Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[Dindoit]

If UK left EU but remained within single market, customs union, council of Europe and agreed to 4 freedoms for a significant membership fee (let's call it £349m/wk), would that be seen as a u-turn?

[B'stard Child]

Dindoit said:

If UK left EU but remained within single market, customs union, council of Europe and agreed to 4 freedoms for a significant membership fee (let's call it £349m/wk), would that be seen as a u-turn?

By some people - of course not..........

By some people - definitely........

[Burwood]

Dindoit said:

If UK left EU but remained within single market, customs union, council of Europe and agreed to 4 freedoms for a significant membership fee (let's call it £349m/wk), would that be seen as a u-turn?

what's the point of debating a scenario that can never be. The thread is now over.

[Dindoit]

Burwood said:

Dindoit said:

If UK left EU but remained within single market, customs union, council of Europe and agreed to 4 freedoms for a significant membership fee (let's call it £349m/wk), would that be seen as a u-turn?

what's the point of debating a scenario that can never be. The thread is now over.

Barring the customs union that's largely what the EEA/EFTA members have today.

Edited by Dindoit on Wednesday 29th March 15:28

[Burwood]

Freedom of movement is a red line. I expect we would be prepared to pay something but it won't be of the magnitude we currently do-nothing like it. Even if we did it wouldn't bother me. The EU can posture all they want. A deal will get done even though they will try and screw us initially

[p1stonhead]

Burwood said:

Freedom of movement is a red line. I expect we would be prepared to pay something but it won't be of the magnitude we currently do-nothing like it. Even if we did it wouldn't bother me. The EU can posture all they want. A deal will get done even though they will try and screw us initially

They possibly look like they are going to try if the below article comes to fruition.

'No deals with anyone else until we are out after 2 years. Try and you won't get a deal with the EU'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...

[Dindoit]

So, to answer the question, if we cosied up next to Liechtenstein in that graphic would it be seen as a u-turn?

[Camoradi]

Dindoit said:

So, to answer the question, if we cosied up next to Liechtenstein in that graphic would it be seen as a u-turn?

If I knew which flag was Liechtenstein...

I still wouldn't have a clue

[///ajd]

Dindoit said:

So, to answer the question, if we cosied up next to Liechtenstein in that graphic would it be seen as a u-turn?

Its a valid question.

Pre ref many suggested that could be the outcome. Many quoted swiss and liechtenstein immigration rules as the solution to our trade/immigration control conundrum. These hopes appear to have been guff (as I pointed out at the time to much derision and scoffing - looks like I was right. I do wonder if these false hopes had been quashed at the time it might have affected some votes).

Farage yesterday on LBC made a lot of being betrayed and in his view he thought "most people voted leave due to immigration" and implied any softening on hard out of everything approach would be a betrayal. He lined up some callers to violently agree with him.

I see that Mays letter also takes us specifically out of euro atomic energy. Implications for Culham & fusion technology programmes?

[Dindoit]

Camoradi said:

Dindoit said:

So, to answer the question, if we cosied up next to Liechtenstein in that graphic would it be seen as a u-turn?

If I knew which flag was Liechtenstein...

I still wouldn't have a clue

I might have had to look it up myself.

[Stickyfinger]

Dindoit said:

Camoradi said:

Dindoit said:

So, to answer the question, if we cosied up next to Liechtenstein in that graphic would it be seen as a u-turn?

If I knew which flag was Liechtenstein...

I still wouldn't have a clue

I might have had to look it up myself.

Is this it ?

[Fastdruid]

///ajd said:

I see that Mays letter also takes us specifically out of euro atomic energy. Implications for Culham & fusion technology programmes?

We don't have a choice.

It's a separate treaty but what it boils down to is we can't continue our existing Euratom membership (as it stands, that's not to say we couldn't have a different "type" of membership) if we leave the EU. I did find this which went into the reasons why:

peterjnorth said:

Peaceful cooperation on nuclear energy within the EU is governed by the 1957 Euratom Treaty which established the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom). While Euratom is a separate legal entity from the EU, it is governed by the EU's institutions.

