Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[Mrr T]

Murph7355 said:

Mrr T said:

Where as the introduction of the special brexit tax at say 6p in the pound will win immediate public support for dream team leave.

To be fair MrrT, we handled and accepted the emergency budget and house price collapse pretty well.

I'm sure we'll cope just fine with your 6p Brexit tax

I forgot it will need to be much higher so you can pay the 350bn to the NHS.

[///ajd]

Balmoral said:

///ajd said:

Balmoral said:

///ajd said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...

Mr Weber seems to be unaware that his country has a motor industry and that the UK is it's single biggest customer.

Come on even the express (basic level brexiteering) has seen how the wheels have come off that weak argument

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785168/Ange...

Fair enough, if they aware of the sacrifice, then that's fine.

It was 27% of their entire output in 2015.

Sure about that?

BMW make 2.5million cars / year. Less than 10% of that sold in UK, inc Mini.

[Digga]

///ajd said:

Sure about that?

BMW make 2.5million cars / year. Less than 10% in UK, inc Mini.

Sure about that? See my post above and go compare prices for top-end 911s here and on the continent.

Any businessman knows:

1. Profit trumps turnover.
2. Car makers need volume to survive.

[Deptford Draylons]

It's an ///ajd linkfest from the Indy and Guardian for a change. Company is going to open an office and employ 100 people and confusion on security and the role the UK plays with NATO.

[Ridgemont]

///ajd said:

Close the thread?

Really want to block out any news that might be inconvenient.

This covers a few points.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...

I heard that on the Radio 4 show as quoted.
To be honest it was intriguing listening to the barely contained rage. His view was that of a significant MEP player and transparently not from the Council's perspective and as a result his view could only see downside and delusion in Brexit. The problem is that the view from Rue Weirtz is never going to see the UK point. Everything European is as a result of the EU.
The point made about Europol for example was key. As far as he was concerned May was whistling for the birds when stating that cooperation on Europol was desirable. The irritation barometer went through the roof... thus the

Weber said:

“Britain has decided to leave the European Union and yesterday I heard that Theresa May says she wants still to co-operate with Europol – Europol is a 100 per cent EU institution…so please tell me Theresa May what leaving the European Union means?”

The issue isn't his perspective however, and May wasn't saying 'we want out, let us in on our terms'. It was a clear statement that it is in the EU's best interest, and more precisely the Council's concern around security, that some kind of agreement is made to still corral UK intel into that organisation.

The fact that Weber doesn't get that, because he fails to appreciate an alternative national view, suggests that there may be some serious smell the coffee moments for the MEPS. The Parliament will without a doubt feature heavily in terms approval, but at this point Verhoffstadt and chums play second fiddle to the grown ups.

[Jockman]

Very few people will change their buying habits.

[skahigh]

///ajd said:

So when we are threatening to stop co-op with EU on defence

Headline: "Britain not threatening Europe over security cooperation - Davis"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-davis-...

[Jockman]

Digga said:

Sure about that? See my post above and go compare prices for top-end 911s here and on the continent.

Any businessman knows:

1. Profit trumps turnover.
2. Car makers need volume to survive.

Turnover isn't even second on the list.

Cashflow first, then profit.

[///ajd]

skahigh said:

///ajd said:

So when we are threatening to stop co-op with EU on defence

Headline: "Britain not threatening Europe over security cooperation - Davis"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-davis-...

Thats called back peddling as they realise how fking clumsy they looked.

The letter was dripping in implied threat.

It was a stupid stunt

These are the people "leading" the country.

I see Hollande has also put May back in her box.

Terrific.

[Jockman]

///ajd said:

I see Hollande has also put May back in her box.

Terrific.

If you need to use Hollande to justify a point then the point was probably not worth making in the first place.

[Balmoral]

///ajd said:

Balmoral said:

///ajd said:

Balmoral said:

///ajd said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...

Mr Weber seems to be unaware that his country has a motor industry and that the UK is it's single biggest customer.

Come on even the express (basic level brexiteering) has seen how the wheels have come off that weak argument

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785168/Ange...

Fair enough, if they aware of the sacrifice, then that's fine.

It was 27% of their entire output in 2015.

Sure about that?

BMW make 2.5million cars / year. Less than 10% of that sold in UK, inc Mini.

Look up production/export/TIV for the four major marques combined.

Also, compare with the next biggest customer (the USA) and then look at the number for the rest of Europe combined, which is less than the UK and USA.

