Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[768]

I'm not sure any of that lot have ever had a valid point. Let alone all of them at the same time.

The only point they have is that the EU is overly bureaucratic, so it stands to reason that the further out of it we are the better.

[don4l]

768 said:

///ajd said:

Freedom to have more red tape.....?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/11/u...

Says organisation backed by Anna Soubry, Nick Clegg, Chuka Umunna and Ed Miliband.

Article said:

According to Open Britain, which has support from remain MPs in the three main Westminster parties, customs data shows that last year the UK made 70.5m import declarations and 6.5m export declarations over trade in non-EU goods.

What are these "import declarations" of which they speak? I've never made one.

What are these "export declarations" of which they speak? Oddly, I've never made one of those either.

That article is complete BS.

[///ajd]

don4l said:

768 said:

///ajd said:

Freedom to have more red tape.....?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/11/u...

Says organisation backed by Anna Soubry, Nick Clegg, Chuka Umunna and Ed Miliband.

Article said:

According to Open Britain, which has support from remain MPs in the three main Westminster parties, customs data shows that last year the UK made 70.5m import declarations and 6.5m export declarations over trade in non-EU goods.

What are these "import declarations" of which they speak? I've never made one.

What are these "export declarations" of which they speak? Oddly, I've never made one of those either.

That article is complete BS.

Are you exempt from these national regulations then? If so, why?

Or are you just ignoring HMRC rules?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-goods-from-t...

[don'tbesilly]

Abbott gets her backside dished up on a plate by Robinson RE:By- election and FM on the Marr Show (regular occurrence for Abbott!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgLGg4Q0bBM

Abbott's mauling on the 4th Dec by Neil, again on FM (4.48 on).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5vyzPsSxkI

[Deptford Draylons]

The last time you quoted an Open Britain article it's was their propaganda video the Andrew Neil did so well to shred and humiliate their spokesman with on their SM claims of leading Leave people. Another example of something you refused to comment on when asked, not unlike the Nissan posts you refuse to comment on, which is odd given your faux outrage act on PH about people spreading false info.

For those unaware, Open Britain is Vote Leave having had a name change after they lost the referendum.

[don'tbesilly]

Deptford Draylons said:

The last time you quoted an Open Britain article it's was their propaganda video the Andrew Neil did so well to shred and humiliate their spokesman with on their SM claims of leading Leave people. Another example of something you refused to comment on when asked, not unlike the Nissan posts you refuse to comment on, which is odd given your faux outrage act on PH about people spreading false info.

For those unaware, Open Britain is Vote Leave having had a name change after they lost the referendum.

You must mean that other car crash interview where Neil humiliated the tt James McGrory.

Comedy gold

Worth another watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzmCHcM7cA

[don4l]

///ajd said:

don4l said:

768 said:

///ajd said:

Freedom to have more red tape.....?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/11/u...

Says organisation backed by Anna Soubry, Nick Clegg, Chuka Umunna and Ed Miliband.

Article said:

According to Open Britain, which has support from remain MPs in the three main Westminster parties, customs data shows that last year the UK made 70.5m import declarations and 6.5m export declarations over trade in non-EU goods.

What are these "import declarations" of which they speak? I've never made one.

What are these "export declarations" of which they speak? Oddly, I've never made one of those either.

That article is complete BS.

Are you exempt from these national regulations then? If so, why?

Or are you just ignoring HMRC rules?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-goods-from-t...

You are not involved with international trade, are you?

Since 1992 I have had one shipment delayed because we didn't have an export license. It was a shipment to Turkey about 18 months ago which involved high technology. I suspect that the problems in the Middle East were the cause of the problem.

HMRC enforce their rules. If I was doing anything that they didn't approve of I would find out very quickly. They do have fairly tight control over imports and exports.

Trust me, that article is utter rubbish. In practise, you only need a license to export stuff to places that are not considered "friendly".

Back in the 1990's we had a customer in the Ukraine. We never had a problem selling them Hi-Tech kit.

