Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

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B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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KimJongHealthy said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Nissan is building them in Britain for the duty-free access to the EU market.

Guess what's going to happen with Nissan factory when Britain leaves the duty-free common market?
we don't buy many cars here in the uk look round at all the worn out old heaps , Nah no market for cars apart from
across the channel japan, OZ ,NZ and south africa won't want any either or brazil india USA Canada etc no market for cars outside the EU
Yes our factories will be shut down over nightbyebye
You can sell cakes to 1 person or 27 people? Which would you chose?
I'd want you to show me 27 people who will buy our cakes first!!!! In fact I'd settle for 5. The UK don't make many good cakes - the French have a flair for patisserie why the heck would the UK want to try and beat countries at their own speciality?

Edited for spelling

Edited by B'stard Child on Tuesday 17th January 18:33

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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bmw535i said:
don4l said:
wc98 said:
don4l said:
Brexit apparently means "Brexit".

Who'd a thunk it?
don4l between your share advice post referendum and your prediction of what would happen in relation to the type of brexit , ie leaving single market, i think you should be renamed "mystic don". keep polishing that crystal ball !
You are too kind.
bowtie
I still have no idea why people thought we'd stay in the single market.

Mind you, Jimboka is still adamant we won't be leaving banghead
Don't bang your head - He's very very special - "insert suitable image here" He's growing on me like Jawknee did

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
quotequote all
KimJongHealthy said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Nissan is building them in Britain for the duty-free access to the EU market.

Guess what's going to happen with Nissan factory when Britain leaves the duty-free common market?
we don't buy many cars here in the uk look round at all the worn out old heaps , Nah no market for cars apart from
across the channel japan, OZ ,NZ and south africa won't want any either or brazil india USA Canada etc no market for cars outside the EU
Yes our factories will be shut down over nightbyebye
You can sell cakes to 1 person or 27 people? Which would you chose?

We can sell cakes to 30 people who want cakes but don't make any themselves or we can sell cakes to people who make there own cakes and sell us more than we do !!!
we IMPORT 80% of our cars !!!! fail !!! Next ????
So we import for tunes more than export and you still think that trade restrictions will benefit Britain? I have no words for this stupidity.
I don't even understand what you are trying to say in B

I see your point about trade restrictions but counter argue that

1. We don't know what tariffs or how much if any at all

2. In the event of some tariffs it will the governments choice on what to do regarding that - you are aware of course that 17.5% of the 20% VAT (so 87% of the VAT collected) currently collected goes to the EU and that any tariffs collected from trade with ROW also goes to the EU

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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KimJongHealthy said:
So we import for tunes more than export and you still think that trade restrictions will benefit Britain? I have no words for this stupidity.
What do you think the impact to average cost of living of nothing changes except we move to WTO MFN tariffs? Actual numbers/percentage please, rough estimate is fine...

PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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KimJongHealthy said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Nissan is building them in Britain for the duty-free access to the EU market.

Guess what's going to happen with Nissan factory when Britain leaves the duty-free common market?
we don't buy many cars here in the uk look round at all the worn out old heaps , Nah no market for cars apart from
across the channel japan, OZ ,NZ and south africa won't want any either or brazil india USA Canada etc no market for cars outside the EU
Yes our factories will be shut down over nightbyebye
You can sell cakes to 1 person or 27 people? Which would you chose?

We can sell cakes to 30 people who want cakes but don't make any themselves or we can sell cakes to people who make there own cakes and sell us more than we do !!!
we IMPORT 80% of our cars !!!! fail !!! Next ????
So we import for tunes more than export and you still think that trade restrictions will benefit Britain? I have no words for this stupidity.
This is in the hands of the EU, if they imposed tariffs, European companies will suffer, it's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
quotequote all
B'stard Child said:
bmw535i said:
don4l said:
wc98 said:
don4l said:
Brexit apparently means "Brexit".

Who'd a thunk it?
don4l between your share advice post referendum and your prediction of what would happen in relation to the type of brexit , ie leaving single market, i think you should be renamed "mystic don". keep polishing that crystal ball !
You are too kind.
bowtie
I still have no idea why people thought we'd stay in the single market.

