Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
I agree a 10% export tariff would be a problem. Direct compensation is illegal though there are other ways to skin a cat - still taxpayers money at the end of the day, unless you just take it from the imported BMW. Which is still taxpayers money at the end of the day.
I think it should be inconceivable that we leave without a deal; is that what Davis is saying? May seems to be walking back on this but we'll see. It is an admission that we have to compromise with the EU to get a deal - there is no choice. Their wish list - no list of demands - is long. They have already out played May in status of EU migrants. Resolve it or no negotiations. 1-0 to the EU. Dept for Brexit=Amateurs!!
Out played May on EU immigrant status ? The EU is playing games with them you clot. Your ability to talk sI think it should be inconceivable that we leave without a deal; is that what Davis is saying? May seems to be walking back on this but we'll see. It is an admission that we have to compromise with the EU to get a deal - there is no choice. Their wish list - no list of demands - is long. They have already out played May in status of EU migrants. Resolve it or no negotiations. 1-0 to the EU. Dept for Brexit=Amateurs!!
t is epic !The UK has threatened EU migrant status to be put in doubt after "black/backward wednesday", or whatever we should call it. That was a bit stoopid of the brexiteers.
Now the EU is saying "can you take back all that bollcks UK and secure migrant rights please. Otherwise no negotiations. Your move, amateurs!"
The hot air and bravado is soon to be exposed for what it is. Singing Rule Britannia won't help.
Or perhaps you want to blame the EU for Davis being a lightweight moron?
I think even the majority of Remainers on here wish you would stop talking crap, probably best examples by the fact that JawKnee said you were the only one talking sense.
Funny how appalled you were at first when you tried to use it as a guilt trip on here. Now we now what happened you've spun it right around and making out it's a smart move on their part to use them !
Your ability to talk ball locks still knows no bounds.
Those foreigners have really got it in for you haven't they?
My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
confused_buyer said:
Andy Zarse said:
You forgot to mention nice Mr Clogg also got a proper walloping in the AV+ referendum too. I recall he became very very angry about it, blaming the Tories and the Tory controlled media because they were against any change to the current FPtP system. Not once did it appear to occur to him that people simply didn't like the idea of proportional representation or that he might simply have been wrong about everything.
Yes, I'd forgotten about that. He agreed to boundary reform if he got the referendum on AV. He got the referendum as agreed, lost it spectacularly and then he and his party reneged on the deal and voted down the boundary review citing House of Lords reform which has never been part of the arrangement. Decent honourable chap.He also had an EU in/out referendum as part of his 2010 manifesto. He then got into Government, ignored it and whipped his party to vote against a Referendum Bill when it came before the Commons.
jsf said:
Slasher is having a proper melt down tonight. 
He certainly needs help, being benevolent by nature I'd suggest some guidance is at hand here:http://www.counsellinginfrance.com/
Sky Data Brexit poll: Half of Britons happy about EU divorce process starting
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-data-brexit-poll-hal...
I wonder if purplemoonlight can identify himself as happy or sad? Perhaps he still doesn't care
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-data-brexit-poll-hal...
I wonder if purplemoonlight can identify himself as happy or sad? Perhaps he still doesn't care
Deptford Draylons said:
You are perhaps the most dishonest person on PH. How like you not to address anything said and infer a hatred of foreigners.
My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
just commenting that you swallowed the line it is the EUs fault so easily.My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
why is that?
we are mugs because of the "lets change EU rights after BW" nonsense. we spouted that crap, the EU didn't make us - but given the above you'll find a way to say it still wasn't our fault. Wave a union jack, that will help.
Tick-tock: The Sky Brexit Countdown and time to have your say
http://news.sky.com/story/tick-tock-its-the-sky-br...
Morning ///ajd, I do hope you don't ever bump into the Brexit countdown van on your travels. I dare say it'd cause an accident.
http://news.sky.com/story/tick-tock-its-the-sky-br...
Morning ///ajd, I do hope you don't ever bump into the Brexit countdown van on your travels. I dare say it'd cause an accident.
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You are perhaps the most dishonest person on PH. How like you not to address anything said and infer a hatred of foreigners.
My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
just commenting that you swallowed the line it is the EUs fault so easily.My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
why is that?
we are mugs because of the "lets change EU rights after BW" nonsense. we spouted that crap, the EU didn't make us - but given the above you'll find a way to say it still wasn't our fault. Wave a union jack, that will help.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/29/donald-...
Headline : "Angela Merkel says 'nein' to Theresa May's calls for early deal on rights of EU migrants and British ex-pats"
If you mean that we may change the rights of immigrants after we leave, well why on earth not ? An Italian (for example) should have no more rights to UK entry or benefits than an American, Russian, Japanese or Chinese (other countries are available). That's called being fair to all and not applying preference to predominantly white races, something the EU seem to be very good at.
b2hbm said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You are perhaps the most dishonest person on PH. How like you not to address anything said and infer a hatred of foreigners.
My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
just commenting that you swallowed the line it is the EUs fault so easily.My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
why is that?
we are mugs because of the "lets change EU rights after BW" nonsense. we spouted that crap, the EU didn't make us - but given the above you'll find a way to say it still wasn't our fault. Wave a union jack, that will help.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/29/donald-...
