45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

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p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
chris watton said:
The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

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That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.
You are right wink

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

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Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
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To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
Didnt she have pneumonia and recovered? Why should he have been claiming she was unfit to be president without any facts?
The pneumonia explanation wasn't announced until a few days after she collapsed on 9/11 (which was after all the other incidents which made her health appear questionable).
So just go all out and say she is unfit before knowing what was actually wrong? Yep sounds like 'FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!' to me.

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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p1stonhead said:
amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
chris watton said:
The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'
That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.
You are right wink

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

...
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
...
To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
Didnt she have pneumonia and recovered? Why should he have been claiming she was unfit to be president without any facts?
The pneumonia explanation wasn't announced until a few days after she collapsed on 9/11 (which was after all the other incidents which made her health appear questionable).
So just go all out and say she is unfit before knowing what was actually wrong? Yep sounds like 'FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!' to me.
You can make the argument either way to be honest.

Her side maintained that she was as fit as a butchers dog, unwaveringly, despite evidence to the contrary.

I don't think it qualifies as fake news, regardless of which way it's slanted

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
chris watton said:
The 'journalist' concluded that, even if the allegations are completely false, this still could damage Trump and there will always be the suggestion that they are true, and he is now tainted!

'
That is the entire point. This is why the MSM is flooded with fake news in which the authors hide behind terms like "alleged." The avoid legal repercussions and plant seeds.

To be fair though, fake news is not new. The CIA has planted journalists in major news outlets for decades. See Operation Mockingbird.
You are right wink

Trump has done his fair share of alleging or insinuating things hasnt he!

...
Hillary Clinton was too ill to serve as president.
...
To be fair, she did a great job of that herself. Wobbly eyes, freezing up, coughing big globs of phlegm into a glass on stage, and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
Didnt she have pneumonia and recovered? Why should he have been claiming she was unfit to be president without any facts?
The pneumonia explanation wasn't announced until a few days after she collapsed on 9/11 (which was after all the other incidents which made her health appear questionable).
So just go all out and say she is unfit before knowing what was actually wrong? Yep sounds like 'FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!' to me.
You can make the argument either way to be honest.

Her side maintained that she was as fit as a butchers dog, unwaveringly, despite evidence to the contrary.
You can defend the hypocrite any way you want too. Lots of Trump supporters do it no matter what he does.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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amusingduck said:
... and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
CNN said:
Hey, how did you see that part! We edited that out!

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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scherzkeks said:
amusingduck said:
... and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
CNN said:
Hey, how did you see that part! We edited that out!
And even if they were trying to hide this bit, what effect does it have on him stating she was unfit without knowing any facts? He simply made up something and put it out there. I thought this little recent discussion was about his utter, public and constant hatred for people talking about unsubstantiated things?



Edited by p1stonhead on Tuesday 17th January 10:10

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
amusingduck said:
... and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
CNN said:
Hey, how did you see that part! We edited that out!
And even if they were trying to hide this bit, what effect does it have on him stating she was unfit without knowing any facts? He simply made up something and put it out there.
His claim was that she didn't have the stamina. It was fair to make the claim. She didn't do pressers for some 270 days, was photographed and filmed being assisted while standing on multiple occasions, had a fainting incident and a near fainting in NYC, multiple seizure-like episodes. Aside from that we know she has a history of head trauma and underwent treatment.

What is the issue?

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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scherzkeks said:
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
amusingduck said:
... and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
CNN said:
Hey, how did you see that part! We edited that out!
And even if they were trying to hide this bit, what effect does it have on him stating she was unfit without knowing any facts? He simply made up something and put it out there.
His claim was that she didn't have the stamina. It was fair to make the claim. She didn't do pressers for some 270 days, was photographed and filmed being assisted while standing on multiple occasions, had a fainting incident and a near fainting in NYC, multiple seizure-like episodes. Aside from that we know she has a history of head trauma and underwent treatment.

What is the issue?
How was it fair to 'claim' anything without facts? If it was a fact she was ill, wouldnt a decent person wish her a speedy recovery rather than try to use it to bury her?

Didnt papers recently 'claim' he had a stream (sorry) of dodgy deals with Russia and he went apest? - What is the issue?

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
amusingduck said:
... and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
CNN said:
Hey, how did you see that part! We edited that out!
And even if they were trying to hide this bit, what effect does it have on him stating she was unfit without knowing any facts? He simply made up something and put it out there.
His claim was that she didn't have the stamina. It was fair to make the claim. She didn't do pressers for some 270 days, was photographed and filmed being assisted while standing on multiple occasions, had a fainting incident and a near fainting in NYC, multiple seizure-like episodes. Aside from that we know she has a history of head trauma and underwent treatment.

What is the issue?
How was it fair to 'claim' anything without facts? If it was a fact she was ill, wouldnt a decent person wish her a speedy recovery rather than try to use it to bury her?

Didnt papers recently 'claim' he had a stream (sorry) of dodgy deals with Russia and he went apest?
Did they ever factually prove that Trump was doing cocaine during the debates? Not to my knowledge. Didn't stop it from being claimed and widely reported though.

mashable said:
In the interview, much to everyone's surprise, Trump gave a very general, and extremely diplomatic reply to Hillary's pneumonia diagnosis. He told Fox & Friends, "The coughing fit was a week ago, so I assume that was pneumonia also ... Something's going on but I just hope she gets well and gets back on the trail and we'll be seeing her at the debate."
There you go - Trump is now a decent person by your standards smile

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
p1stonhead said:
scherzkeks said:
amusingduck said:
... and of course collapsing on 9/11 and getting tossed into a van like a side of beef.
CNN said:
Hey, how did you see that part! We edited that out!
And even if they were trying to hide this bit, what effect does it have on him stating she was unfit without knowing any facts? He simply made up something and put it out there.
His claim was that she didn't have the stamina. It was fair to make the claim. She didn't do pressers for some 270 days, was photographed and filmed being assisted while standing on multiple occasions, had a fainting incident and a near fainting in NYC, multiple seizure-like episodes. Aside from that we know she has a history of head trauma and underwent treatment.