[don'tbesilly]

Deptford Draylons said:

The last time you quoted an Open Britain article it's was their propaganda video the Andrew Neil did so well to shred and humiliate their spokesman with on their SM claims of leading Leave people. Another example of something you refused to comment on when asked, not unlike the Nissan posts you refuse to comment on, which is odd given your faux outrage act on PH about people spreading false info.

For those unaware, Open Britain is Vote Leave having had a name change after they lost the referendum.

From the 30th Oct.

///ajd said:

One point that came up on Marr was that Govt subsidy of tariffs is illegal even under WTO rules, and Clark seemed to agree on this point.

There was discussion on other incentives - including UK funded training and even it seems buying land for SMEs to relocate to (presumably near the factory).

Either the implied promise is that we will get tariff free access (and poss customs union like Turkey) via a UK-EU deal, or that Ghosn is not that bothered about tariffs and customs, perhaps if he gets other incentives.

[don4l]

don'tbesilly said:

You must mean that other car crash interview where Neil humiliated the tt James McGrory.

Comedy gold

Worth another watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzmCHcM7cA

I watched it last week.

You are absolutely correct. It is well worth watching again.

Project Fear exposed for the bunch of lies that it was built on.

McGrory comes across as a mature version of ajd.

[davepoth]

///ajd said:

We should be asking - do they have a valid concern/point?

And if they do, is it worth protecting?

It seems reasonably obvious to me that it is.

No, they have no valid point - but not for the reason you might think.

Leaving the EU but remaining in the customs union is the "Turkish" model. Here's the HMRC rules for trading with Turkey.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-...

An export declaration and (in most cases) an A.TR certificate are required, and for exporting foodstuffs to Turkey health certification is required. Staying in the Customs union would result in no less export paperwork than a hard Brexit as far as I can tell, and my day job is working out how much export paperwork is required for various things.

So, while there will be extra paperwork as a result of leaving the EU, staying in the customs union doesn't change that. Neither for that matter does remaining in the EEA. Any solution other than being a full member of the EU will result in more or less a full set of export documents being required, the only difference being in what preferential origin documentation is required.

[///ajd]

don4l said:

What are these "export declarations" of which they speak? Oddly, I've never made one of those either.

That article is complete BS.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-goods-from-the-eu-to-a-third-country-outside-the-eu

You asked about export declarations Don. Who mentioned licenses? Only you to deflect, as usual.

Keep reading Don:

Export declarations
When you transport goods out of the EU with the intent to permanently export those goods, you must first submit an electronic export declaration via the NES, part of HMRC’s Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight (CHIEF) system. Exceptionally, a paper export declaration known as a C88/ESS may be used for, for example, commercial goods carried in a passenger’s accompanied baggage or vehicle (Merchandise in Baggage). Goods can be exported as direct or indirect exports out of the EU. Indirect exports (being those moving from the UK but exiting in another member state must be accompanied by an Export Accompanying Document (EAD)).

You’re not generally required to complete an export declaration for goods being sold within the EU.


And listen carefully to what Hannan says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

Andrew Neil might have picked him up on selective editing, but they are things they said.

[Deptford Draylons]

don'tbesilly said:

You must mean that other car crash interview where Neil humiliated the tt James McGrory.

Comedy gold

Worth another watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzmCHcM7cA

That's the one. Even with change of name, the bullstting remains the same. The savaging was only made funnier knowing ///and was on his knees and open mouthed here readily wanting to swallow it down no questions asked.

[don4l]

///ajd said:

You asked about export declarations Don. Who mentioned licenses? Only you to deflect, as usual.

Keep reading Don:

Export declarations
When you transport goods out of the EU with the intent to permanently export those goods, you must first submit an electronic export declaration via the NES, part of HMRC’s Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight (CHIEF) system. Exceptionally, a paper export declaration known as a C88/ESS may be used for, for example, commercial goods carried in a passenger’s accompanied baggage or vehicle (Merchandise in Baggage). Goods can be exported as direct or indirect exports out of the EU. Indirect exports (being those moving from the UK but exiting in another member state must be accompanied by an Export Accompanying Document (EAD)).