Headline : "Angela Merkel says 'nein' to Theresa May's calls for early deal on rights of EU migrants and British ex-pats"
If you mean that we may change the rights of immigrants after we leave, well why on earth not ? An Italian (for example) should have no more rights to UK entry or benefits than an American, Russian, Japanese or Chinese (other countries are available). That's called being fair to all and not applying preference to predominantly white races, something the EU seem to be very good at.
If they say its the foreigners fault, must be true.
And the suggestion is we were trying to change rights from today, not when we leave.
///ajd said:
b2hbm said:
If you mean that we may change the rights of immigrants after we leave, well why on earth not ? An Italian (for example) should have no more rights to UK entry or benefits than an American, Russian, Japanese or Chinese (other countries are available). That's called being fair to all and not applying preference to predominantly white races, something the EU seem to be very good at.
Ah, a telegraph link.If they say its the foreigners fault, must be true.
And the suggestion is we were trying to change rights from today, not when we leave.
But go back to my last paragraph. Now what is wrong with that statement ? Given that we have now resigned from the club and the EU have consistently refused to agree a deal with ex-pat residency, why shouldn't we propose to apply equal criteria to all peoples wishing to enter the UK henceforward ? Sounds pretty fair to me.
b2hbm said:
Ah well, my mistake. It is so hard to keep up with you these days, I don't know how the rest of these folks manage it.
But go back to my last paragraph. Now what is wrong with that statement ? Given that we have now resigned from the club and the EU have consistently refused to agree a deal with ex-pat residency, why shouldn't we propose to apply equal criteria to all peoples wishing to enter the UK henceforward ? Sounds pretty fair to me.
The EU doesn't have the power to make that deal. It is for each member state to agree with the UK.But go back to my last paragraph. Now what is wrong with that statement ? Given that we have now resigned from the club and the EU have consistently refused to agree a deal with ex-pat residency, why shouldn't we propose to apply equal criteria to all peoples wishing to enter the UK henceforward ? Sounds pretty fair to me.
Andy Zarse said:
confused_buyer said:
Andy Zarse said:
You forgot to mention nice Mr Clogg also got a proper walloping in the AV+ referendum too. I recall he became very very angry about it, blaming the Tories and the Tory controlled media because they were against any change to the current FPtP system. Not once did it appear to occur to him that people simply didn't like the idea of proportional representation or that he might simply have been wrong about everything.
Yes, I'd forgotten about that. He agreed to boundary reform if he got the referendum on AV. He got the referendum as agreed, lost it spectacularly and then he and his party reneged on the deal and voted down the boundary review citing House of Lords reform which has never been part of the arrangement. Decent honourable chap.He also had an EU in/out referendum as part of his 2010 manifesto. He then got into Government, ignored it and whipped his party to vote against a Referendum Bill when it came before the Commons.
Then was also the idiot Soubry bleating on about the market of 500 million people. The EU is NOT a market of 500 million people, it is a place where 500 million people happen to live. Why would someone in Eastern Europe want to cross 27 other countries to buy a toaster from the UK, when they can get a perfectly adequate, or possibly better made one, in the country next door (and they can take it back easier if it goes wrong) especially if the organization that sells them that toaster, has `lent' them the money to buy it in the first place (at attractive rates for the seller) because their economy is a basket case ( nothing like lending someone some money to keep them friendly, compliant and on side is there?)
One only has to look at the streets of the UK, and the streets EH)of the EU to realize that (as government figures confirm) that some countries of the EU have been much better at pushing their goods and services, and people into the UK, than the UK has been able to penetrate into the 500 million in the EU.
A situation which has always been better for some countries, manufacturers and businesses in the EU, than it has been for manufacturers and businesses in the UK, to the tune of 24 billion pounds last year alone, and in almost single every year since the UK was lied into joining the EU via the EEC.
Today is nothing more or less than independence day for the UK.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The EU is NOT a market of 500 million people, it is a place where 500 million people happen to live..
That population figure also includes the UKEU + the four EFTA areas - UK = circa 456 million people.
They can't even get the basics right, or are we leaving our own internal market too?
Pan Pan Pan said:
Andy Zarse said:
confused_buyer said:
Andy Zarse said:
You forgot to mention nice Mr Clogg also got a proper walloping in the AV+ referendum too. I recall he became very very angry about it, blaming the Tories and the Tory controlled media because they were against any change to the current FPtP system. Not once did it appear to occur to him that people simply didn't like the idea of proportional representation or that he might simply have been wrong about everything.
Yes, I'd forgotten about that. He agreed to boundary reform if he got the referendum on AV. He got the referendum as agreed, lost it spectacularly and then he and his party reneged on the deal and voted down the boundary review citing House of Lords reform which has never been part of the arrangement. Decent honourable chap.He also had an EU in/out referendum as part of his 2010 manifesto. He then got into Government, ignored it and whipped his party to vote against a Referendum Bill when it came before the Commons.
