Sad News from Aldershot Today

[Eric Mc]

http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/local-news/two-...

Looks like the accident happened just outside the army sports stadium on Queen's Avenue.

[Cupramax]

Very sad, wonder if they were running in the road in the dark or whether the driver was being a dick, or just an unfortunate accident.

[IroningMan]

Awful.

[Murph7355]

Cupramax said:

Very sad, wonder if they were running in the road in the dark or whether the driver was being a dick, or just an unfortunate accident.

I hate that word in these sort of contexts. It suggests this was unavoidable and allows people to excuse themselves and I suspect it leads to us not learning lessons and knee jerk "fixes".

Sad event.

[Eric Mc]

Cupramax said:

Very sad, wonder if they were running in the road in the dark or whether the driver was being a dick, or just an unfortunate accident.

A bit early to say. the road is absolutely dead straight - reasonably well lit - and there is even a marked cycle lane along virtually it's whole length.

Of all the roads that might be considered dangerous in the Aldershot/Farnborough area - this would not be one of them.

[316Mining]

Eric Mc said:

A bit early to say. the road is absolutely dead straight - reasonably well lit - and there is even a marked cycle lane along virtually it's whole length.

Of all the roads that might be considered dangerous in the Aldershot/Farnborough area - this would not be one of them.

My friend that lives there would disagree - it often has people speeding on it, because its straight.

Serving soldier arrested. Car looks like a Ford Focus ST - but I'm no expert.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3918670/Po...

Professionally run running club - they wouldn't have been running on the road, especially as there is a wide pavement there. Crossing I would think.

Weather was bad last night.

[Eric Mc]

316Mining said:

My friend that lives there would disagree - it often has people speeding on it, because its straight.

Serving soldier arrested. Car looks like a Ford Focus ST - but I'm no expert.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3918670/Po...

Professionally run running club - they wouldn't have been running on the road, especially as there is a wide pavement there. Crossing I would think.

Weather was bad last night.

It's not the road that is dangerous - it's people.

For most of its length it has a 30 mph speed limit on it - as well as numerous sets of traffic lights. If a dead straight road with slow speed limits and lights in place is considered "dangerous", then what would you consider to be a "Safe" road?

[316Mining]

Eric Mc said:

316Mining said:

My friend that lives there would disagree - it often has people speeding on it, because its straight.

Serving soldier arrested. Car looks like a Ford Focus ST - but I'm no expert.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3918670/Po...

Professionally run running club - they wouldn't have been running on the road, especially as there is a wide pavement there. Crossing I would think.

Weather was bad last night.

It's not the road that is dangerous - it's people.

For most of its length it has a 30 mph speed limit on it - as well as numerous sets of traffic lights. If a dead straight road with slow speed limits and lights in place is considered "dangerous", then what would you consider to be a "Safe" road?

He considers it a dangerous place because of the idiots that speed on it Eric. Clearly, no road in the entire British isles is actually in itself dangerous.

He was on this road at 7pm last night and saw a Jag doing 'in excess' of 60 on the road.

[Eric Mc]

As I said, there is nothing wrong with the road.

People break the law on all sorts of roads - well lit, dead straight ones or ones with sharp bends and poor lighting.

By road standards it is actually very good. I use it a lot - as a driver and a cyclist and, by and large. people using that road behave properly. I never feel particularly vulnerable on it.

The accident happened opposite the Army Sports Stadium so I wouldn't be surprised if these poor girls were actually crossing the road. There is a set of pedestrian lights nearby.

You can see the stadium and the lights in this picture -

[316Mining]

"Arrested for causing death by dangerous driving whilst under the influence of drink or drugs"

FFS.

[Truckosaurus]

I find the 30mph limit isn't well respected on that stretch of road, for just the reasons mentioned above - it's wide, quiet, well lit etc.

[DaveH23]

Cupramax said:

Very sad, wonder if they were running in the road in the dark or whether the driver was being a dick, or just an unfortunate accident.

The Article said:

A 24-year-old man has been arrested for five alleged offences - one count of drink-driving, two counts of death by dangerous driving and two counts of death by careless driving while unfit through drink or drugs.

[Eric Mc]

Truckosaurus said:

I find the 30mph limit isn't well respected on that stretch of road, for just the reasons mentioned above - it's wide, quiet, well lit etc.

I know - turn off all the lights, put in speed humps and have chicanes.

It isn't clear if speed was the issue here anyway. Seems more like the driver was not fully in control.

[Cupramax]

DaveH23 said:

Cupramax said:

Very sad, wonder if they were running in the road in the dark or whether the driver was being a dick, or just an unfortunate accident.

The Article said:

A 24-year-old man has been arrested for five alleged offences - one count of drink-driving, two counts of death by dangerous driving and two counts of death by careless driving while unfit through drink or drugs.

Ouch.

[LHRFlightman]

Girls both went to my daughters college, Farnborough 6th Form. As you can imagine its a pretty crappy atmosphere there today.

I hope the ****, if its proven he was drunk, gets put away for a very, very long time. What a waste of life.

[Eric Mc]

The 6th Form College is only around the corner from me. Very sad.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

As I said, there is nothing wrong with the road.

In your (inexpert) opinion.

Do you think a 1 way street is (generally) more or less safe than a 2 way?

[Eric Mc]

OpulentBob said:

Eric Mc said:

As I said, there is nothing wrong with the road.

In your (inexpert) opinion.

Do you think a 1 way street is (generally) more or less safe than a 2 way?

To be honest, I think this is not really an appropriate discussion on this thread. I think in this particular accident we will find that the condition of the road will be a very minor consideration compared to the condition of the driver.

[316Mining]

A colleague says the squaddie has been named locally and is known to him (ex army), if it is the guy he's a bit of a hot head and pisshead.

I wont divulge the name being mentioned as its unknown if this is accurate yet.

[Eric Mc]

Best not to go into any detail at this stage.