Mind you, Jimboka is still adamant we won't be leaving banghead
Don't bang your head - He's very very special - "insert suitable image here" He's growing on me like Jawknee did
Has Jawknee done a runner? I haven't seen any nonsense from him for some time.


anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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alfie2244 said:
bmw535i said:
I still have no idea why people thought we'd stay in the single market.

Mind you, Jimboka is still adamant we won't be leaving banghead
Where's slasher?
I've no idea, but I've absolutely no doubt that wherever he is, he'll be making a right tit of himself

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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KimJongHealthy said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Nissan is building them in Britain for the duty-free access to the EU market.

Guess what's going to happen with Nissan factory when Britain leaves the duty-free common market?
we don't buy many cars here in the uk look round at all the worn out old heaps , Nah no market for cars apart from
across the channel japan, OZ ,NZ and south africa won't want any either or brazil india USA Canada etc no market for cars outside the EU
Yes our factories will be shut down over nightbyebye
You can sell cakes to 1 person or 27 people? Which would you chose?

We can sell cakes to 30 people who want cakes but don't make any themselves or we can sell cakes to people who make there own cakes and sell us more than we do !!!
we IMPORT 80% of our cars !!!! fail !!! Next ????
So we import for tunes more than export and you still think that trade restrictions will benefit Britain? I have no words for this stupidity.
Are you Nick Clegg ????

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
quotequote all
don4l said:
B'stard Child said:
bmw535i said:
don4l said:
wc98 said:
don4l said:
Brexit apparently means "Brexit".

Who'd a thunk it?
don4l between your share advice post referendum and your prediction of what would happen in relation to the type of brexit , ie leaving single market, i think you should be renamed "mystic don". keep polishing that crystal ball !
You are too kind.
bowtie
I still have no idea why people thought we'd stay in the single market.

Mind you, Jimboka is still adamant we won't be leaving banghead
Don't bang your head - He's very very special - "insert suitable image here" He's growing on me like Jawknee did
Has Jawknee done a runner? I haven't seen any nonsense from him for some time.
Still posts - he has a few select threads that he does hit and run jobs on

This thread earlier this afternoon - surprised you missed that?

"Tresemme" thread yesterday

"Stoke on trent" thread on Sunday

And a few others from memory biggrin

Not stalking - just have him on my mates list biggrin

danllama

5,728 posts

141 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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JawKnee said:
Our banking sector is going to suffer big time if it loses its EU passporting access. The banks and London wanted to remain in the EU, therefore London should secede from the UK. Let the little Englanders fend for themselves without London's tax take. But I suspect swimming alone at sea isn't the kind of freedom that you actually want.
Do you know how stupid that sounds?

I'm a Londoner and I voted brexit. So did millions of others. You don't talk for me.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

173 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Tim Farron is totally off his nut isn't he? His statements today have been bonkers, they will need to rename the party the Anti Democrats at this rate.

I've voted LD in the past but I never would do under his leadership - he is every bit as incompetent as Corbyn and more weird than Ed Miliband IMO.

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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danllama said:
JawKnee said:
Our banking sector is going to suffer big time if it loses its EU passporting access. The banks and London wanted to remain in the EU, therefore London should secede from the UK. Let the little Englanders fend for themselves without London's tax take. But I suspect swimming alone at sea isn't the kind of freedom that you actually want.
Do you know how stupid that sounds?

I'm a Londoner and I voted brexit. So did millions of others. You don't talk for me.
Oh he does.......

He talks for Labour, Corbyn and All Remain supporters and he is never ever ever ever wrong about anything at all.

So please give him both the respect and adoration that his particular viewpoint deserves.










#notinanywayserious

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Freypal

194 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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VolvoT5 said:
Tim Farron is totally off his nut isn't he? His statements today have been bonkers, they will need to rename the party the Anti Democrats at this rate.

