45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[Northern Munkee]

jsf said:

and now the BBC is doing a smear job. It's all a bit sad really.

And yet at the same time a much more interesting programme appears on BBC4 that perhaps sheds an awful lot of light on the US's paranoia with hacking and cyber warfare pops up, and once again it appears the US appears to be the biggest culprit, certainly letting the genie out of the bottle. And it's signed off, after a fashion by the nice Mr.Obama.

Storyville, Zero Day: Nuclear Cyber Sabotage: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08bcc18 via @bbciplayer

[anonymous-user]

Northern Munkee said:

Jon Snow even used the word "Armageddon" 20mims after my post to ask Paul Auster a question AICMFP, who in turn said "I just have a feeling that Putin has something on Trump" and yes he might, it's a possibility that I would concede, on the other hand, and perhaps more likely, this might also be liberal (it's the US) tin foil hattedness.

I'm now enjoying a Dispatches expose of Trumps "Dirty Secrets" I haven't seen anything yet, it's all in the public domain.

I missed the Dispatches thing. I didn't chance Newsnight
The anti trumpettes must have been well happy it was like choosing your own favourite viewing for the night.

[Gogoplata]

Troubleatmill said:

I am warming to him.

There really is a chance he can really do a lot of good.
He is lining up a lot of heavy hitters around him

Just keep him away from twitter (pretty please )and the big red button...... (really pretty please ) and he could just might.... make the world a better place.


Twitter feeds will stop when he is sworn in.
He win dial it down a notch.
But.. he isn't going to be passive.

I don't think that the secret service (or whoever) allow the President to have a personal smart phone anyway. IIRC Obama commented on this when he wanted a selfie with Ray Mears on his show.

[hidetheelephants]

El stovey said:

minimoog said:

jjlynn27 said:

"It's gonna be great(care)!"

This is what he actually said:

Trump said:

It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered.

Beautifully covered.

It's a beautiful thing.

Bigly.

[greygoose]

Gogoplata said:

Troubleatmill said:

I am warming to him.

There really is a chance he can really do a lot of good.
He is lining up a lot of heavy hitters around him

Just keep him away from twitter (pretty please )and the big red button...... (really pretty please ) and he could just might.... make the world a better place.


Twitter feeds will stop when he is sworn in.
He win dial it down a notch.
But.. he isn't going to be passive.

I don't think that the secret service (or whoever) allow the President to have a personal smart phone anyway. IIRC Obama commented on this when he wanted a selfie with Ray Mears on his show.

Bear Grylls wasn't it, seemed one of the few good things about being President that you didn't have a phone.

[amusingduck]

Gogoplata said:

Troubleatmill said:

I am warming to him.

There really is a chance he can really do a lot of good.
He is lining up a lot of heavy hitters around him

Just keep him away from twitter (pretty please )and the big red button...... (really pretty please ) and he could just might.... make the world a better place.


Twitter feeds will stop when he is sworn in.
He win dial it down a notch.
But.. he isn't going to be passive.

I don't think that the secret service (or whoever) allow the President to have a personal smart phone anyway. IIRC Obama commented on this when he wanted a selfie with Ray Mears on his show.

IIRC Obama had a blackberry

Also, "that's not allowed" didn't stop Hillary from using an insecure smartphone - and she was 'only' the Secretary of State.

[ajprice]

Apologies if it's a repost but I didn't see this in the last few pages. The listing for the inauguration in the Scottish Sunday Herald TV guide. From Facebook, I think the original post was Billy Bragg.

[Efbe]

greygoose said:

Gogoplata said:

Troubleatmill said:

I am warming to him.

There really is a chance he can really do a lot of good.
He is lining up a lot of heavy hitters around him

Just keep him away from twitter (pretty please )and the big red button...... (really pretty please ) and he could just might.... make the world a better place.


Twitter feeds will stop when he is sworn in.
He win dial it down a notch.
But.. he isn't going to be passive.

I don't think that the secret service (or whoever) allow the President to have a personal smart phone anyway. IIRC Obama commented on this when he wanted a selfie with Ray Mears on his show.

Bear Grylls wasn't it, seemed one of the few good things about being President that you didn't have a phone.

I hate to break it to you guys, Trump is showing no decline in ridiculous twitter use, and you can still do twitter on a computer.

Whilst I think his use of twitter is usually pathetic, childish and embarrassing, It does serve one good point for him, which is to bypass the media and PR depts entirely.

