45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.
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scherzkeks said:
I disagree. A good part of the attraction of cheap goods is the marketing we have been subjected to for decades now -- the mentality that we all deserve as many new, shiny objects as our hearts desire. The only way to satiate this kind of mentality is to provide cheap goods in bulk. There are even psychological disorders associated with this brand of hyperconsumerism.
Though American, I live in Germany, where the mentality is very different. Germans do like low prices of course, but they don't like poor quality, nor do they have the throw-away mentality of Americans (and Brits.
The mentality is to buy as little as possible, but the best quality at the best price. This results in most people buying on sale or buying used. Second hand shops are frequented by people of all classes here, and many used goods can sell for relatively high prices comparatively.
It is also worth noting that Germany still has a strong domestic manufacturing base, and laws that protect a well-paid and educated workforce.
Indeed, the Germans doing it right. Winning! Though American, I live in Germany, where the mentality is very different. Germans do like low prices of course, but they don't like poor quality, nor do they have the throw-away mentality of Americans (and Brits.
The mentality is to buy as little as possible, but the best quality at the best price. This results in most people buying on sale or buying used. Second hand shops are frequented by people of all classes here, and many used goods can sell for relatively high prices comparatively.
It is also worth noting that Germany still has a strong domestic manufacturing base, and laws that protect a well-paid and educated workforce.
Halb said:
scherzkeks said:
I disagree. A good part of the attraction of cheap goods is the marketing we have been subjected to for decades now -- the mentality that we all deserve as many new, shiny objects as our hearts desire. The only way to satiate this kind of mentality is to provide cheap goods in bulk. There are even psychological disorders associated with this brand of hyperconsumerism.
Though American, I live in Germany, where the mentality is very different. Germans do like low prices of course, but they don't like poor quality, nor do they have the throw-away mentality of Americans (and Brits.
The mentality is to buy as little as possible, but the best quality at the best price. This results in most people buying on sale or buying used. Second hand shops are frequented by people of all classes here, and many used goods can sell for relatively high prices comparatively.
It is also worth noting that Germany still has a strong domestic manufacturing base, and laws that protect a well-paid and educated workforce.
Indeed, the Germans doing it right. Winning! Though American, I live in Germany, where the mentality is very different. Germans do like low prices of course, but they don't like poor quality, nor do they have the throw-away mentality of Americans (and Brits.
The mentality is to buy as little as possible, but the best quality at the best price. This results in most people buying on sale or buying used. Second hand shops are frequented by people of all classes here, and many used goods can sell for relatively high prices comparatively.
It is also worth noting that Germany still has a strong domestic manufacturing base, and laws that protect a well-paid and educated workforce.
Stickyfinger said:
OK, Lacking the ability to keep calm and understand that others have independent thoughts that do not agree with you and that YOUR own thoughts and conclusions are not always the same as others. I will allow you to add your own label.
So people who disagree with you are disabled. Got it.- Even though you have completely changed the reason why you said it which was orignally because I didnt understand the way you phrased a question.
superkartracer said:
Halb said:
superkartracer said:
I think you have the Yanks and Brits mixed-up , the Brits are very much like Germans , we tend to purchase quality stuff over cheap crap hence all the negative comments regards cheap china tat.
I don't.Halb said:
superkartracer said:
Halb said:
superkartracer said:
I think you have the Yanks and Brits mixed-up , the Brits are very much like Germans , we tend to purchase quality stuff over cheap crap hence all the negative comments regards cheap china tat.
I don't.
scherzkeks said:
superkartracer said:
Halb said:
superkartracer said:
I think you have the Yanks and Brits mixed-up , the Brits are very much like Germans , we tend to purchase quality stuff over cheap crap hence all the negative comments regards cheap china tat.
I don't.p1stonhead said:
Stickyfinger said:
Nope, get back on topic Mr Angry
Didnt think so - it would be embarrasing for you. Just like Trump.Poor little snowflake being upset about being called a child yet openly uses disabilities as insults.
How about answer the question as you pressed me to even though yours made no sense?
Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 18th January 10:33
Drclarke said:
p1stonhead said:
Stickyfinger said:
Nope, get back on topic Mr Angry
Didnt think so - it would be embarrasing for you. Just like Trump.Poor little snowflake being upset about being called a child yet openly uses disabilities as insults.