In context though, as far as the UK is concerned, leaving the EU means leaving the Euratom Treaty. The EAEC is the treaty organisation responsible and we will be terminating our participation in that. Future participation will be by way of a cooperation agreement with the EAEC.

From http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/leaving-...

Disclaimer: Most of his stuff seems to have a fairly high "leave" bias but he doesn't seem to shy away from sticking the boot in the brexiteers either.

[cirian75]

turbobloke said:

May: "an historic moment from which there can be no turning back"

/thread

Next post to follow

Not quite.

EU has said if we ask to stop, and the other 27 say ok, it can.


Donald Tusk said

"If we have a chance to reverse this negative process, we will find allies,"

The ball is however fully in the UK court to ask to stop First.

[LasseV]

Fastdruid said:

From http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/leaving-...

Disclaimer: Most of his stuff seems to have a fairly high "leave" bias but he doesn't seem to shy away from sticking the boot in the brexiteers either.

Peter North. LOL

[Mrr T]

p1stonhead said:

Burwood said:

Freedom of movement is a red line. I expect we would be prepared to pay something but it won't be of the magnitude we currently do-nothing like it. Even if we did it wouldn't bother me. The EU can posture all they want. A deal will get done even though they will try and screw us initially

They possibly look like they are going to try if the below article comes to fruition.

'No deals with anyone else until we are out after 2 years. Try and you won't get a deal with the EU'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...

I note no special deal for the City of London. I through team leave promised they need us more than we needed them.

Based on the list I think we may well be very screwed.

How much do we need to set the special brexit tax, 6p in the £ suit everyone?

[anonymous-user]

Mrr T said:

How much do we need to set the special brexit tax, 6p in the £ suit everyone?

I'd happily pay more tax if required, better in our coffers than theirs.

[Fastdruid]

LasseV said:

Fastdruid said:

From http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/leaving-...

Disclaimer: Most of his stuff seems to have a fairly high "leave" bias but he doesn't seem to shy away from sticking the boot in the brexiteers either.

Peter North. LOL

I certainly wouldn't advise doing a video search on that name!

[///ajd]

Mrr T said:

p1stonhead said:

Burwood said:

Freedom of movement is a red line. I expect we would be prepared to pay something but it won't be of the magnitude we currently do-nothing like it. Even if we did it wouldn't bother me. The EU can posture all they want. A deal will get done even though they will try and screw us initially

They possibly look like they are going to try if the below article comes to fruition.

'No deals with anyone else until we are out after 2 years. Try and you won't get a deal with the EU'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...

I note no special deal for the City of London. I through team leave promised they need us more than we needed them.

Based on the list I think we may well be very screwed.

How much do we need to set the special brexit tax, 6p in the £ suit everyone?

Is that how you read it? I thought it only implied a city deal might be conditional?

[Mrr T]

///ajd said:

Mrr T said:

p1stonhead said:

Burwood said:

Freedom of movement is a red line. I expect we would be prepared to pay something but it won't be of the magnitude we currently do-nothing like it. Even if we did it wouldn't bother me. The EU can posture all they want. A deal will get done even though they will try and screw us initially

They possibly look like they are going to try if the below article comes to fruition.

'No deals with anyone else until we are out after 2 years. Try and you won't get a deal with the EU'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/29/f...

I note no special deal for the City of London. I through team leave promised they need us more than we needed them.

Based on the list I think we may well be very screwed.

How much do we need to set the special brexit tax, 6p in the £ suit everyone?

Is that how you read it? I thought it only implied a city deal might be conditional?

"there will be no special deal for the City of London “providing UK-based undertakings preferential access to the single market and, or the customs union”."

Seems clear to me.

[Mrr T]

digimeistter said:

Mrr T said:

How much do we need to set the special brexit tax, 6p in the £ suit everyone?

I'd happily pay more tax if required, better in our coffers than theirs.

You might. I expect you are in a very small minority.