Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[Deptford Draylons]

chris watton said:

KimJongHealthy said:

Funny since the message sent to the world was the exact opposite - we don't want you here, we don't want to trade with you, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

Is that really the message, or is that what the remoaners want people to believe, so push this message themselves?

Ignore the 6 month old same old moan and BS, I was only surprised he didn't say that remainer favorite of 'little Englanders' too.

[alfie2244]

KimJongHealthy said:

Funny since the message sent to the world was the exact opposite - we don't want you here, we don't want to trade with you, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

Reading all that fake news does you no good you know.

[WinstonWolf]

loose cannon said:

Amen close the thread !

But what about Slasher? He's going to have to get a life...

[Tryke3]

Yay another 5 years of this ffs

[don4l]

Tryke3 said:

Yay another 5 years of this ffs

26 months at most.


In 10 weeks we will invoke Article 50. After that there is a maximum of 2 years before we Leave.

[Deptford Draylons]

Its a good day when Tim Farron is upset. He's calling today's speech a " theft of democracy " and a "stitch up ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laok3DZxkvY

[768]

loose cannon said:

Amen close the thread !

And after that, the Lib Dems please. Or at least Tim Farron's mouth.

[PRTVR]

KimJongHealthy said:

alfie2244 said:

KimJongHealthy said:

Funny since the message sent to the world was the exact opposite - we don't want you here, we don't want to trade with you, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

Reading all that fake news does you no good you know.

The only fake thing I see is people living in denial - their goods got more expensive, their holidays got more expensive, they're facing massive job losses as European companies move out of Britain, and yet they still won't face the reality. The confirmation bias is strong with you.

But that's what we were promised and that's what we voted for, did you miss all the information from the remainers on what would happen if we left ?

[wc98]

KimJongHealthy said:

Turkeys voting for Christmas?

What exactly has Britain got to offer in the Worldwide trade deals? Cars? Nope, we EU companies will move factories to Romania or Poland. Heavy industry? Nope, China does it cheaper. High-tech? Not really. Science? Half of it relies on cooperation with EU scientists and students.

Overcooked soggy chips exported to Spain?

millenial are we ? not really understand how this self governance works ? watch and learn

[Fastdruid]

KimJongHealthy said:

I can picture the negotiations already:

Left corner - UK, alone, with some incompetent moron in charge of the process
Right corner - 27 countries with experienced negotiators, huge economies, banking, manufacturing and trading behind them.


UK: We won't pay you anything or be the part of the common market, but you have to buy stuff from us without any duty and let our citizens travel freely across Europe
UE: Nope.
UK: But you have to!
EU: Or what?

Or we bugger off with our banking and raise all the tariffs so that effectively we stop buying anything from you. Germany, France etc lose a big chunk of exports and the Eurozone falls over. It's the economic version of MAD.

Despite the spin from many parties it is in no one's (except the remainers who think a st deal will change things) interest for there to be an unworkable deal. It will undoubtedly not be as good as the "deal" we had inside but there will be a realistic deal made.

Hopefully what we "lose" in dealing with the SM (because I'm certain even the "best" deal won't be as good as actually being in it) will be made up with by trade elsewhere.

[PRTVR]

KimJongHealthy said:

PRTVR said:

KimJongHealthy said:

alfie2244 said:

KimJongHealthy said:

Funny since the message sent to the world was the exact opposite - we don't want you here, we don't want to trade with you, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

Reading all that fake news does you no good you know.

The only fake thing I see is people living in denial - their goods got more expensive, their holidays got more expensive, they're facing massive job losses as European companies move out of Britain, and yet they still won't face the reality. The confirmation bias is strong with you.

But that's what we were promised and that's what we voted for, did you miss all the information from the remainers on what would happen if we left ?

Turkeys voting for Christmas?

What exactly has Britain got to offer in the Worldwide trade deals? Cars? Nope. High-tech? Nope. Science? Half of it relies on cooperation with EU scientists and students.

Overcooked soggy chips exported to Spain?

Turkeys Christmas ? Nothing of the sort, I was just pointing out that most people were aware that with leaving came costs.
Cars... Oh Nissan is building two new models in sunderland, science is global, cooperation will not stop, what should it ?

[wc98]

KimJongHealthy said:

Old fart who thinks you still have a strong empire you are?

46 (meets my definition of old, derek may disagree ) who thinks the uk needs a good kick up the arse and a resetting of priorities. i am of the love europe , hate eu persuasion and think individual european countries could be in a far better position out of the most corrupt bureaucracy the west has ever seen.

i have a major problem with politicians willing to write of an entire generation of european kids just to try and maintain what is nothing more than a badly managed vanity project .