You’re not generally required to complete an export declaration for goods being sold within the EU.


And listen carefully to what Hannan says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

Andrew Neil might have picked him up on selective editing, but they are things they said.

As I said before, you clearly have no experience at all of importing or exporting.

The bit that I have highlighted is utter BS.

I've never even heard of the CHIEF system.

[///ajd]

davepoth said:

So, while there will be extra paperwork as a result of leaving the EU, staying in the customs union doesn't change that. Neither for that matter does remaining in the EEA. Any solution other than being a full member of the EU will result in more or less a full set of export documents being required, the only difference being in what preferential origin documentation is required.

Thanks, so it is true then.

The format of our relationship with the EU on trade is negotiable - why would it not be?

We want a red white and blue brexit, remember?

Aim high, don't talk down our nations crack negotiation team.....

[Funkycoldribena]

Soubry and Clegg,now there's a hideous, despicable combination.
Amazing what lengths these vile people will go to overturn democracy.

[don4l]

davepoth said:

So, while there will be extra paperwork as a result of leaving the EU, staying in the customs union doesn't change that. Neither for that matter does remaining in the EEA. Any solution other than being a full member of the EU will result in more or less a full set of export documents being required, the only difference being in what preferential origin documentation is required.

May I enquire about the goods that you export?

I don't need to provide any special paperwork with anything that I export... apart from 5 signed copies of the invoice.

[Jockman]

Deptford Draylons said:

The last time you quoted an Open Britain article it's was their propaganda video the Andrew Neil did so well to shred and humiliate their spokesman with on their SM claims of leading Leave people. Another example of something you refused to comment on when asked, not unlike the Nissan posts you refuse to comment on, which is odd given your faux outrage act on PH about people spreading false info.

For those unaware, Open Britain is Vote Leave having had a name change after they lost the referendum.

Vote Leave didn't lose the Referendum.

[Deptford Draylons]

Jockman said:

Deptford Draylons said:

The last time you quoted an Open Britain article it's was their propaganda video the Andrew Neil did so well to shred and humiliate their spokesman with on their SM claims of leading Leave people. Another example of something you refused to comment on when asked, not unlike the Nissan posts you refuse to comment on, which is odd given your faux outrage act on PH about people spreading false info.

For those unaware, Open Britain is Vote Leave having had a name change after they lost the referendum.

Vote Leave didn't lose the Referendum.

Oops . Should be Open Britain was Vote Remain

[///ajd]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-...

2.18

What are the penalties for failing to comply with export rules and regulations?
The following are examples of non-compliance that may lead to the imposition of Customs Civil Penalty. These penalties range from £250 to £1,000 or £2,500 depending on the type and severity of the contravention:

failing to place goods under the export procedure
failing to lodge an Export Declaration
failing to comply with the terms and conditions laid down in a simplified or local clearance procedure
failing to keep or produce the relevant documents relating to a traders business

[davepoth]

don4l said:

May I enquire about the goods that you export?

I don't need to provide any special paperwork with anything that I export... apart from 5 signed copies of the invoice.

We do "ingredients for the food industry". That requires a certificate of free sale and a health certificate (they can be done annually), the aforementioned A.TR certificate to get preferential treatment of our goods when they arrive in Turkey (an EUR1 is used instead for certain agricultural products, coal, and steel), a certificate showing our internal test results, an invoice and a packing list (the packing list is down to customer preference in the main). We'd also provide a copy of the transport document (generally a CMR since it'll usually be roadfreight) if we organise the freight. Here's the EU guidance for it:

http://madb.europa.eu/madb/datasetPreviewIFpubli.h...

Aside from those documents, we do retain a copy of the export declaration for all shipments to Turkey to discharge HMRC's requirement for proof of export.