Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
Carl_Manchester said:
W124 said:
A fair point. It seems to me though that consumer and household debt is so high that were inflation to spark a rate rise all hell would break loose. There is also the assumption that gouvernments can control inflation. Often they can't. I don't think they have any hope of doing so in this case as the effect on the pound of A50 being triggered (of course, as everybody on here conveniently forgets - this has not happened) is an unknown. Most likely bad, but an unknown. We have yet to really feel the sting of the fall in the pound that we've so far seen. To make out all is rosy, as some posters on here do, is real hostage to fortune stuff. It's like the 'Masque of the Red Death' with Death as inflation.
It's a Pandora's box that Brown created and Osborne inflated and I am happy I am not the person who needs to un-pick it.An economy completely wedded to consumer spending fuelled by property speculation via cheap money will be the de-facto economic policy until a transition can happen.
It will work, until that point and so there is no political pressure to do anything right now because, what could possibly go wrong?
My point is that triggering A50 has unknown effects on inflation. It's rising. We could see 3 to 5% this year. God alone knows what A50 would do to the pound. It looks as if May is stuck between losing political face over dragging out Brexit, blame for which now rests on the judiciary, Parliament and Gina Miller, or the absolute mayhem of inflation and rate rises. I take the view that the necessity of putting rates up was the driver behind Carney Lowering them after the vote. With a choice between a certain opening of Pandora's box via A50 or a possibly survivable fudge on Brexit she can blame on others, my guess is that she will choose, and has chosen, the latter.
Elysium said:
You may be right about Gina Millers motivation, but in the end that is not important. This is about the Got's unlawful approach to Brexit. The fact that you may support or object to the Govt's intentions is irrelevant to their lawfulness.
Can't remember such a spirited fight from the judiciary when it came to signing away our sovereignty in the first place....... paulrockliffe said:
My objection to the case isn't the legal principle, it's that it was brought vexatiously; it serves no purpose unless the aim is to stop the UK leaving the EU....
...I actually think the clarification makes the process simpler, squares off any meaningful opposition from Labour and will stop any attempt to argue no-deal = we don't leave, which is the opposite of what the protagonists were aiming for.
Exactly. I think they've shot themselves in the foot, brexit can only gain more democratic and legal legitimacy from this....I actually think the clarification makes the process simpler, squares off any meaningful opposition from Labour and will stop any attempt to argue no-deal = we don't leave, which is the opposite of what the protagonists were aiming for.
Balmoral said:
paulrockliffe said:
My objection to the case isn't the legal principle, it's that it was brought vexatiously; it serves no purpose unless the aim is to stop the UK leaving the EU....
...I actually think the clarification makes the process simpler, squares off any meaningful opposition from Labour and will stop any attempt to argue no-deal = we don't leave, which is the opposite of what the protagonists were aiming for.
Exactly. I think they've shot themselves in the foot, brexit can only gain more democratic and legal legitimacy from this....I actually think the clarification makes the process simpler, squares off any meaningful opposition from Labour and will stop any attempt to argue no-deal = we don't leave, which is the opposite of what the protagonists were aiming for.
I have a theory as to why a huge number of previously pro-Remain MPs are striding about the place shouting 'the people have spoken'. It's because they hope to shift the blame onto 'the people' in the event of Brexit having dire economic consequences for the country.
This court case has forced those MPs to accept their part in this, for better or worse.
So bill to leave raised http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/26/reveale...
Labour plan 4 amendments http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/23/jeremy-...
Wee Jimmy Krankie plans 60 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/24/nicola-...
Labour plan 4 amendments http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/23/jeremy-...
Wee Jimmy Krankie plans 60 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/24/nicola-...
Playing devil's advocate (and readily admitting I know very little of these things)....... would those that want Brexit scuppered i.e. those behind the legal challenge, not have been wiser to have waited until May served the Art50 notice and then challenged it on the grounds of having been served without proper authority and not consulting parliament......too late now but would have caused more disruption perhaps?
It just annoys me that people can't respect democracy, labours shadows minister resigned in protest because her constituents overwhelming voted to remain so she won't agree to vote for article 50. Yet the majority of the country did and using her logic if the majority of her constituents vote labour at the next GE and we get a consvetative government will she campaign and resign out of protest because her constituents did not vote for a Conservative government.
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No way A50 will be triggered in March IMO with people wanting amendments etc.
We will come back to this........Happy to be proven wrong.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No way A50 will be triggered in March IMO with people wanting amendments etc.
We will come back to this........Happy to be proven wrong.
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No way A50 will be triggered in March IMO with people wanting amendments etc.
We will come back to this........Happy to be proven wrong.
Smollet said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No way A50 will be triggered in March IMO with people wanting amendments etc.
We will come back to this........Happy to be proven wrong.
TLandCruiser said:
It just annoys me that people can't respect democracy, labours shadows minister resigned in protest because her constituents overwhelming voted to remain so she won't agree to vote for article 50. Yet the majority of the country did and using her logic if the majority of her constituents vote labour at the next GE and we get a conservative government will she campaign and resign out of protest because her constituents did not vote for a Conservative government.
She voted for the referendum. If she didn't want to let the people choose she shouldn't have voted for it. p1stonhead said:
Smollet said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No way A50 will be triggered in March IMO with people wanting amendments etc.
We will come back to this........Happy to be proven wrong.
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
Smollet said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
bmw535i said:
p1stonhead said:
No way A50 will be triggered in March IMO with people wanting amendments etc.
We will come back to this........Happy to be proven wrong.
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