[Jockman]

wc98 said:

46 (meets my definition of old, derek may disagree )

According to voter breakdown from 23rd June, that does indeed make you 'old'. Me too.

wc98 said:

.... of european kids....

I think you may well be engaging with one of them.

[alfie2244]

KimJongHealthy said:

alfie2244 said:

KimJongHealthy said:

Funny since the message sent to the world was the exact opposite - we don't want you here, we don't want to trade with you, so long, and thanks for all the fish.

Reading all that fake news does you no good you know.

The only fake thing I see is people living in denial - their goods got more expensive, their holidays got more expensive, they're facing massive job losses as European companies move out of Britain, and yet they still won't face the reality.

But don't worry, 27 countries will bend over and give you anything Britain asks for. The confirmation bias is strong with you.

Shame you have so little faith in our country.....you can still go join the United States of Europe if you really think this great country is doomed. Just mind they don't call you up to serve in their planned army.

[JawKnee]

Fastdruid said:

Or we bugger off with our banking and raise all the tariffs so that effectively we stop buying anything from you. Germany, France etc lose a big chunk of exports and the Eurozone falls over. It's the economic version of MAD.

Despite the spin from many parties it is in no one's (except the remainers who think a st deal will change things) interest for there to be an unworkable deal. It will undoubtedly not be as good as the "deal" we had inside but there will be a realistic deal made.

Hopefully what we "lose" in dealing with the SM (because I'm certain even the "best" deal won't be as good as actually being in it) will be made up with by trade elsewhere.

Our banking sector is going to suffer big time if it loses its EU passporting access. The banks and London wanted to remain in the EU, therefore London should secede from the UK. Let the little Englanders fend for themselves without London's tax take. But I suspect swimming alone at sea isn't the kind of freedom that you actually want.

[andymadmak]

Deptford Draylons said:

Its a good day when Tim Farron is upset. He's calling today's speech a " theft of democracy " and a "stitch up ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laok3DZxkvY

A very strange cove is our Timothy. As an Ardent Remainer (AR) you would have thought that Mrs may saying that parliament will vote on the deal would placate him - after all, has it not been the position of those in the AR camp that the Referendum was purely advisory, and that the sovereign will of Parliament was what REALLY counted? ( I remember many smug posts on here from the AR contingent to the effect that if the Referendum was all about sovereignty, then surely nobody who voted exit could complain if Parliament got a vote etc etc)
Now Timothy is saying that if Mrs May does not offer a second Referendum, then THAT would be a theft of democracy / stitch up of the people etc etc...

Can any of you AR bods on here explain what you guys want/expect/think reasonable?

[Mojooo]

alfie2244 said:

So what about these Judges?

Also what happens after the 2 votes in HOL & HOC if they don't agree the deal after negotiations?

The worst the court case could say is that the vote must go to parliament. So this will now side step any judgment that goes against the government.

I doubt HOL or HOL will prevent it because the pressure will be too great and there will be riots on the streets if it does not happen.

[andymadmak]

KimJongHealthy said:

Nissan is building them in Britain for the duty-free access to the EU market.

Guess what's going to happen with Nissan factory when Britain leaves the duty-free common market?

According to recent Nissan announcements it's going to be building more cars here...

[andymadmak]

KimJongHealthy said:

I do share some of your views on bureaucracy and control over individual countries, but so far the EU has proven to work. We haven't had any major conflicts on the continent for nearly 80 years now while keeping Russia under control.

Sure, there's room for some reforms, but at the moment Britain wants to have the cake and eat it. It won't work.

Proved to work at what? Bankrupting southern European states and creating a youth unemployment epidemic there that will have social consequences for the next 50 years?
Are you suggesting that the reason why we have not had war in Europe is because of the EU? Nothing to do with NATO?

Are you suggesting that the reason Russia stepped back from the cold war is because of the EU? - Actually, in what way is the EU "Keeping Russia under control"? Are you not aware of the existence of the USA, NATO, Reagan/Gorbachev?

[Jockman]

andymadmak said:

KimJongHealthy said:

I do share some of your views on bureaucracy and control over individual countries, but so far the EU has proven to work. We haven't had any major conflicts on the continent for nearly 80 years now while keeping Russia under control.

Sure, there's room for some reforms, but at the moment Britain wants to have the cake and eat it. It won't work.

Proved to work at what? Bankrupting southern European states and creating a youth unemployment epidemic there that will have social consequences for the next 50 years?
Are you suggesting that the reason why we have not had war in Europe is because of the EU? Nothing to do with NATO?

Are you suggesting that the reason Russia stepped back from the cold war is because of the EU? - Actually, in what way is the EU "Keeping Russia under control"? Are you not aware of the existence of the USA, NATO, Reagan/Gorbachev?

Didn't Russia just annex part of the Ukraine too ??