We know that car buying culture is very different in the UK compared to the rest of Europe, we have a huge company car/PCP, 2/3 year change cycle thing going on, which is both unique and baffling to the car buying habits of your typical continental, combine that with the fact that German cars are Premium, and most buyers don't do Premium across the channel, and the numbers/impact is HUGE.

Edited by Balmoral on Thursday 30th March 12:31

[blade runner]

I wonder how the general population and workers of EU countries feel about all this hard line rhetoric coming from Brussels? Given that there's roughly a 50/50 split for and against the EU project in many member countries anyway, do all the 'pro EU' people agree that UK should be punished even if that's at the expense of jobs and prosperity in their home countries?

My bet is probably not and in any case why, in this day and age of generally left leaning, liberal thinking governments, is it suddenly acceptable to target one country for exceptionally harsh treatment just out of spite? This is the sort of playground stuff you got at primary school... The numbers make it clear that it's in the EU's best interest to secure a mutually beneficial deal with the UK - anything else will just be cutting off their nose to spite their face. If that's what they want to do then I guess there is not much we can do about it - but I'd wager they'll be hastening their own demise if that's the road they take.

[Murph7355]

Mrr T said:

I forgot it will need to be much higher so you can pay the 350bn to the NHS.

It was 'm' not 'bn'. Don't exaggerate, it doesn't make a st point less st

Anyway, the NHS already has 350m a week extra AIUI,so job done

[Murph7355]

///ajd said:

Thats called back peddling as they realise how fking clumsy they looked.

The letter was dripping in implied threat.

It was a stupid stunt

These are the people "leading" the country.

I see Hollande has also put May back in her box.

Terrific.

There is only one stupid stunt here today...

[///ajd]

Balmoral said:

///ajd said:

Balmoral said:

///ajd said:

Balmoral said:

///ajd said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brex...

Mr Weber seems to be unaware that his country has a motor industry and that the UK is it's single biggest customer.

Come on even the express (basic level brexiteering) has seen how the wheels have come off that weak argument

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785168/Ange...

Fair enough, if they aware of the sacrifice, then that's fine.

It was 27% of their entire output in 2015.

Sure about that?

BMW make 2.5million cars / year. Less than 10% of that sold in UK, inc Mini.

Look up production/export/TIV for the four major marques combined, then get back to me.

Also, compare with the next biggest customer (the USA) and then look at the number for the rest of Europe combined, which is less than the UK and USA.

We know that car buying culture is very different in the UK compared to the rest of Europe, we have a huge company car/PCP, 2/3 year change cycle thing going on, which is both unique and baffling to the car buying habits of your typical continental, combine that with the fact that German cars are Premium, and most buyers don't do Premium across the channel, and the numbers/impact is HUGE.

Not sure where your numbers are from 2015:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-new...

All big germans in UK well under 200k, Porsche only 12k.

VW make 6-10million cars/year depending what you count, BMW Merc >2m.

I'm not seeing 27% share or anywhere near?

[///ajd]

Jockman said:

///ajd said:

I see Hollande has also put May back in her box.

Terrific.

If you need to use Hollande to justify a point then the point was probably not worth making in the first place.

Its worse than that - when Hollande can make you PM look dafter than he is, you know we're in trouble.

[WinstonWolf]

Murph7355 said:

///ajd said:

Thats called back peddling as they realise how fking clumsy they looked.

The letter was dripping in implied threat.

It was a stupid stunt

These are the people "leading" the country.

I see Hollande has also put May back in her box.

Terrific.

There is only one stupid stunt here today...

He's having an "oh st, we really *are* leaving meltdown.

[768]

///ajd said:

I see Hollande has also put May back in her box.

The unpopular outgoing French President said:

We have for Great Britain an unlimited affection.

[Murph7355]

///ajd said:

Its worse than that - when Hollande can make you PM look dafter than he is, you know we're in trouble.

When that happens we'll let you know.

I'm surprised you still live here/identify as British...

[dandarez]

///ajd said:

Jockman said:

///ajd said:

I see Hollande has also put May back in her box.

Terrific.

If you need to use Hollande to justify a point then the point was probably not worth making in the first place.

Its worse than that - when Hollande can make you PM look dafter than he is, you know we're in trouble.

Hollande is just following the other EU gits and Merkel and they are trying to look tough and take on a de Gaulle approach.
He's left it a tad too late!
Mr 4% is going soon.
He's irrelevant.
Totally.

Even the French people think and say so!