Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
blindswelledrat said:
frankenstein12 said:
The view I have long taken on Brexit is its simply not in Europe best interests to try punish us. We very much hold all the power cards. They have budget commitments for example which we were committed to helping to fund as members of the EU. Our share is the billions in the coming years.
The only stable economic country within Europe is Germany and even it is starting to struggle by way of market slow down.
All we need to do is tell the EU we will refuse to keep to the financial commitments they have made till X and that the remaining 27 will have to share out what we were meant to cover.
The remaining 27 cannot afford that.
t.
You have a really strange view on this sort of thing.The only stable economic country within Europe is Germany and even it is starting to struggle by way of market slow down.
All we need to do is tell the EU we will refuse to keep to the financial commitments they have made till X and that the remaining 27 will have to share out what we were meant to cover.
The remaining 27 cannot afford that.
t.
Your perception that it is ever conceivable that we would default on our commitments is so far off the mark that you don't really seem to understand how stuff works. We aren't some tin pot African nation who arbitrarily reneges on our deals when a new dictator overthrows the current government.
Do you honestly think we would have any chance whatsoever of negotiating other deals across the globe if we didn't honour our agreements? It is just unthinkable and not even a remote possibility. Even threatening it is not remotely feasible.
Also the bit about the German economy was similarly incorrect http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-economy-g...
And despite all of that, you are far over estimating our importance to Europe and how much our net contribution matters. Our net contribution is less than 6% of the EU budget. All this "They need us far more than we need them" nonsense is just that. Particularly when they need to do everything possible to discourage any other country from following us out of the EU. It is completely in their interest to f
k us over and set an example to all the rest of the EU countries who are feeling a little restless.You are correct that using our financial commitment to the EU budget as a bargaining chip might seem out of order but its not really.
It does not mean it cannot be used as a bargaining chip as there are many aspects as in a divorce and there will be various commitments on which there will be give and take. The UK could take a very hard line or they can take a more genial friendly line which will reduce commitments for the 27.
The euro and EU project are propped by its three founding states. Germany, France and the UK.
The UK is growing, Germany is growing but its growth has slowed and France is struggling under a mountain of debt and its economy is near stagnant.
Even if we left out the contributions to commitments to EU budget as a bargaining tool it would not pay the EU to turn the UK against them as if they end up in trouble as they usually do they wont be able to turn the UK for help.
If they negotiate in good faith and set up a fair deal and thereafter the Euro or one of the 27 ends up in serious trouble they will be able to ask the UK to assist in bailing them out and the UK Gov will be able to do so without too much concern of public response.
As to cars. Germany is not too much of an issue as its car companies and economy can take a hit in car sales and manufacture.
As said before France however is a union led workforce and its economy is struggling in part because of this and shows no real sign of adaptation or modernisation in how things are run. Their car companies are mostly state funded. If the UK imposes taxes on French car imports it threatens the French car industry and its workers and they will go on strike as they are predictably militant.
It will also hit the French government tax income meaning an increase in taxes elsewhere to complement or a reduction in service elsewhere.
///ajd said:
In French we say that they want “the butter, the money from the butter, and the dairymaid’s smile”.
In more vulgar usage we say they want something rather more from the dairymaid than a smile.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan...
Catnip?
Bugger!In more vulgar usage we say they want something rather more from the dairymaid than a smile.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan...
Catnip?
Literally-no-one-ever said:
Good to see the return of quality input from 535i
We were hoping that you had been banned.
don4l said:
///ajd said:
In French we say that they want “the butter, the money from the butter, and the dairymaid’s smile”.
In more vulgar usage we say they want something rather more from the dairymaid than a smile.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan...
Catnip?
Bugger!In more vulgar usage we say they want something rather more from the dairymaid than a smile.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan...
Catnip?
Literally-no-one-ever said:
Good to see the return of quality input from 535i
We were hoping that you had been banned.
I cannot see how we can have a debate on here without opposite views being offered to counter our own.
B'stard Child said:
PS you've been back at PH school refining your quote skills - I did chuckle at the last one 
Brilliant contribution from our favourite speshul europhile. He must have the thickest skin on PH - highlighted as a liar, fantasist and general buffoon repeatedly, but still keeps coming back. I'm glad though, I've missed the laughs.
bmw535i said:
B'stard Child said:
PS you've been back at PH school refining your quote skills - I did chuckle at the last one
Brilliant contribution from our favourite speshul europhile. He must have the thickest skin on PH - highlighted as a liar, fantasist and general buffoon repeatedly, but still keeps coming back. I'm glad though, I've missed the laughs.
Of course I could be wrong but as always I err on the side of optimism
blindswelledrat said:
You have a really strange view on this sort of thing.
