45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.
Discussion
Stickyfinger said:
Jasandjules said:
rscott said:
I'm more concerned by some of his potential appointments to his cabinet - an education secretary who thinks some schools may need guns to protect them against bears, for example
Um, my school did in the 1980s. And also school trips to the mountains meant teachers had a rifle at least with one carrying a shotgun just in case.. Ever had a grizzly bear outside your chalet whilst 20 kids are stuck inside? If not, then perhaps you are not in a position to judge?jsf said:
Every side moans, the left win on scale of moaning by quite some margin.
If you believe in Democracy, you should accept he is the President and work towards your goals for the next occasion you get to vote.
That's right. You shouldn't spend years pursuing the president for his birth certificate.If you believe in Democracy, you should accept he is the President and work towards your goals for the next occasion you get to vote.
968 said:
jsf said:
Every side moans, the left win on scale of moaning by quite some margin.
If you believe in Democracy, you should accept he is the President and work towards your goals for the next occasion you get to vote.
That's right. You shouldn't spend years pursuing the president for his birth certificate.If you believe in Democracy, you should accept he is the President and work towards your goals for the next occasion you get to vote.
No 'side' is exempt, sadly.
jsf said:
All that nonsense is a side show that has no impact on anything. The media love it though.
Oh that's convenient. So when Trump spends years pursuing this vendetta, it has no impact on anything, (inevitably so as the whole claim was utter b
ks) but if people complain that the electoral system conspires to elect the least popular candidate that's different?968 said:
Oh that's convenient. So when Trump spends years pursuing this vendetta, it has no impact on anything, (inevitably so as the whole claim was utter bks) but if people complain that the electoral system conspires to elect the least popular candidate that's different?
"electoral system conspires"ks) but if people complain that the electoral system conspires to elect the least popular candidate that's different?oh please.
The USA is a Republic of States.
jsf said:
968 said:
That's right. You shouldn't spend years pursuing the president for his birth certificate.
All that nonsense is a side show that has no impact on anything. Stickyfinger said:
968 said:
Oh that's convenient. So when Trump spends years pursuing this vendetta, it has no impact on anything, (inevitably so as the whole claim was utter bks) but if people complain that the electoral system conspires to elect the least popular candidate that's different?
"electoral system conspires"ks) but if people complain that the electoral system conspires to elect the least popular candidate that's different?oh please.
The USA is a Republic of States.
968 said:
Sorry did the word conspire upset you? Getting a bit snowflakey there old chap. Ok how about "the electoral system means that the least popular candidate won"....better?
Not at all....you seem to have a strange need to believe everything you say upsets me....why ?The system worked as it was designed to do.....It is a country that votes by separate states, these form The UNITED States. The US system is what it is.
If they wanted such a system changed they would of changed it. It is how it is.
Stickyfinger said:
Not at all....you seem to have a strange need to believe everything you say upsets me....why ?
Because your responses are so upset.Stickyfinger said:
The system worked as it was designed to do.....It is a country that votes by separate states, these form The UNITED States. The US system is what it is.
If they wanted such a system changed they would of changed it. It is how it is.
I didn't criticise the electoral system I stated that some people were upset about how it worked out and I'm sure if the reverse result had happened we'd see a similar level of complaint.If they wanted such a system changed they would of changed it. It is how it is.
968 said:
jsf said:
All that nonsense is a side show that has no impact on anything. The media love it though.
Oh that's convenient. So when Trump spends years pursuing this vendetta, it has no impact on anything, (inevitably so as the whole claim was utter bks) but if people complain that the electoral system conspires to elect the least popular candidate that's different?The relevant section of the constitution states the following.
"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: — "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.""
12th Amendment
"The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; — the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; — The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. — The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
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