn't referring to the Supreme court hearing, however I agree with what you've stated.

[B'stard Child]

///ajd said:

B'stard Child said:

///ajd said:

B'stard Child said:

And as usual something is left unanswered..........

What question is that - is this the "did I think there was anything good about leave" question? Is that it?

In "your" list of pros and cons regarding the referendum were there any pros for leave - yep that's the question asked

You won't be massively surprised that I struggle to find any benefits of Brexit:

Political : No, better off in, part of Europe, with influence, plus our ability to influence the EU plays into our influence of the US, amongst others. Furthermore, the tory government who (stupid referendum aside) were not doing a bad job - moderate/steady on the economy etc. have been replaced by dictatorial right wingers who threaten to make such a mess of brexit than even Corbyn might get in. There is nothing good here. A Corbyn government would be a disaster - I always thought him completely unelectable, but brexit could be such a shambles people (ironically) will just demand change!

Economic / trade : No, even if we stay in the SM, our influence over EU direction will be limited and we may be unable to prevent/protect ourselves from changes driven by the EU that adversely affect our our economy. If we leave the SM we may impact our GDP severely and directly through loss of business migrating to SM. There are potentially benefits of being able to negotiate trade deals if we leave the external tariff, but I've yet to see a convincing case that outweighs the negatives of leaving the SM. I find the "new trade deal" argument very unconvincing, but its true this gives more freedom. The free trade discussions with India are linked to FMOL though......

Immigration : FMOL is something I've taken benefit from, so want to see it continue as a right for myself and my kids. I have no real issue with immigration in the UK. Most of the significant integration issues seems to stem from religions related to non-EU nations - not that I'm saying the challenges in this area are a reason to block it. The scale of non-EU immigration (higher than from EU) suggests we will still let a lot of immigrants in anyway for work reasons, even if we have "control". We need them, and we benefit from them. Brexit only risks implementing hugely expensive further controls and thousands of civil servants to maybe reduce immigration by a few percent.

Sovereignty : We already have this as we are now proving on a day to day basis. I can't think of any EU law that we should repeal - or at least I can't think of any that the UK H&S & red tape mafia wouldn't impose on the UK in any case.

Currency: errm.

Wage inequality: There maybe a very slight improvement in low paid wages, but I consider this will be outwieghed by the general negative impact on GDP, and the ability of the UK to fund services. Hence less NHS etc. leaving everyone worse off, even with an e.g. 0.5% increase in low skilled wages.

Etc.

I said it wasn't a trick question so I won't make it into one - thanks for your reply

///ajd said:

Any other perspectives that from your list of 273 reasons that you think will make me see a positive?

I've only done 9 so far - I'll keep chucking them in as they become relevant to the conversation

[p1stonhead]

bmw535i said:

///ajd said:

If I'm wrong about all the above, I'll be happy!

So like you say, I'll be pretty disappointed soon enough.

Its a clusterfck, isn't it!

No, I can't wait. It's all good.

Not trying to be antagonistic but what exactly can't you wait for? There isn't a plan for what Brexit means yet.

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

Not trying to be antagonistic but what exactly can't you wait for? There isn't a plan for what Brexit means yet.

To leave the EU.

[B'stard Child]

p1stonhead said:

bmw535i said:

///ajd said:

If I'm wrong about all the above, I'll be happy!

So like you say, I'll be pretty disappointed soon enough.

Its a clusterfck, isn't it!

No, I can't wait. It's all good.

Not trying to be antagonistic but what exactly can't you wait for? There isn't a plan for what Brexit means yet.

I'm not expecting a plan - I'm expecting the Government to have a clear list of target areas where agreement is important. I'm not sure we need a [baldrick]cunning plan[/baldrick] or even that one would even work - it's going to be a big game of poker in some respects