Your perception that it is ever conceivable that we would default on our commitments is so far off the mark that you don't really seem to understand how stuff works. We aren't some tin pot African nation who arbitrarily reneges on our deals when a new dictator overthrows the current government.
Do you honestly think we would have any chance whatsoever of negotiating other deals across the globe if we didn't honour our agreements? It is just unthinkable and not even a remote possibility. Even threatening it is not remotely feasible.
Also the bit about the German economy was similarly incorrect http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-economy-g...
And despite all of that, you are far over estimating our importance to Europe and how much our net contribution matters. Our net contribution is less than 6% of the EU budget. All this "They need us far more than we need them" nonsense is just that. Particularly when they need to do everything possible to discourage any other country from following us out of the EU. It is completely in their interest to fk us over and set an example to all the rest of the EU countries who are feeling a little restless.
I would suggest that the best way of snuffing out the growing Eurosceptic feeling is not by being vindictive aYour perception that it is ever conceivable that we would default on our commitments is so far off the mark that you don't really seem to understand how stuff works. We aren't some tin pot African nation who arbitrarily reneges on our deals when a new dictator overthrows the current government.
Do you honestly think we would have any chance whatsoever of negotiating other deals across the globe if we didn't honour our agreements? It is just unthinkable and not even a remote possibility. Even threatening it is not remotely feasible.
Also the bit about the German economy was similarly incorrect http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-economy-g...
And despite all of that, you are far over estimating our importance to Europe and how much our net contribution matters. Our net contribution is less than 6% of the EU budget. All this "They need us far more than we need them" nonsense is just that. Particularly when they need to do everything possible to discourage any other country from following us out of the EU. It is completely in their interest to f
k us over and set an example to all the rest of the EU countries who are feeling a little restless.holes who clearly value the project above the welfare of the citizens they are supposed to represent. There again they are so out of touch nothing would surprise me.
Mario149 said:
I know it was an opening, but you go in high and expect to get less. She's gone in low and is expecting to get more i.e. our default position now is we'll revert to bare minimum and screw the consequences. To be somewhat fair to TM, it was effectively a no-win situation.
Did you watch the whole speech Mario?May did not go in Low, quite the opposite, she put forward the case for retaining the high levels of cooperation we currently have, both to advantage the UK and the EU.
What was important for her to state was that if they don't act as a friend, we are prepared to walk away, and more to the point we will protect our position, even if that means the EU suffers as a result.
That wasn't just encompassing the trading side of things, we will withdraw our intelligence services and armed forces protections, which the EU simply isn't equipped to replace.
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
Welcome back slasher.........how's Strasbourg this time of year?
Ah Bonjour, mon ami! Cava?Le temps n'est pas trop mauvais merci.
Nous avons toujours le beurre, l'argent du beurre - et la cremiere - elle ne va pas baiser brexiteers malodorant.
///ajd via google translate said:
Ah Hello, my friend! It's okay?
The weather is not too bad thank you.
We still have butter, butter money - and the cremiere - she will not kiss smelly brexiteers.
The weather is not too bad thank you.
We still have butter, butter money - and the cremiere - she will not kiss smelly brexiteers.
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
Welcome back slasher.........how's Strasbourg this time of year?
Ah Bonjour, mon ami! Cava?Le temps n'est pas trop mauvais merci.
Nous avons toujours le beurre, l'argent du beurre - et la cremiere - elle ne va pas baiser brexiteers malodorant.
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
Welcome back slasher.........how's Strasbourg this time of year?
Ah Bonjour, mon ami! Cava?Le temps n'est pas trop mauvais merci.
Nous avons toujours le beurre, l'argent du beurre - et la cremiere - elle ne va pas baiser brexiteers malodorant.
.......... 
don'tbesilly said:
alfie2244 said:
///ajd said:
alfie2244 said:
Welcome back slasher.........how's Strasbourg this time of year?
Ah Bonjour, mon ami! Cava?Le temps n'est pas trop mauvais merci.
Nous avons toujours le beurre, l'argent du beurre - et la cremiere - elle ne va pas baiser brexiteers malodorant.
.......... B'stard Child said:
I was slightly concerned for his welfare but I'm hoping he's had a short break away (of his own choice) as his most recent posting style has revealed a lighter side (with a nice balance of humour) to his character that bodes well for the future.
Of course I could be wrong but as always I err on the side of optimism
I'd say a spell in a rehab centre could explain the absence - you could explain some of the wild fantasies with alcohol abuse. I dare say the humour is a therapy method for disguising the ongoing grief.Of course I could be wrong but as always I err on the side of optimism
Perhaps forthcoming events will reveal more cracks? I dare say it'll revert to the old racist theme soon enough.
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