45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[M3333]

968 said:

M3333 said:

https://youtu.be/k8TwRmX6zs4
https://youtu.be/0Km4R377s4M

Oh.

Drain the swamp.

I wonder how that is going to happen given the election of the most corrupt and morally bankrupt president in the history of the US. A meaningless platitude to appeal to the stupid perhaps. Seems to have succeeded.

He has been President for 1 day. The party isn't over and the work hasn't started yet.

You may be right but I will reserve judgement and form my own opinions in 6 to 12 months time.

I was never a labour voter but on every election they won I never based my opinion on speculation and negative press I always based it once they had been in office for a while and on what they had actually implemented in Government and done. Sadly I was always disappointed.

Who knows until Trump has been in office and at least given a chance.

[968]

Stickyfinger said:

You made two statements there, one on morals which is subjective, the other on corruption which is not. Do you have/can you present the evidence for the later ?

I'm sure that's been reported already, his fraudulent activity of the ironically named Trump university for a start. His nepotism in the appointments of his family members, refusal to show his tax returns and oh yes being bankrolled and bailed out by Russia.

But to preempt the thin skinned response, the media are "so unfair!" And "fake news!"

[Stickyfinger]

So no then....

[Stickyfinger]

p1stonhead said:

Stickyfinger said:

You made two statements there, one on morals which is subjective, the other on corruption which is not. Do you have/can you present the evidence for the later ?

Do you have evidence of someone currently 100% dependent on it, going back on globalism and it making the home country richer without rising prices across the various industries?

We know how globalism works and how rich it's made people like Donald Trump whilst screwing a lot of the little guys. Any evidence of it working the other way?

Sources would be good please.

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 21st January 08:44

Time will tell. If the Donald fails the US voters will give their vote in the way they feel reflects his success or failure. There are hopes he can do it in the USA, there are hopes for a similar development in the UK post Brexit, we shall see in the future.

Oh yes I forgot, can I have next weeks winning Loto numbers please.

[bitchstewie]

Loyly said:

bhstewie said:

See that's where I struggle. Grown woman literally having a hissy fit because the other fellow won.

Absolutely hilarious. What an idiot.

I think it's the total lack of dignity that I find hard to reconcile. I've seen some of his supporters interviewed and some are absolutely barking mad but as they said, when Obama won they weren't on the TV wailing how unfair it all was.

Maybe they were and the media just didn't show it, I don't know for sure, but that seems to be the big difference.

I also watched a bit of RT yesterday and was rather surprised as it certainly didn't seem like Russian propaganda or whatever it's supposed to be. They had a commentator who pointed out that there are many people these days, especially the younger ones, who simply weren't alive during the Cold War and Reagan and don't view politics with the necessary nuances.

For them it's like Star Wars (his words) in that the narrative is literally good vs. evil so this time around Hillary was good and Trump was evil and it really is that simple for them.

[turbobloke]

p1stonhead said:

I have said time and time again that Trump won fair and square. But he was less popular with Americans.

It's not possible to know that, the 'popular vote' relates only to those who voted not 'Americans'. The bottom line, devastating for Billary personally and for the Dems strategically is that the no-hoper won and she lost even as the dead cert. Trump isn't my President but I'm pleased that the USA and the world have avoided the appalling potus Clinton (II).

President Trump is now in offive - sore losers can sit back and enjoy the 4- or 8-year ride, or carry on being sore whiny losers. Given the experience over here with the Cameron majority and then Brexit, it's easy to see which alternative will be natural for left-illiberal losers to follow. Snot Fair strikes again. The one positive is that this will maintain and possibly increase the entertainment factor.

[p1stonhead]

Stickyfinger said:

p1stonhead said:

Stickyfinger said:

You made two statements there, one on morals which is subjective, the other on corruption which is not. Do you have/can you present the evidence for the later ?

Do you have evidence of someone currently 100% dependent on it, going back on globalism and it making the home country richer without rising prices across the various industries?

We know how globalism works and how rich it's made people like Donald Trump whilst screwing a lot of the little guys. Any evidence of it working the other way?

Sources would be good please.

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 21st January 08:44

Time will tell. If the Donald fails the US voters will give their vote in the way they feel reflects his success or failure. There are hopes he can do it in the USA, there are hopes for a similar development in the UK post Brexit, we shall see in the future.

Oh yes I forgot, can I have next weeks winning Loto numbers please.

So defensive aren't you

And no examples of anyone trying it before. Didn't expect them you to be honest you are more of a fingers in ears 'la la la ' type.

[minimoog]

Jimbeaux said:

minimoog said:

I have to say that was one of Putin's better speeches. The only surprise was that he got someone else to deliver it.

Honestly, you are becoming more of an idiot with each post.

Perhaps when the transition is complete I'll start to like Trumpy.

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

p1stonhead said:

I have said time and time again that Trump won fair and square. But he was less popular with Americans.

It's not possible to know that, the 'popular vote' relates only to those who voted not 'Americans'. The bottom line, devastating for Billary personally and for the Dems strategically is that the no-hoper won and she lost even as the dead cert. Trump isn't my President but I'm pleased that the USA and the world have avoided the appalling potus Clinton (II).

President Trump is now in offive - sore losers can sit back and enjoy the 4- or 8-year ride, or carry on being sore whiny losers. Given the experience over here with the Cameron majority and then Brexit, it's easy to see which alternative will be natural for left-illiberal losers to follow. The one positive is that this will maintain and possibly increase the entertainment factor.