How about answer the question as you pressed me to even though yours made no sense?
Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 18th January 10:33
Why do Trum supporters believe everything made outside the USA is tat?
Take Fender who make a variety of guitars and amplifers, they produce items in various countries this means they can sell items at various price points, one of their biggest sellers are guitars called made in mexico (oh the horror) they sell these at a mid price point as they aren't made in the USA (their highest price point) does anyone seriously think they will be happy if they are taxed to hogh heaven if they don't manufacture instruments in the USA, it will screw their whole business model and be really detrimental to the consumer, its a nonsense
Take Fender who make a variety of guitars and amplifers, they produce items in various countries this means they can sell items at various price points, one of their biggest sellers are guitars called made in mexico (oh the horror) they sell these at a mid price point as they aren't made in the USA (their highest price point) does anyone seriously think they will be happy if they are taxed to hogh heaven if they don't manufacture instruments in the USA, it will screw their whole business model and be really detrimental to the consumer, its a nonsense
chrispmartha said:
Why do Trum supporters believe everything made outside the USA is tat?
Take Fender who make a variety of guitars and amplifers, they produce items in various countries this means they can sell items at various price points, one of their biggest sellers are guitars called made in mexico (oh the horror) they sell these at a mid price point as they aren't made in the USA (their highest price point) does anyone seriously think they will be happy if they are taxed to hogh heaven if they don't manufacture instruments in the USA, it will screw their whole business model and be really detrimental to the consumer, its a nonsense
I think the argument goes like this.Take Fender who make a variety of guitars and amplifers, they produce items in various countries this means they can sell items at various price points, one of their biggest sellers are guitars called made in mexico (oh the horror) they sell these at a mid price point as they aren't made in the USA (their highest price point) does anyone seriously think they will be happy if they are taxed to hogh heaven if they don't manufacture instruments in the USA, it will screw their whole business model and be really detrimental to the consumer, its a nonsense
Protectionism will boost home-grown manufacturing and jobs - that's good.
The downside is that prices will have to rise, since it's more expensive to manufacture in the US vs China/Mexico/etc...
But despite decades of evidence to the contrary and well documented (not to mention obvious) price elasticity, demand will remain on its current growth trajectory.
And of course, people buying just as much at a higher price will find the money from... well... perhaps their new manufacturing job? (Everyone else not employed by the new manufacturing just has to suck up the higher prices.)
Therefore, there are no downsides to protectionism.
walm said:
chrispmartha said:
Why do Trum supporters believe everything made outside the USA is tat?
Take Fender who make a variety of guitars and amplifers, they produce items in various countries this means they can sell items at various price points, one of their biggest sellers are guitars called made in mexico (oh the horror) they sell these at a mid price point as they aren't made in the USA (their highest price point) does anyone seriously think they will be happy if they are taxed to hogh heaven if they don't manufacture instruments in the USA, it will screw their whole business model and be really detrimental to the consumer, its a nonsense
I think the argument goes like this.Take Fender who make a variety of guitars and amplifers, they produce items in various countries this means they can sell items at various price points, one of their biggest sellers are guitars called made in mexico (oh the horror) they sell these at a mid price point as they aren't made in the USA (their highest price point) does anyone seriously think they will be happy if they are taxed to hogh heaven if they don't manufacture instruments in the USA, it will screw their whole business model and be really detrimental to the consumer, its a nonsense
Protectionism will boost home-grown manufacturing and jobs - that's good.
The downside is that prices will have to rise, since it's more expensive to manufacture in the US vs China/Mexico/etc...
But despite decades of evidence to the contrary and well documented (not to mention obvious) price elasticity, demand will remain on its current growth trajectory.
And of course, people buying just as much at a higher price will find the money from... well... perhaps their new manufacturing job? (Everyone else not employed by the new manufacturing just has to suck up the higher prices.)
Therefore, there are no downsides to protectionism.
chrispmartha said:
But it's not just Americans that buy Fender guitars, they are a global company, you can't wipe out a whole range of mid priced products and not affect the company in a massive way.
I think by the "rules" of Trump-envisioned protectionism, if you are manufacturing something in Mexico to sell in Mexico, that's ok.In other words, it's only the domestic market that should be forced to buy Made in the USA.
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