I've voted LD in the past but I never would do under his leadership - he is every bit as incompetent as Corbyn and more weird than Ed Miliband IMO.
He reminds me of Nicola Sturgeon

B'stard Child

28,324 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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KimJongHealthy said:
Sway said:
Or you could point to a single manufacturing plant that averages above 98% efficiency. Other than Nissan Sunderland.
I can point out that it's so efficient because it's run by Japanese and employs Polish workers.

Should I remind you what happened to the British motor industry? The bloated, inefficient one, making cars falling apart while still on the assembly line?

Dream on.
Yep - unfortunately that's what happens when Trade Unions think that they run the company and when companies think that they don't need to match the competition and get their st together and make quality products to compete......

very sad.

sanf

673 posts

171 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Nissan is building them in Britain for the duty-free access to the EU market.

Guess what's going to happen with Nissan factory when Britain leaves the duty-free common market?
we don't buy many cars here in the uk look round at all the worn out old heaps , Nah no market for cars apart from
across the channel japan, OZ ,NZ and south africa won't want any either or brazil india USA Canada etc no market for cars outside the EU
Yes our factories will be shut down over nightbyebye
Car Sales EU Financial Year 2015:
1 GERMANY 3,206,042
2 UNITED KINGDOM 2,633,503
3 FRANCE 1,917,226
4 ITALY 1,574,872
5 SPAIN 1,034,232
6 BELGIUM 501,066
7 NETHERLANDS 449,393

The UK is a big market and shouldn't be underestimated. From Poland in 8th with 354k to Cyprus in 27th with 10k car sales - all combined are 2.39m. So playing devils advocate, if we stopped buying any cars from the EU, every country from 8-27 would need to double what they buy to fill the gap.

Taking some home grown examples -

Honda sold 53,417 cars in the UK.
It's biggest EU mainland customer is Germany with 21,074, then Spain with 7,862 (14.72%) of the UK.

Honda European Sales Stats (selected)
Spain 7,862
France 7,091
Italy 4,837
Sweden 3,581
Switzerland 3,345
Finland 2,521
Denmark 2,277
Norway 2,127
Czech 1,796
Portugal 1,635
Ireland 1,507
Netherlands 1,299

All the above is 39,878 74% of the UK. There are countries with cakes/cars etc - however the UK is a big consumer of cars. Angela Merkel is already pushing for the German manufacturers to line up behind the politics, as I suspect they are very aware of how business is likely to push in a different direction.

Business will always look to exploit opportunities - and should we manage to get a deal lined up with the US and the gvt is creative with pricing on tax/VAT for cars built in the UK then our car market could be very different in 10 years, JLR will be eyeing it up with interest.

I am a remainer, not a rabid one, but one that thought it would be best - for a while I've been watching and listening to the government, and they are handling this whole situation well. Everything with the EU is about negotiation, good negotiation involves preparation. Behind the scenes, from a standing start the government are slowly but surely putting together a good team. The position today is the opening slavo - and the correct one, nothing is off the table. Had we been limited in out negotiations then it would have been bad news. However we are now going into them with a full walk away remit if needed. As has been mentioned, it's unlikely the new deal will be anywhere near as good as the current one, however as we'll be doing deals with the whole world now, we can fill that gap.

The EU will I suspect be looking at our relationship with the USA and a potential new deal from Brexit day +1 with a little concern - if it is anything decent we'll have access to 320m people to trade with. In our local Tesco's we have a very small and very expensive USA section - however it always seems to be selling the goods. This is the isle that I expect we'll see a massive increase in - the UK folk like buying US Twinkies, and Lucky Charms, Pop Tarts etc. once they are likely to have less import duty, it will be open season - the US will see the UK supermarkets as a growth area.

The deficit to the EU of goods & services stands around £53bn a year. We actually import £290bn a year of goods from the EU, figures are as high as £320bn. So any imposed tariffs will give the government a very large war chest to do something with - at 10% it would be £29bn income. The government could actually afford to subsidise every exporter and still have £5.3bn left over - and that is before the income from payments no longer being made to the EU are even considered.