What is the issue?
How was it fair to 'claim' anything without facts? If it was a fact she was ill, wouldnt a decent person wish her a speedy recovery rather than try to use it to bury her?

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Where did he say she was ill? He said she did not have the stamina to run based on her performance.

Also, IIRC, he did wish her a speedy recovery after she was tossed into that van like a side of beef in NYC.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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amusingduck said:
Did they ever factually prove that Trump was doing cocaine during the debates? Not to my knowledge. Didn't stop it from being claimed and widely reported though.
I wasnt saying it was right that it was claimed. Im saying that he cant make things up himself and then be annoyed when people do it back.

amusingduck said:
mashable said:
In the interview, much to everyone's surprise, Trump gave a very general, and extremely diplomatic reply to Hillary's pneumonia diagnosis. He told Fox & Friends, "The coughing fit was a week ago, so I assume that was pneumonia also ... Something's going on but I just hope she gets well and gets back on the trail and we'll be seeing her at the debate."
There you go - Trump is now a decent person by your standards smile
No, he was caught in a lie and had to backtrack once he knew it was pneumonia. To be decent he wouldnt have said she was unfit without knowing if she was or not.

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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p1stonhead said:
I wasnt saying it was right that it was claimed. Im saying that he cant make things up himself and then be annoyed when people do it back.

No, he was caught in a lie and had to backtrack once he knew it was pneumonia. To be decent he wouldnt have said she was unfit without knowing if she was or not.
What are you talking about?

What lie was he caught in? Specifically.

Hillary has documented health issues (ie - fainting spells) dating back over 10 years. Why are you so convinced that her health issues are something that were first raised during the 2016 election, and that Trump was the person who raised them?

Sounds like you've been reading that fake news hehe

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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amusingduck said:
p1stonhead said:
I wasnt saying it was right that it was claimed. Im saying that he cant make things up himself and then be annoyed when people do it back.

No, he was caught in a lie and had to backtrack once he knew it was pneumonia. To be decent he wouldnt have said she was unfit without knowing if she was or not.
What are you talking about?

What lie was he caught in? Specifically.

Hillary has documented health issues (ie - fainting spells) dating back over 10 years. Why are you so convinced that her health issues are something that were first raised during the 2016 election, and that Trump was the person who raised them?

Sounds like you've been reading that fake news hehe
Uh, TRUMP HIMSELF said she was unfit. That was made up as he couldnt have possibly known.

Once he knew it was pneumonia, he wished her well after spouting that she was unfit to hold office.

How about addressing any of the other lies on the list I originally posted?

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

104 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Lets be real....they ALL lied and talked minor points into big problems.

The US elections were even more of a car crash than the Brexit. The need to talk at the lowest common dominator was embarrassing for both of our countries.

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
Lets be real....they ALL lied and talked minor points into big problems.

The US elections were even more of a car crash than the Brexit. The need to talk at the lowest common dominator was embarrassing for both of our countries.
100% agree. So why does he get so annoyed about it hehe

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
Lets be real....they ALL lied and talked minor points into big problems.

The US elections were even more of a car crash than the Brexit. The need to talk at the lowest common dominator was embarrassing for both of our countries.
Well as most of us know, they always do to varying degrees. The point I was making that sparked all of this is that our press is not free. It is controlled and in this election marched in lockstep to a degree unseen in my lifetime.

Any individual who cares about liberty would be concerned by this, regardless of political affiliation.

walm

10,609 posts

201 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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scherzkeks said:
Stickyfinger said:
Lets be real....they ALL lied...
Well as most of us know, they always do to varying degrees.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

104 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Agree, the BBC and a lot of the other media (esp the Tv) is populated by "politically motivated" journalists passing off their own agenda as independent analysis. It is this that is failing the people and our ability to make a choice, you really do have to work very hard to gain a balanced view. Even Songs of Praise managed to get involved on Sunday !

walm said:
scherzkeks said:
Stickyfinger said:
Lets be real....they ALL lied...
Well as most of us know, they always do to varying degrees.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/
Half, 1/4 truth ?....wtf is that, is that almost perfect ?



Edited by Stickyfinger on Tuesday 17th January 13:39

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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walm said:
scherzkeks said:
Stickyfinger said:
Lets be real....they ALL lied...
Well as most of us know, they always do to varying degrees.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/
Propaganda outlet that nicely dovetails with the part of my post you edited out. PF is funded by prominent Clinton Foundation megadonor Pierre Omidyar.

As always, follow the money.

walm

10,609 posts

201 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
Half, 1/4 truth ?....wtf is that, is that almost perfect ?
Dunno - I just like that they distinguish between a lie and "pants-on-fire"!

minimoog

6,851 posts

218 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Stickyfinger said:
Half, 1/4 truth ?....wtf is that, is that almost perfect ?
Are you genuinely unable to comprehend what half true or mostly false means?

No wonder he won with fans like you around.

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