Back in the UK most people think May is a silent thatcher, and Corbyn is a communist wet rag. When you actually hear what they say this is way off the mark, but this is the view offered up by our media. We are governed by it, everything we know about them is completely controlled so it is not our view of them, but the media's view. What do you actually know about them directly? Should May or Corbyn start on this egotistical tweeting, which as abhorrent as I may think it is, we would actually get to meet them, for better or for worse.
Twitter has enabled people to hear, understand and relate to Trump. He has a personality. I don't think we can say that for May or Corbyn.

[Stickyfinger]

ajprice said:

Apologies if it's a repost but I didn't see this in the last few pages.

but you had time to type...ONE page back ?....lazy bugg4r

[scherzkeks]

Northern Munkee said:

... Paul Auster a question AICMFP, who in turn said "I just have a feeling that Putin has something on Trump" and yes he might, it's a possibility that I would concede.

Putin is just the latest in a long line of boogeymen manufactured for the consent of the masses.

And, as so often, it is also a case of projection to deflect from our anti-democratic activities abroad, specifically Ukraine.

[chris watton]

I recorded Silent Witness for my wife last night, and the recording caught the last 5 minutes of the programme before, no idea what it was, but it seemed like a hatchet job on Trump, bringing up the (unverified) allegations of him and Putin. The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

Compare these types of stories to Obama, who the BBC (and other media corps) seemed to suggest he was actually the second coming. I do not recall one negative news story.! No wonder trump prefers to have his thoughts 'unfiltered'

[Countdown]

scherzkeks said:

Putin is just the latest in a long line of boogeymen manufactured for the consent of the masses.

And, as so often, it is also a case of projection to deflect from our anti-democratic activities abroad, specifically Ukraine.

I’m sure the people of Georgia, the Ukraine, the Baltic States and Poland all share your view that he’s a Bogeyman manufactured by the Western MSM
On a slightly separate note I think it’s accepted that Trump is the most pro-Russian PEOTUS there has ever been. Was he always pro-Russian or did he have a change of heart after he visited Moscow?

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

scherzkeks said:

Putin is just the latest in a long line of boogeymen manufactured for the consent of the masses.

And, as so often, it is also a case of projection to deflect from our anti-democratic activities abroad, specifically Ukraine.

I’m sure the people of Georgia, the Ukraine, the Baltic States and Poland all share your view that he’s a Bogeyman manufactured by the Western MSM
On a slightly separate note I think it’s accepted that Trump is the most pro-Russian PEOTUS there has ever been. Was he always pro-Russian or did he have a change of heart after he visited Moscow?

That's critical and will make all the difference to whatever manufactured viewpoint happens to be the illiberal losers' order of the day with popcorn to go.

[scherzkeks]

chris watton said:

The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'

That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbir...

[p1stonhead]

scherzkeks said:

chris watton said:

The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'

That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbir...

You are right

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who never attended Columbia University.
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
Ted Cruz's father was involved in a plot to kill President Kennedy.
The Central Park 5 are guilty and deserve the death penalty (1989).
The Central Park 5 are still guilty, against all evidence (2013 to present).
Thousands and thousands of Muslims were cheering in New Jersey on 9/11.
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was murdered.
Fabricated black murder rates.
Millions of people in the U.S. voted illegally on November 8.
Climate change is a trick pulled on us by the Chinese.
Vaccines cause autism.
Marco Rubio is ineligible to be president.

[amusingduck]

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

chris watton said:

The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'

That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.

You are right

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

...
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
...

To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.

[p1stonhead]

amusingduck said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

chris watton said:

The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'

That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.

You are right

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

...
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
...

To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.

Didnt she have pneumonia and recovered? Why should he have been claiming she was unfit to be president without any facts?

Its no different to the current allegations against him which he slams for not being 'facts'. Him repeating 'fake news' every day makes him look like an idiot. He does it all the time himself.

Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 17th January 09:46

Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 17th January 09:48

[chrispmartha]

p1stonhead said:

amusingduck said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

chris watton said:

The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'

That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.

You are right

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

...
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
...

To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.

Didnt she have pheumonia and recovered? Why should he have been claiming she was unfit to be president without any facts?

Its no different to the current allegations against him which he slams for not being 'facts'.

He's a massive hypocrite and acts like a spoilt child, which he probably was.

[Efbe]

amusingduck said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

chris watton said:

The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'

That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.

You are right

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

...
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
...

To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.

why post that? irrelevant and pointless. much like this post, apart from obviously trying to start another Hillary vs Trump debate.

[amusingduck]

p1stonhead said:

amusingduck said:

p1stonhead said:

scherzkeks said:

chris watton said:

The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'

That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.

You are right

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

...
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
...

To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.

Didnt she have pneumonia and recovered? Why should he have been claiming she was unfit to be president without any facts?

The pneumonia explanation wasn't announced until a few days after she collapsed on 9/11 (which was after all the other incidents which made her health appear questionable).