45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.
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Jimbeaux said:
jsf said:
Jimbeaux said:
Travelling from state to state is akin to Europeans going from country to country.
It's really isn't Jim.
You don't see the same variation in the USA as the culture is far more uniform, you obviously see differences, but its nothing like the same level as you see across Europe.
Jimbeaux said:
Six years and you are an expert?? And you call us clowns. 
That's just a ridiculous response. By that logic, only your opinion is valid as you're the only born an bred yank, sorry Cajun (aka Canadian immigrant 
) posting here.Anyway, there are of course quite a few differences in cultures north, south, east and west. But overall they're just variations of the same underlying theme. NOLA is a fair bit different than Chicago for example, but they're still very much obviously American places. You go out into the burbs and it's largely indistinguishable, physically and culturally. The cultural diversity across the landmass doesn't compare to that of Europe, not by a long way.
In this past election all the major metro areas voted democratic (not just the east and west coasts), of that there is no doubt. However the electoral college system basically makes an individuals vote in a dense metro area worth less than a vote cast out in the boonies. Couple that with the fact that the vast majority of tax revenue is also generated by the metro areas, and it's a double kick in the teeth for city dwellers. In short, live in the country and contribute less, get a vote that's worth more. Now that's a rigged system, that this time around unwhittingly worked in favor of Trumputin and his baying country Trumpkins.
dvs_dave said:
Jimbeaux said:
Six years and you are an expert?? And you call us clowns.
In this past election all the major metro areas voted democratic (not just the east and west coasts), of that there is no doubt. However the electoral college system basically makes an individuals vote in a dense metro area worth less than a vote cast out in the boonies. Couple that with the fact that the vast majority of tax revenue is also generated by the metro areas, and it's a double kick in the teeth for city dwellers. In short, live in the country and contribute less, get a vote that's worth more. Now that's a rigged system, that this time around unwhittingly worked in favor of Trumputin and his baying country Trumpkins. The amusing part is that without Califorina, HRC lost the poplular vote by 1.4 million.
scherzkeks said:
The EC is a fairer system than one person one vote. That is why we have it. It is a good way to give proportional representation to less populated areas. Your spin on it has no logic whatsoever, other than that of a disgruntled individual.
The amusing part is that without Califorina, HRC lost the poplular vote by 1.4 million.
It's "differently fair" than one person one vote. As you've said, it gives a lot of weight to the big cities and that would probably lead to rural areas being neglected. That said, it's the cities that provide most of the money to pay for the rural areas. It's a complicated issue. The amusing part is that without Califorina, HRC lost the poplular vote by 1.4 million.
davepoth said:
scherzkeks said:
The EC is a fairer system than one person one vote. That is why we have it. It is a good way to give proportional representation to less populated areas. Your spin on it has no logic whatsoever, other than that of a disgruntled individual.
The amusing part is that without Califorina, HRC lost the poplular vote by 1.4 million.
It's "differently fair" than one person one vote. As you've said, it gives a lot of weight to the big cities and that would probably lead to rural areas being neglected. That said, it's the cities that provide most of the money to pay for the rural areas. It's a complicated issue. The amusing part is that without Califorina, HRC lost the poplular vote by 1.4 million.
As an American, I find the uproar around the issue particularly funny. The losing party complains about the EC nearly every election. Obama was praising it until the neocon shill lost.
Edited by scherzkeks on Saturday 14th January 22:38
Greg66 said:
That is precisely an "if my auntie had b
ks she'd be my uncle" comment.
Or if meant as a serious observation, amusing because people will hear it and laugh at you.
Do not forgot the extra votes were likely accounted to dead people and illegal votes.ks she'd be my uncle" comment. Or if meant as a serious observation, amusing because people will hear it and laugh at you.
The vast majority of people are not dumb enough to vote for that criminal scumbag. The establishment will stop at nothing. No f**ks given, we are taking America back.
scherzkeks said:
No, it is unfair, just as the citizens united ruling was unfair. A society needs balanced representation of views, not just the views of monied interests. With the EC, there is also an extra layer of security in the form of the electors.
As an American, I find the uproar around the issue particularly funny. The losing party complains about the EC nearly every election. Obama was praising it until the neocon shill lost.
There is unfairness inherent in saying that one person's vote is more important than someone else's, which is in effect what the electoral college does. Most countries use one man one vote, and even the UK regularly redistricts to attempt to equalise the power of a single vote in general elections.As an American, I find the uproar around the issue particularly funny. The losing party complains about the EC nearly every election. Obama was praising it until the neocon shill lost.
