Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[768]

digimeistter said:

blindswelledrat said:

Our net contribution is less than 6% of the EU budget.

Do you have a sauce for that?

EU budget 2015: €145bn, say £105bn at an average 2015 FX rate.
https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/budget_en

UK Net contribution 2015: £13bn
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-...

Which is a little over 12%. Of course, some of the EU budget (a further £4.5bn) gets spent in the UK so some people then look at a further reduced figure of £8.5bn - which is a crazy way of looking at it, but a not unusual Europhile view. That's still 8%.

Or slightly under 6% if you didn't convert the EU's budget from Euros to GBP? Really, it's 12%.

[768]

Alternative source, where someone else did the maths:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/europea...

[jjlynn27]

768 said:

EU budget 2015: €145bn, say £105bn at an average 2015 FX rate.
https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/budget_en

UK Net contribution 2015: £13bn
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-...

Which is a little over 12%. Of course, some of the EU budget (a further £4.5bn) gets spent in the UK so some people then look at a further reduced figure of £8.5bn - which is a crazy way of looking at it, but a not unusual Europhile view. That's still 8%.

Or slightly under 6% if you didn't convert the EU's budget from Euros to GBP? Really, it's 12%.

Using your link;

https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/UK%20payments%2...

UK Net contribution 2015: 8.5bn

'Crazy way of looking at it'

Much better way is to look at it is;

Net contribution; 13bn
uk spend; 4.5bn
Gross contribution: ??

Using your logic what is the gross contribution?

etf: rebate

Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 19th January 00:25

[768]

jjlynn27 said:

Using your logic what is the gross contribution?

Put it this way; if BSR thinks 6% of the EU budget comes from the UK contribution and 94% comes from the other 27 countries, there's a gap.

One you could drive a bus through with a gross contribution written on the side of it.

[jjlynn27]

768 said:

jjlynn27 said:

Using your logic what is the gross contribution?

Put it this way; if BSR thinks 6% of the EU budget comes from the UK contribution and 94% comes from the other 27 countries, there's a gap.

One you could drive a bus through with a gross contribution written on the side of it.

Stop dodging. It was a rather simple question; using your logic what's the UK gross contribution.

[B'stard Child]

jjlynn27 said:

768 said:

jjlynn27 said:

Using your logic what is the gross contribution?

Put it this way; if BSR thinks 6% of the EU budget comes from the UK contribution and 94% comes from the other 27 countries, there's a gap.

One you could drive a bus through with a gross contribution written on the side of it.

Stop dodging. It was a rather simple question; using your logic what's the UK gross contribution.

Shortly I'd like it to be zero

[768]

jjlynn27 said:

768 said:

jjlynn27 said:

Using your logic what is the gross contribution?

Put it this way; if BSR thinks 6% of the EU budget comes from the UK contribution and 94% comes from the other 27 countries, there's a gap.

One you could drive a bus through with a gross contribution written on the side of it.

Stop dodging. It was a rather simple question; using your logic what's the UK gross contribution.

[jjlynn27]

768 said:

jjlynn27 said:

768 said:

jjlynn27 said:

Using your logic what is the gross contribution?

Put it this way; if BSR thinks 6% of the EU budget comes from the UK contribution and 94% comes from the other 27 countries, there's a gap.

One you could drive a bus through with a gross contribution written on the side of it.

Stop dodging. It was a rather simple question; using your logic what's the UK gross contribution.

Your comprehension of what's gross and what's net is equal to whoever came up with the idiotic numbers on a bus. Seems that they knew their audience.

[CaptainSlow]

jjlynn27 said:

Your comprehension of what's gross and what's net is equal to whoever came up with the idiotic numbers on a bus. Seems that they knew their audience.

As it turned out, either intentionally or unintentionally, whoever put the numbers on the bus was a tactical electoral campaign genius.

[768]

jjlynn27 said:

Your comprehension of what's gross and what's net is equal to whoever came up with the idiotic numbers on a bus. Seems that they knew their audience.

Go on then, explain slowly for me how we contribute less than 6% of the EU budget, with 94% funded by the other 27?