FN2TypeR said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
The EU is NOT a market of 500 million people, it is a place where 500 million people happen to live..
That population figure also includes the UKEU + the four EFTA areas - UK = circa 456 million people.
They can't even get the basics right, or are we leaving our own internal market too?
If it was such a massive market for the UK, you would think that EVERYTHING the UK could make, and services the UK could provide would be whipped off the shelves, and fed into that wonderful market of 400 plus million people of the EU every day.
But somehow, the UK has run a trade deficit with the EU (for which it pays the EU 10.8 billion a year just for the privilege) for almost every single one of the 40 plus years since the UK was lied to, and duped into joining the EU via the EEC.
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You are perhaps the most dishonest person on PH. How like you not to address anything said and infer a hatred of foreigners.
My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
just commenting that you swallowed the line it is the EUs fault so easily.My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
why is that?
we are mugs because of the "lets change EU rights after BW" nonsense. we spouted that crap, the EU didn't make us - but given the above you'll find a way to say it still wasn't our fault. Wave a union jack, that will help.
Before you knew this you were doing a silly morally outraged act on PH asking people like me if I was proud of what I'd done and how disgusting it was to leave these people in limbo and use them as a bargaining chip.
Now you know the facts of the matter , you praise the EU as having pulled a masterstroke and got on over on May by using them. Seems your morally outraged act when out the window pretty quick, largely because you are a snake in any such debates who twists and turns as the facts change and you once again get proven to be wrong.
It must be quite sad to actively want your country to be nasty to fit your silly little internet argument , a bit like your craving for a juicy job loss story for you to be able to run here and post what will be a comment like the above where you once again ask if people are proud of what they have done.
Happy Article 50 day to you.
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You are perhaps the most dishonest person on PH. How like you not to address anything said and infer a hatred of foreigners.
My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
just commenting that you swallowed the line it is the EUs fault so easily.My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
why is that?
we are mugs because of the "lets change EU rights after BW" nonsense. we spouted that crap, the EU didn't make us - but given the above you'll find a way to say it still wasn't our fault. Wave a union jack, that will help.
Before you knew this you were doing a silly morally outraged act on PH asking people like me if I was proud of what I'd done and how disgusting it was to leave these people in limbo and use them as a bargaining chip.
Now you know the facts of the matter , you praise the EU as having pulled a masterstroke and got on over on May by using them. Seems your morally outraged act when out the window pretty quick, largely because you are a snake in any such debates who twists and turns as the facts change and you once again get proven to be wrong.
It must be quite sad to actively want your country to be nasty to fit your silly little internet argument , a bit like your craving for a juicy job loss story for you to be able to run here and post what will be a comment like the above where you once again ask if people are proud of what they have done.
Happy Article 50 day to you.
The UK brexiteers were being nasty, and I'm glad they were pulled up for it. Or perhaps you thought that threat was fine.
Perhaps you even like it when kippers froth about deporting foreigners. I don't.
Happy Backwards Wednesday to you too.
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
///ajd said:
Deptford Draylons said:
You are perhaps the most dishonest person on PH. How like you not to address anything said and infer a hatred of foreigners.
My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
just commenting that you swallowed the line it is the EUs fault so easily.My previous posts have backed up doing a deal and settling the issue and taking it of the table.
Your previous posts asked Brexit voters if they were proud of leaving them in limbo and you did your moral outrage act here.
That was until we found out it was everyone who declined not to make them a bargaining chip and no you use it to say how we've been outdone by the EU and are mugs. You can't even keep a consistent line here and twist like a snake.
why is that?
we are mugs because of the "lets change EU rights after BW" nonsense. we spouted that crap, the EU didn't make us - but given the above you'll find a way to say it still wasn't our fault. Wave a union jack, that will help.
Before you knew this you were doing a silly morally outraged act on PH asking people like me if I was proud of what I'd done and how disgusting it was to leave these people in limbo and use them as a bargaining chip.
Now you know the facts of the matter , you praise the EU as having pulled a masterstroke and got on over on May by using them. Seems your morally outraged act when out the window pretty quick, largely because you are a snake in any such debates who twists and turns as the facts change and you once again get proven to be wrong.
It must be quite sad to actively want your country to be nasty to fit your silly little internet argument , a bit like your craving for a juicy job loss story for you to be able to run here and post what will be a comment like the above where you once again ask if people are proud of what they have done.
Happy Article 50 day to you.
The UK brexiteers were being nasty, and I'm glad they were pulled up for it. Or perhaps you thought that threat was fine.
Perhaps you even like it when kippers froth about deporting foreigners. I don't.
Happy Backwards Wednesday to you too.
You don't seem to be able to handle than even Ukip called for a deal to be done before any negotiations and not to go into any with this even being a question.
When you thought it was the nasty UK that was up for using them as a bargaining chip you were doing your morally outraged out.
You were promptly shut up when the inconvenient truth was it was your beloved EU that insisted no talks until triggering Article 50 and therefore making it a part of negotiations, then say how May had been out done. Your morally selective outrage is funny to watch when you are in full flow, but even funnier when it gets clean cut off by facts getting in the way.
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