Edited by scherzkeks on Saturday 14th January 22:38
In the original framing it was a compromise, as the southern states would not stand for "negroes" voting for the president. Added to that, the three-fifths compromise would give them more votes in the electoral college without having to allow the slaves to vote. Here are the relevant proceedings of the constitutional convention.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llfr&a...
As it turns out the compromise they made nearly 250 years ago works for other reasons these days.
The other point about the electoral college is that it wasn't originally a rubber stamping exercise. The founding fathers imagined a large field of potential presidential candidates, and the electors were not tied to a particular candidate by their state's vote. They were given the duty of choosing on the electorate's behalf.
One of the big problems of the electoral college is that IMV it has contributed to the polarisation of the country. The Republicans have essentially given up on big urban areas, and the Democrats have done the same in rural areas. A one man one vote system would force the Republican party to attract votes from the cities, which would mean a moderation in their perspective.
Cutting through the "you lost, suck it up" rhetoric as it's the same whichever side wins. (besides as a filthy immigrant myself, I can't vote anyway, therefore my opinion is by definition impartial)
The electoral college system is broken for the very good reasons previously given, the chief amongst which being that not all votes are equal. That's simply unfair, whichever way you look at it.
Perhaps country folk should pay higher tax rates instead, seen as they currently get more of a say in who runs the country.
The electoral college system is broken for the very good reasons previously given, the chief amongst which being that not all votes are equal. That's simply unfair, whichever way you look at it.
Perhaps country folk should pay higher tax rates instead, seen as they currently get more of a say in who runs the country.
Edited by dvs_dave on Sunday 15th January 01:49
5ohmustang said:
Do not forgot the extra votes were likely accounted to dead people and illegal votes.
The vast majority of people are not dumb enough to vote for that criminal scumbag. The establishment will stop at nothing. No f**ks given, we are taking America back.
The vast majority of people are not dumb enough to vote for that criminal scumbag. The establishment will stop at nothing. No f**ks given, we are taking America back.
The rhetoric is comedy gold. 
Jimbeaux said:
You just exposed your lack of knowledge. "East, West, North, and South" as the only "tribes" is inaccurate. There are numerous "sub-tribes" that exist. Not a hit on you, you touched on definite categories; however, one would need to spend the better part of 20 years and getting around to really understand the many cultures that exist within those mega-categories you mentioned.
Spot on. As I've said I live in the lower Appalachians mountains. Within the mountains there are different subcultures, traditions, heritage etc. The East Tennessee side is different to the North Carolina side. It is not like either side of the Peak District, I.e. Manchester and Nottingham. Take a holiday and drive across America. Obviously the scenery, climate and terrain changes. Live here for a while and travel, you will see vast differences.
Now live in a city, they are all very similar and have a common trait. Liberal elitism. If you do not fit into their ideals they will find a label for you that usually ends in ist.
Totally off topic I'm currently in a hotel, some crap movie is on and Meryl Streep's just came on, what a bold faced liar!!!! And a crap actor! This is why I never watch TV. The other week I was in a civilian doctor's office and the tv was left on Ellen Degenerate. My head nearly exploded. Who watches this s
te and thinks it's entertaining. It was the true essence of programming. I always wonder what motivates people like Trump to be president.
Aged 70, billions in the bank, nice wife & family / families.
Whatever your views on his politics, why does he bother to open himself up to hassle for the rest of his life, i kind of think he didn't think he'd win & regrets it now
Aged 70, billions in the bank, nice wife & family / families.
Whatever your views on his politics, why does he bother to open himself up to hassle for the rest of his life, i kind of think he didn't think he'd win & regrets it now
5ohmustang said:
Now live in a city, they are all very similar and have a common trait. Liberal elitism. If you do not fit into their ideals they will find a label for you that usually ends in ist.
Presumahly that arrogant self-anointed mindset is what's motivating people in Washington DC to demonstrate how out of touch they are firstly by backing a loser - OK a lot of voters would end up that way whoever became president elect - but then protesting democracy. Forget liberal elite, authoritarian fkwits is much closer to it. The right to demonstrate is one thing, but demonstrating your lack of respect for a democratic outcome is loser material, as per Billary. A well-matched assocation if ever there was one.davepoth said:
5ohmustang said:
Take a holiday and drive across America. Obviously the scenery, climate and terrain changes. Live here for a while and travel, you will see vast differences.
I did. And I stand by my comments.
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