I thought 'only the people who voted matter'?

On that basis yes she was more popular.

Rather than assuming those who didn't vote would be different than those who did, wouldn't it be more logical to assume half the country was a big enough representative sample to assume the other half would still vote for Hilllary more?

You know on adverts for like beauty products when they say '70% of women agree', they use samples rather than getting an answer from every woman in the entire world?

Trumpets don't get this obviously

[Stickyfinger]

p1stonhead said:

So defensive aren't you

And no examples of anyone trying it before. Didn't expect them you to be honest you are more of a fingers in ears 'la la la ' type.

You still have not let me have those LOTO numbers

[p1stonhead]

Stickyfinger said:

p1stonhead said:

So defensive aren't you

And no examples of anyone trying it before. Didn't expect them you to be honest you are more of a fingers in ears 'la la la ' type.

You still have not let me have those LOTO numbers

Ignoring the question again.

Do you think future patterns are easier to predict based on historical trends or is everything in the world just random?

Are you amazed every year when weather patterns follow previous years across the seasons? Oh my god it's cold in a January in England who could have predicted it?!

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 21st January 08:59

[968]

Stickyfinger said:

So no then....

Actually yes unless you're in total denial. He settled the fraud case because he was guilty so paid them off.

[Stickyfinger]

p1stonhead said:

Ignoring the question again.

Do you think future patterns are easier to predict based on historical trends or is everything in the world just random?

Are you amazed every year when weather patterns follow previous years across the seasons? Oh my god it's cold in a January in England who could have predicted it?!

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 21st January 08:59

I am stopping this now, I am not certain about the future and cannot predict it. Just rinsing the same question{s} over and over again will get no extra certainty from me. As I have said many times I am not a reader of the future with the certainty you seem able to predict. If you wish absolutes, I suggest you ask yourself questions in your own mirror.

[Stickyfinger]

968 said:

Stickyfinger said:

So no then....

Actually yes unless you're in total denial. He settled the fraud case because he was guilty so paid them off.

"He"....?

the other side to vote for was Clinton, two squeaky clean choices then

The USA had TWO dreadful choices, the one with an alternative to the same old st won the top job. Ask why

[anonymous-user]

Stickyfinger said:

The USA had TWO dreadful choices, the one with an alternative to the same old st won the top job. Ask why

That's the way I saw it. The clintons were very dodgy and more of the same. Trump was a bit dodgy but represented change,

There does seem to be an odd ability in the states to ignore many of his statements. It's aparently OK for him to say stuff and then distance himself from it. It's perhaps telling that his employees usually appear to like him. It's difficult to tell at the moment what he really is going to do or what he stands for. Just vague statements about jobs and greatness.

He has a unique opportunity to make changes, good luck to him.

[p1stonhead]

Stickyfinger said:

p1stonhead said:

Ignoring the question again.

Do you think future patterns are easier to predict based on historical trends or is everything in the world just random?

Are you amazed every year when weather patterns follow previous years across the seasons? Oh my god it's cold in a January in England who could have predicted it?!

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 21st January 08:59

I am stopping this now, I am not certain about the future and cannot predict it. Just rinsing the same question{s} over and over again will get no extra certainty from me. As I have said many times I am not a reader of the future with the certainty you seem able to predict. If you wish absolutes, I suggest you ask yourself questions in your own mirror.

Avoiding the question again. I've said always that my opinion is based on historic patterns. Yours isn't.

[Stickyfinger]

I can not predict the future, so no, I can not answer you I accept that.

Lotto numbers ? come on

[p1stonhead]

Stickyfinger said:

I can not predict the future, so no, I can not answer you I accept that.

Lotto numbers ? come on

Asking for lotto numbers kills any credibility you have because you keep going back to 'someone using logic based on historic evidence to explain their point is clearly using magic'

[anonymous-user]

Stickyfinger said:

968 said:

Stickyfinger said:

So no then....

Actually yes unless you're in total denial. He settled the fraud case because he was guilty so paid them off.

"He"....?

the other side to vote for was Clinton, two squeaky clean choices then

The USA had TWO dreadful choices, the one with an alternative to the same old st won the top job. Ask why

From Thank You For Smoking:

said:

Joey Naylor: ...so what happens when you're wrong?
Nick Naylor: Whoa, Joey I'm never wrong.
Joey Naylor: But you can't always be right...
Nick Naylor: Well, if it's your job to be right, then you're never wrong.
Joey Naylor: But what if you are wrong?
Nick Naylor: OK, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavour ice-cream', you'd say...
Joey Naylor: No, chocolate is.
Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the all of ice-cream, do you?
Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other.
Nick Naylor: Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it?
Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need.
Nick Naylor: Well, I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom. And choice when it comes to our ice-cream, and that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty.
Joey Naylor: But that's not what we're talking about
Nick Naylor: Ah! But that's what I'm talking about.
Joey Naylor: ...but you didn't prove that vanilla was the best...
Nick Naylor: I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right.
Joey Naylor: But you still didn't convince me
Nick Naylor: It's that I'm not after you. I'm after them.
[points into the crowd]

Basically how Trump did it. And enough Americans fell for it. If your educational system is sub-mediocre, sooner or later you pay the price.

[K12beano]

Is Mrs Clinton in jail yet