45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[Gandahar]

500 pages since November 2016.

10 000 posts, which is almost the same as the number of days for the Indochina/Vietnam conflict since the 1950's


Not bad going!

[jmorgan]

Just wondering where Trump is complaining about Flynn being brought down by leaks, does he mean the leaks should not have happened and Flynn continues in very dodgy circumstances with Trumps blessing?

[Gandahar]

New game, who's next to go?

Conway
Spice

Tricky one this, Conway keeps putting her foot in it and has screwed the rules but Spicer got that bad rep on condemning her as being "counciled" ..

She still seems to me as being slightly Medusa like. So for me she is first to go rather than Spicer, who is not too bad at heart.

[Gandahar]

jmorgan said:

Just wondering where Trump is complaining about Flynn being brought down by leaks, does he mean the leaks should not have happened and Flynn continues in very dodgy circumstances with Trumps blessing?

This is a Hill issue, some want the reason for the leaks to be examined and some want why the leaks happened to be examined. It's all down to where their picnic basket is laid so not to upset it

[5ohmustang]

Efbe said:

is that the drugged up one?

Yes that's the one.

[E24man]

I get the feeling Trump is going throw Pence under the bus along with Flynn and then have a much more aminable VP to pop into his pack.

Edit. Spicer and Conway are dispensable items with the plausible deniability of, 'They're only spokespeople, what do they know really'.

Edited by E24man on Wednesday 15th February 23:59

[Name of user]

Volume 2 already, wow!

[Halb]

minimoog said:

Trump's holding a rally in Florida at the weekend. I guess he's not been feeling the love enough lately and needs an ego boost.

Wait, wha? A sitting president is having a rally? That seems s tad...odd...though better than destroying a pair of skyscrapers

[Gandahar]

E24man said:

I get the feeling Trump is going throw Pence under the bus along with Flynn and then have a much more aminable VP to pop into his pack.

Edit. Spicer and Conway are dispensable items with the plausible deniability of, 'They're only spokespeople, what do they know really'.

Edited by E24man on Wednesday 15th February 23:59

I agree with your Spicer and Conway but not with Pence.

Pence his link to the swamp and counters Bannon and Miller. That's also, if he is wise, will keep Reince Priebus.

To put it mathmetically

Pence + Priebus = Bannon + Miller - ( Spicer + Conway)

[davepoth]

E24man said:

I get the feeling Trump is going throw Pence under the bus along with Flynn and then have a much more aminable VP to pop into his pack.

Edit. Spicer and Conway are dispensable items with the plausible deniability of, 'They're only spokespeople, what do they know really'.

Edited by E24man on Wednesday 15th February 23:59

Binning Pence would be a bad move. The Washington establishment hates Trump enough already, and getting rid of one of the only two insiders (Priebus being the other one) in the administration is going to put their backs up.

I would think it more likely that Pence throws Trump under the bus - he must know more about this Russia business than has come out so far.

[B'stard Child]

Name of user said:

Volume 2 already, wow!

Not quite yet but soon I'm sure

[Colonial]

Halb said:

Wait, wha? A sitting president is having a rally? That seems s tad...odd...though better than destroying a pair of skyscrapers

It's to begin his 2020 re-election bid.

Getting a bit ahead of himself.

[hidetheelephants]

E24man said:

I get the feeling Trump is going throw Pence under the bus along with Flynn and then have a much more aminable VP to pop into his pack.

Edit. Spicer and Conway are dispensable items with the plausible deniability of, 'They're only spokespeople, what do they know really'.

Edited by E24man on Wednesday 15th February 23:59

Can you throw a Veep under the bus? Don't they have to resign?

[amusingduck]

Zod said:

ow do you lose spectacularly when you won the pipukar vote? I suppose it looks like that to someone who thinks that the WTC buildings were demolished in some "freefall" detonation.

She lost btw. Anyone sane accepts that, but sane people don't claim she lost in a "most spectacular fashion".

Maybe he means the context, not the outcome.

On the one hand, you have a shoe-in candidate. It's her turn, and she has every advantage going for her. The DNC is rigging things for her in the background, the media is on side, every poll puts her as the clear winner. She "doesn't even think about" her opponent any more. She even had unrep waving the flag and distributing the fridge magnets.

vs

A (mostly) orange faced, piss-flavoured-candyfloss hair sporting, reality TV star/steak salesman. A laughing stock. If there was anything that people were certain of, it was that he would never become President.

Until he did.

So, in that context, I think that's a pretty spectacular loss.

[Name of user]

B'stard Child said:

Name of user said:

Volume 2 already, wow!

Not quite yet but soon I'm sure

Yeah, is the thread limit still ~500 pages?

[jmorgan]

Gandahar said:

E24man said:

I get the feeling Trump is going throw Pence under the bus along with Flynn and then have a much more aminable VP to pop into his pack.

Edit. Spicer and Conway are dispensable items with the plausible deniability of, 'They're only spokespeople, what do they know really'.

Edited by E24man on Wednesday 15th February 23:59

I agree with your Spicer and Conway but not with Pence.

Pence his link to the swamp and counters Bannon and Miller. That's also, if he is wise, will keep Reince Priebus.

To put it mathmetically

Pence + Priebus = Bannon + Miller - ( Spicer + Conway)

In a political world. It is the same with many governments. A good government will have staff picks that are a balance, a compromise. However this appears to be hubris driving the train.

[JagLover]

Stickyfinger said:

It is rather alarming that the US "Secret Services" seem to be leaking like a sieve.
A reaction to Trump and his wish/attempts to change or self interested political pressure from the heads of those departments ?
I wonder what would happen if MI5/MI6 were doing this in the UK against the Prime Minister ?

Step back for a bit and why are so many desperate to avoid improving ties with Russia.

It is a medium sized (in population and economic terms) country in a state of demographic collapse and is of very little threat to the west. The sanctions imposed were after Russia annexed the Crimea, which was mostly populated by Russians and had been Russian until transferred to the Ukraine in 1954 by an unelected head of the USSR.

Russia is a convenient bogeyman to scare the populace with and a useful foreign agent to link any politician too, who dares challenge the status quo.

Someone once said "no matter who you elect the government gets in". You either rule in the interests of the establishment or all of the institutions they control are turned against you. Wining the popular vote may matter little if the Media, Judiciary, civil servants (including intelligence services) are all against you.

Edited by JagLover on Thursday 16th February 07:51

[Hugo a Gogo]

so they can just send tanks and unofficial soldiers (also anti-aircraft systems, as if we'd forget) into a sovereign state and that's OK by you?

How about if the Irish Republic did the same in an area that is inhabited by Irish people and used to be part of Ireland?

[babatunde]

It seems that either Flynn was a Russian asset or his boss is.

[JagLover]

Hugo a Gogo said:

so they can just send tanks and unofficial soldiers (also anti-aircraft systems, as if we'd forget) into a sovereign state and that's OK by you?

How about if the Irish Republic did the same in an area that is inhabited by Irish people and used to be part of Ireland?

Interesting you should mention NI.

That was separated off from the rest of Ireland as the majority of the population of NI didn't want to be ruled by the majority.

I believe in national self-determination and it should always be borne in mind that Ukraine and Russia only became separate nations upon the collapse of the soviet union. If you look at the Donbass or Crimea it is a far more complicated historical picture than the pretence this land had always been Ukrainian.