Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
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Andy Burnham the first labour mp to actually understand where the left is going wrong on the immigration debate?
Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
Greg66 said:
Perhaps it is time to elect our journalists. Who do these unelected so-called "journalists" think they are?
another old white man preparing to judge everyone"The mysterious ‘international gift-giver’, who is a billionaire from running an overnight courier firm, will decide whether the entire population has been good or evil. Those who have stuck to his rules, which have never been clearly defined, receive rewards."
SmoothCriminal said:
Jimboka said:
jsf said:
Anna Soubry looked like her head was about to explode on Newsnight post the vote. She looks on the brink of a breakdown.
One of the few MPs with principles, representing her electorate
Murph7355 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Jimboka said:
jsf said:
Anna Soubry looked like her head was about to explode on Newsnight post the vote. She looks on the brink of a breakdown.
One of the few MPs with principles, representing her electorateIn fact you could add the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th placed candidates votes on top of hers and leave still got more votes.
Hopefully she will be out of a job come 2020.
skahigh said:
Andy Burnham the first labour mp to actually understand where the left is going wrong on the immigration debate?
Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
Flipineck. Stop press. Penny finally drops for Labour MP.Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
Only another few hundred policies to go.
skahigh said:
Andy Burnham the first labour mp to actually understand where the left is going wrong on the immigration debate?
Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
"It is time to move beyond the re-running of the referendum arguments and accept what people are voting for,” he said.Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
Absolutely - I've said this several times in this thread which has essentially been a load of deranged, naive, hopelessly blinkered and arrogant remain voters getting laughed at by leave voters as they try to understand why it happened.
One, guess who, even said he'd continue campaigning indefinitely until the result was overturned. Moron.
skahigh said:
Andy Burnham the first labour mp to actually understand where the left is going wrong on the immigration debate?
Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
Electioneering I would say.Think someone has finally got it.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-par...
He could have said his views many years prior, he just so happens to be standing for Mayor for Greater Manchester...
jsf said:
///ajd said:
It was predictable what the content would be, but I thought what the hell, lets take a look. Yep, same old Guardian garbage.hyphen said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
It was predictable what the content would be, but I thought what the hell, lets take a look. Yep, same old Guardian garbage."However Bradford was later partially swayed by a picture of everyone in the Guardian newsroom looking clever in their spectacles."
Ken Clarke is wrong on this, he's been wrong on most things for the last 10 years.
However, he does at least have a principled position for voting against Brexit; he voted against the referendum bill.
Soubry voted to hold the national referendum, so should now be voting to support the national result. She chose to delegate the decision.
I assumed given her hubris she was at least representing a remain-voting constituency, but what an absolute tosser! I doubt she'll be campaigning for an early General Election!
However, he does at least have a principled position for voting against Brexit; he voted against the referendum bill.
Soubry voted to hold the national referendum, so should now be voting to support the national result. She chose to delegate the decision.
I assumed given her hubris she was at least representing a remain-voting constituency, but what an absolute tosser! I doubt she'll be campaigning for an early General Election!
paulrockliffe said:
I assumed given her hubris she was at least representing a remain-voting constituency, but what an absolute tosser! I doubt she'll be campaigning for an early General Election!
The Referendum was run by Local Authority rather than Constituency but I get what you mean.Jimboka said:
Indeed. LDs will gain a load of seats due to the fact that they represent 48%+ of the population as regards Brexit (giving the Conservatives a hiding in Richmond for starters)
Technically, they didn't, as the Conservatives did not put up a candidate.The problem for the LibDems is that the majority of the seats they lost last time out are in pro-Leave areas. There are some London seats which are pro-Remain but many are in the South West etc. so is likely to lose them as many votes as it may gain.
If they've won in Sleaford and Hykeham on Friday morning then that may change the picture.
Jockman said:
hyphen said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
It was predictable what the content would be, but I thought what the hell, lets take a look. Yep, same old Guardian garbage."However Bradford was later partially swayed by a picture of everyone in the Guardian newsroom looking clever in their spectacles."
Meanwhile the EU is saying its 300m euro, 61 million over budget by the way, new building in Brussels made out of recycled window frames will bring joy in angry times. Almost as out of touch as Ken Clarke and Jimboka et al.
FiF said:
Jockman said:
hyphen said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
It was predictable what the content would be, but I thought what the hell, lets take a look. Yep, same old Guardian garbage."However Bradford was later partially swayed by a picture of everyone in the Guardian newsroom looking clever in their spectacles."
Meanwhile the EU is saying its 300m euro, 61 million over budget by the way, new building in Brussels made out of recycled window frames will bring joy in angry times. Almost as out of touch as Ken Clarke and Jimboka et al.
paulrockliffe said:
Soubry voted to hold the national referendum, so should now be voting to support the national result. She chose to delegate the decision.
Any of the MP's currently opposing leaving the EU who voted for the referendum bill should get a metaphysical kick up the backside. They knew what it would mean if the vote was for leave. It was perfectly clear when debated in the Commons exactly what the referendum meant. It was handing over the decision to the public.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2015-06-09/d...
Yes, legally it's "advisory" but Jacob Rees-Mogg makes the point about that better than I could!
I have some sympathy for the viewpoint of "we shouldn't have had the referendum in the first place" (although I disagree) but those not wanting to leave had their chance to stop it.
Fastdruid said:
They knew what it would mean if the vote was for leave. It was perfectly clear when debated in the Commons exactly what the referendum meant. It was handing over the decision to the public.
I have some sympathy for the viewpoint of "we shouldn't have had the referendum in the first place" (although I disagree) but those not wanting to leave had their chance to stop it.
Is this true? I cant remember how the referendum came about but my recollection is that it was simply Cameron who decided it as a vote winner.I have some sympathy for the viewpoint of "we shouldn't have had the referendum in the first place" (although I disagree) but those not wanting to leave had their chance to stop it.
This insinuation that all the MPs agreed with the referendum therefor should accept the result is not how my memory has it.
blindswelledrat said:
Fastdruid said:
They knew what it would mean if the vote was for leave. It was perfectly clear when debated in the Commons exactly what the referendum meant. It was handing over the decision to the public.
I have some sympathy for the viewpoint of "we shouldn't have had the referendum in the first place" (although I disagree) but those not wanting to leave had their chance to stop it.
Is this true? I cant remember how the referendum came about but my recollection is that it was simply Cameron who decided it as a vote winner.I have some sympathy for the viewpoint of "we shouldn't have had the referendum in the first place" (although I disagree) but those not wanting to leave had their chance to stop it.
This insinuation that all the MPs agreed with the referendum therefor should accept the result is not how my memory has it.
EDIT: How it came about is something totally different (and irrelevant).
Edited by Fastdruid on Thursday 8th December 10:09
FiF said:
WATCH: The onslaught continues as Jacob Rees-Mogg accuses Remoaners of "rejecting our employers, bosses, liege lords - the British people." https://t.co/vL9A2Kv5RD
That was a cracking speech.Thanks for sharing.
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