[Fastdruid]

From https://www.ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/budget-...

All figures in Euros and from 2014

EU budget 142.48B, UK pays 313 per person, 64.1M people in 2014 so a total of 20 Billion paid which is ~14%

[blindswelledrat]

768 said:

digimeistter said:

blindswelledrat said:

Our net contribution is less than 6% of the EU budget.

Do you have a sauce for that?

EU budget 2015: €145bn, say £105bn at an average 2015 FX rate.
https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/budget_en

UK Net contribution 2015: £13bn
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-...

Which is a little over 12%. Of course, some of the EU budget (a further £4.5bn) gets spent in the UK so some people then look at a further reduced figure of £8.5bn - which is a crazy way of looking at it, but a not unusual Europhile view. That's still 8%.

Or slightly under 6% if you didn't convert the EU's budget from Euros to GBP? Really, it's 12%.

Nonsense. "Net contribution" is the figure after our rebate i.e. the amount we pay minus the amount they give us. That is what the word "net" means and that is descriptive of the loss to the EU once we are out. Really, it's 6% as I said.

[blindswelledrat]

768 said:

jjlynn27 said:

Using your logic what is the gross contribution?

Put it this way; if BSR thinks 6% of the EU budget comes from the UK contribution and 94% comes from the other 27 countries, there's a gap.

One you could drive a bus through with a gross contribution written on the side of it.

What gap? What are you talking about? 6% plus 94% equals 100%.

[anonymous-user]

blindswelledrat said:

Nonsense. "Net contribution" is the figure after our rebate i.e. the amount we pay minus the amount they give us. That is what the word "net" means and that is descriptive of the loss to the EU once we are out. Really, it's 6% as I said.

Isn't the 145 the gross figure though?

So shouldn't we use our gross figure to calculate the ℅?

[FiF]

Personally I don't see much sense in comparing the operating budgetary balance for one nation as a percentage of the gross budget expenditure. If one wishes to look at net contributions, ie operating budgetary balance, then compare like with like. Unless of course it's a deliberate attempt to present a picture which fits with a particular slanted message.

[CaptainSlow]

blindswelledrat said:

Nonsense. "Net contribution" is the figure after our rebate i.e. the amount we pay minus the amount they give us. That is what the word "net" means and that is descriptive of the loss to the EU once we are out. Really, it's 6% as I said.

If you're looking at net numbers you need to divide the UK's net contribution over the EU's net budget so €6B/€4B or 150%!!

[768]

desolate said:

Isn't the 145 the gross figure though?

So shouldn't we use our gross figure to calculate the ??

Semantics of gross and net in this context aside, I believe so. Although I'm still in the dark as to how BSR's reached 6%, I'm convinced it's not 6% of the equivalent 100%, as it were.

EU document with draft 2017 figures showing UK 12.51% contribution after rebate here. Table 6, page 11.

[anonymous-user]

768 said:

Semantics of gross and net in this context aside, I believe so. Although I'm still in the dark as to how BSR's reached 6%, I'm convinced it's not 6% of the equivalent 100%, as it were.

EU document with draft 2017 figures showing UK 12.51% contribution after rebate here. Table 6, page 11.

Is the net contribution of whateverthefkitis billions 6% or so of 145 billion?

[paul789]

fk. Are you lot still going on? This thread should be closed, they'll be no U turn.

[FiF]

desolate said:

768 said:

Semantics of gross and net in this context aside, I believe so. Although I'm still in the dark as to how BSR's reached 6%, I'm convinced it's not 6% of the equivalent 100%, as it were.

EU document with draft 2017 figures showing UK 12.51% contribution after rebate here. Table 6, page 11.

Is the net contribution of whateverthefkitis billions 6% or so of 145 billion?

If you look at 2013 figures for example, the UK net contribution of 8.642 billion is 5.82% of the EU total expenditure of 148.468 billion. It's a nonsense calculation.

If for the same year you compare the UK net contribution as a % of the total net contributions of the nations which are net contributors as opposed to recipients, then 8.642 is 20.5% of 42.115 billion. It's another flawed calculation of course.