Incident Croydon tram

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Stedman

7,217 posts

192 months

Saturday 19th November 2016
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P5BNij said:
Yes.
Good luck, I hope your depot is doing ok.

Stedman

7,217 posts

192 months

Saturday 19th November 2016
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After seeing the tram rails today from Birkbeck to Beckenham Jnc, I would be very very surprised if low rail head adhesion wasn't a contributory factor in this tragic accident.

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

205 months

Sunday 20th November 2016
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P5BNij said:
legzr1 said:
P5BNij said:
Between shifts we have to manage our eating and sleeping patterns as best we can, which all goes towards better concentration. On the freight side we often sit around for several hours then have to do three or four hours driving which takes some getting used to. That's down to the nature of the job, having to wait around while your train is being loaded or unloaded. To aid concentration we're now told to use 'risk based commentary' which pretty much boils down to talking out loud describing the route as you're driving along. I've tried it a few times and it does work. The job I'm on later today involves driving a van forty miles to pick up my train, four hours or so driving the train to the engineering site fifty miles away (it's the 3,000 ton High Output Ballast Cleaner), three or four more hours moving the train within the work site including my personal needs break, get relieved by another driver then driving another van forty miles back to my home depot.
FLHH?
Yes.
you need out of freight (especially given the news) and work for a Passenger TOC.

KTF

9,804 posts

150 months

Sunday 20th November 2016
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Laurel Green said:
The person taking the video (in April) was so concerned that they reported it to First Group straight away.

Oh, silly me, they sat on it, then went to the sun after the Croydon incident so they could get paid, then the sun made a big story out of it then they told First Group.


legzr1

3,848 posts

139 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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Stedman said:
Good luck, I hope your depot is doing ok.
News on the grapevine is that quite a few redundant men have received letters begging them to go back - in some cases just a few short months after leaving.

Still, with all the upheaval at DBC I'm not sure there's enough TOC vacancies to take up the slack frown

P5BNij

15,875 posts

106 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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legzr1 said:
Stedman said:
Good luck, I hope your depot is doing ok.
News on the grapevine is that quite a few redundant men have received letters begging them to go back - in some cases just a few short months after leaving.

Still, with all the upheaval at DBC I'm not sure there's enough TOC vacancies to take up the slack frown
Yes indeed, since the redundancy debacle earlier in the year things have now picked up, with new contracts coming and more route learning happening. At the start of the year we were told we were going to lose three drivers, now we're two men short.

With apologies for veering off topic.



Stedman

7,217 posts

192 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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legzr1 said:
News on the grapevine is that quite a few redundant men have received letters begging them to go back - in some cases just a few short months after leaving.

Still, with all the upheaval at DBC I'm not sure there's enough TOC vacancies to take up the slack frown
I know a former FLHH dvr that has received said letter.

Rick101

6,967 posts

150 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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Laughable but far from funny for those involved.

Why is it that it is always the people that actually contribute and do something that get laid off yet folk that seem to make a career of looking busy are secure? Madness.

Challo

10,104 posts

155 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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KTF said:
Laurel Green said:
The person taking the video (in April) was so concerned that they reported it to First Group straight away.

Oh, silly me, they sat on it, then went to the sun after the Croydon incident so they could get paid, then the sun made a big story out of it then they told First Group.
Was thinking the same. No concern at the time, but now there is months later when the Sun get involved.

fido

16,796 posts

255 months

Monday 21st November 2016
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Stedman said:
After seeing the tram rails today from Birkbeck to Beckenham Jnc, I would be very very surprised if low rail head adhesion wasn't a contributory factor in this tragic accident.
Why? The tram was going 3x over the limit - can't blame this one on leaves!

Stedman

7,217 posts

192 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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fido said:
Why? The tram was going 3x over the limit - can't blame this one on leaves!
The oily residue that they leave after being mushed on the rails makes it incredibly slippery, which obviously doesn't aid retardation does it.

As i said, contributory.

pim

2,344 posts

124 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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Stop making excuses for a idiot going far to fast on a bend and causing a major accident.Maybe the job is boring or you can do it with your eyes shut.It looks like some tram drivers did.

Stedman

7,217 posts

192 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
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pim said:
Stop making excuses for a idiot going far to fast on a bend and causing a major accident.Maybe the job is boring or you can do it with your eyes shut.It looks like some tram drivers did.
Ok Hun xx

(Bellend)

ashleyman

6,977 posts

99 months

Tuesday 29th November 2016
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Biker 1 said:
I shudder to think what the traumatic injuries were. Emergency service rescue people must be hard as nails - I hope they get proper counselling after an event like this....

RIP
My FIL is a paramedic and is almost emotionally disconnected after a bad shift. He's hard as nails physically as well as mentally. An incredibly intellectual man who's qualifications out rank most in the medical community (the type with more letters after your name than it would take to spell it). I'm led to believe he's usually the highest qualified / smartest person in the room even though he's just a paramedic. Usually correcting peoples medical knowledge and diagnosing symptoms off the top of his head that are usually 98% correct. He chose to be a paramedic because of the job, didn't want to be in an office. He spends his off days doing landscape gardening for select clients and working on his house. I say this because it's important to know that he is all there, still human and still an individual.

He talks about the good times, like giving birth to babies, helping people who are having medical difficulties and the extremely fast blue light runs he gets to do. But quite often he'll have a bad call where a child dies or there's a car crash and there's nothing he can do. When this happens, he phones his wife, tells her he loves her and gets back to work. Usually spending the next day very depressed.

When he's been off shift for a while, he refers to ambulance work as 'scraping bodies off the floor' and cheerfully goes off to his station. I think it's a high stress emotional rollercoaster. I have no idea how he does it.

Catweazle

1,157 posts

142 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Second interim report available here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/second-interim-...

Dogwatch

6,226 posts

222 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Curious parallel to the Spanish rail accident where a sharp curve was also preceded by several tunnels. Not necessarily relevant of course.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Catweazle said:
Second interim report available here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/second-interim-...
As suspected earlier by the time the driver sees the solitary 20kph sign, braking will be too late
RAIB said:
The point at which the curve can be sighted and the sign becomes readable in clear conditions is therefore about 90 - 120 metres beyond the point at which a full service brake application must start in order to reduce speed from 80 km/h to 20 km/h (full service brake deceleration is around half emergency brake deceleration
Theyre also looking at the way the windows failed and allowed passengers out the train frown




Vipers

32,869 posts

228 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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saaby93 said:
Theyre also looking at the way the windows failed and allowed passengers out the train frown
Think the question is not it allowed passengers out, but the glass shattering it self caused some injuries.

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/tram-investigat...

Ian Geary

4,483 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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30 injuries reported in that article due lacerations, but the deaths were all people who had fallen out, under or half way out of a window.

But the glass composition won't be a problem in itself if the crash / de railing can be avoided.

Ian