The EU will know all of this - which is why negotiations will be long and complex. There are clearly 2 sides to all negotiations, at least today we know the worst case scenario. The EU want to play hard ball, the UK, the worlds 5th biggest economy will walk away, and look to forge new global relationships. Yes it will be tough, yes it will be hard and bumpy ride. Too many people talk this country down, we are resilient and can succeed. I truly hope we do, for all our sakes.


Edited by sanf on Tuesday 17th January 19:59

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
quotequote all
sanf said:
powerstroke said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Nissan is building them in Britain for the duty-free access to the EU market.

Guess what's going to happen with Nissan factory when Britain leaves the duty-free common market?
we don't buy many cars here in the uk look round at all the worn out old heaps , Nah no market for cars apart from
across the channel, japan, OZ ,NZ and south africa won't want any either or brazil india USA Canada etc no market for cars outside the EU
Yes our factories will be shut down over nightbyebye
Financial Year 2015:
1 GERMANY 3,206,042
2 UNITED KINGDOM 2,633,503
3 FRANCE 1,917,226
4 ITALY 1,574,872
5 SPAIN 1,034,232
6 BELGIUM 501,066
7 NETHERLANDS 449,393
how about outside the uk say Japan and the USA etc??

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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KimJongHealthy said:
I can point out that it's so efficient because it's run by Japanese and employs Polish workers.



Edited by KimJongHealthy on Tuesday 17th January 19:21
Which managers running Nissan Sunderland are japanese? For that matter what is the nationality of the man who runs all of Nissan?

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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danllama said:
JawKnee said:
Our banking sector is going to suffer big time if it loses its EU passporting access. The banks and London wanted to remain in the EU, therefore London should secede from the UK. Let the little Englanders fend for themselves without London's tax take. But I suspect swimming alone at sea isn't the kind of freedom that you actually want.
Do you know how stupid that sounds?

I'm a Londoner and I voted brexit. So did millions of others. You don't talk for me.
For once, I agree with Jawknee. I have long supported the idea of a 12 foot wall just inside the M25. Londoners have no empathy with people who live in rural locations, and they shouldn't have a vote about what goes on in the countryside.


Of course, London would elect itself a Labour government, and so would be bankrupt within 10 years.

Sway

26,070 posts

193 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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KimJongHealthy said:
Sway said:
Or you could point to a single manufacturing plant that averages above 98% efficiency. Other than Nissan Sunderland.
I can point out that it's so efficient because it's run by Japanese and employs Polish workers.

Should I remind you what happened to the British motor industry? The bloated, inefficient factories making cars falling apart while still on the assembly line?

Dream on.



Edited by KimJongHealthy on Tuesday 17th January 19:21
You could attribute it to that - although of course not a single Japanese car plant achieved the same... Must be the Poles they're missing out on.

Manufacturing (and service) efficiency is my trade, and I can absolutely assure you that your reasons for NS's efficiency is utter bks.

To be fair, I do agree it's a pity those Poles didn't move to Italy - after all, that one plant up north makes more cars a year than that famous carbuilding nation.

British Leyland was a basket case. Unipart, once separated, has gone from strength to strength - and even sells it's know how through a CI consultancy of it's own. JLR went through a rough patch, but are now going from strength to strength after gaining (non Japanese or Polish) investment.

You're making lots of points, but with clearly very little understanding of the rationales behind them. Which is unfortunate, as virtually every one is incorrect.

Keep talking about "27 enormous economies, with us in the corner". It seems about the right level for your comprehension skills.

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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alfie2244 said:
Little anecdote.

Our 4 yr old had a temper tantrum in Asda...........laid on the floor, stamping feet and making high pitch whingeing noises............Didn't last long once grandad laid beside her and did same.... Nanny spent the rest of the shopping trip 2 aisles away from us both biggrin
both my kids know dad is far better than them when it comes to embarrassing scenes for getting a point across to them,my wife used to adopt the same approach as yours in similar situations .i almost miss that kind of thing now they have grown older !