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5ohmustang

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2,755 posts

116 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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tommunster10 said:
It's a non issue? A non issue to a white bloke with leanings towards them maybe.
You think because I have mentioned White Supremacy that I don't care about a white person getting tortured by black people?! You mad bro?
I am disgusted at any story like that, the difference with you is you only care about people with white skin. I am a humanist, you are a racist. See?
You are obsessed with skin colour and feeling like you are getting a raw deal because you are white, so you are no different to the nutters in IS or the Black Panthers.





Edited by tommunster10 on Tuesday 21st March 17:42
I am a racist? Stop this sillyness.

You're a bad hombre, a bad, bad hombre.

p1stonhead

25,568 posts

168 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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tommunster10 said:
Nanook said:
tommunster10 said:
It's a non issue? A non issue to a white bloke with leanings towards them maybe.
You think because I have mentioned White Supremacy that I don't care about a white person getting tortured by black people?! You mad bro?
I am disgusted at any story like that, the difference with you is you only care about people with white skin. I am a humanist, you are a racist. See?
You are obsessed with skin colour and feeling like you are getting a raw deal because you are white, so you are no different to the nutters in IS or the Black Panthers.
Edited by tommunster10 on Tuesday 21st March 17:42
He's got Nazi leanings, only cares about white people, is a racist, who's obsessed with skin colour, and he's no different to the nutters in IS or the Black Panthers?

fk, you're insane!
50stang thinks anyone who finds school kids being shot at Sandy Hook is a 'libtard'... and i'm the insane one?
You and the other chap have deflected away from 50stang the hole he dug himself..well done...

And yes without doubt 50 stang is a racist and i reckon he is part of a Neo Nazi group of some sort..
To be fair, and I can't believe I'm saying this, you are making Mustang look way more normal than you at the moment.

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

171 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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tommunster10 said:
50stang thinks anyone who finds school kids being shot at Sandy Hook is a 'libtard'... and i'm the insane one?
You and the other chap have deflected away from 50stang the hole he dug himself..well done...

And yes without doubt 50 stang is a racist and i reckon he is part of a Neo Nazi group of some sort..
This is why i attacked you so fiercely. You cannot see that spouting all this "Oh go back to stormfront" all this alluding to people being nazis or white supremacits is why it's not only just me now having serious issue with you.

Yes, youre a colour blind humanist and you'd be surprised that you're probably no different in that regard to me or sherz or 5oh. However, you cannot see various people of your left leaning ilk are so desperate to tar us as evil because we speak the hard truths. Yes, there are white race hate groups out there but with low membership and power, like i said they're akin to the cornish freedom army etc.

What you cannot see though is that the real problems now aren't white ones, unfortunately they're concentrated in the minority community and if you had seen my post further back it isn't the asian community (far eastern) it's the middle eastern community and black community, on the one hand you have a culture that hates gays, our secularist way of life and the freedom of women. These are not just the opinion of those in nasty groups, but widespread through the populace of countries which have a big minority community in the west. On the other side you have the black community, their culture again is not mono-chrome, it infects white black and brown, but is very concentrated in them, a ghettoised dark and destructive culture of impulsiveness and violence, materialism and sloth. Yet, when someone in the black community tries to achieve they're a "coon/house /uncle tom" the crab bucket and not white people keeps them down. Go read something by Thomas Sowell or give Larry Elder a chance, he might be a bit too christian sometimes but has the hard truths.

5ohmustang

Original Poster:

2,755 posts

116 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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tommunster10 said:
50stang thinks anyone who finds school kids being shot at Sandy Hook is a 'libtard'... and i'm the insane one?
You and the other chap have deflected away from 50stang the hole he dug himself..well done...

And yes without doubt 50 stang is a racist and i reckon he is part of a Neo Nazi group of some sort..
Actually the libtards reference in the sandy hook post was in response to the liberal method of trying to take of advantage of a tradgedy to push their agenda and criminalize legal gun owners, but if it makes you feel better to think the leftist narrative on here then that's your belief.

I'm in a neo nazi group? But i'm not a racist, I couldn't care if someone is Jewish or not, while I don't care what skin color someone is. You watch way, way too much CNN.

5ohmustang

Original Poster:

2,755 posts

116 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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MrBrightSi said:
This is why i attacked you so fiercely. You cannot see that spouting all this "Oh go back to stormfront" all this alluding to people being nazis or white supremacits is why it's not only just me now having serious issue with you.

Yes, youre a colour blind humanist and you'd be surprised that you're probably no different in that regard to me or sherz or 5oh. However, you cannot see various people of your left leaning ilk are so desperate to tar us as evil because we speak the hard truths. Yes, there are white race hate groups out there but with low membership and power, like i said they're akin to the cornish freedom army etc.

What you cannot see though is that the real problems now aren't white ones, unfortunately they're concentrated in the minority community and if you had seen my post further back it isn't the asian community (far eastern) it's the middle eastern community and black community, on the one hand you have a culture that hates gays, our secularist way of life and the freedom of women. These are not just the opinion of those in nasty groups, but widespread through the populace of countries which have a big minority community in the west. On the other side you have the black community, their culture again is not mono-chrome, it infects white black and brown, but is very concentrated in them, a ghettoised dark and destructive culture of impulsiveness and violence, materialism and sloth. Yet, when someone in the black community tries to achieve they're a "coon/house /uncle tom" the crab bucket and not white people keeps them down. Go read something by Thomas Sowell or give Larry Elder a chance, he might be a bit too christian sometimes but has the hard truths.
You need to post more often, logic and common sense is not so common round here.

OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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Not commented in these threads to date as I, in retrospect naively, thought that Trump might surprise us all by not being the individual he came across as during his campaign once in power.

I've read a lot of things over the last 3 months, both pro and anti Trump. Nearly everything has turned my head to the anti side - purely because it appears that he is totally, totally out of his depth and still thinks that shouting wins any argument. Ridiculous by any measure.

One particular thing struck me today; Trump repeatedly criticised Obama for taking holidays, golfing in particular. He said:

"I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done," Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off." http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-...

"But you know what? And I love golf. But if I were in the White House I don't think I'd ever see Turnberry again. I don't think I'd ever see Doral again. I own Doral in Miami. I don't think I'd ever see many of the places that I have. I don't even think I'd see anything, I just wanna stay in the White House and work my ass off, make great deals, right? Who's gonna leave? Who is gonna leave? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claPetUPO7s


Funnily enough though, he has been away for 2 out of every 3 weekends in the last 3 months, spending those a a golf resort at a cost of £3 million per weekend to the American taxpayer.


On top of that, the Mar-a-Lago resort he heads for is owned by Donald Trump. Presumably then a substantial part of the £3 million/weekend protection/staff accommodation costs at the resort are paid for by the tax-payers back to Mr Trump as owner of the resort?

I really don't understand how this can be anything other than a conflict of interest. If he wanted a get-away he could head for Camp David which is fully equipped 24/7 for the President of the USA, and only 82 miles away to boot - surely the "cheaper" option.


It's on record that Trump bumped up the Mar-a-Lago membership fees from $100,000/year to $200,000 year when he won the electoral college vote:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-doubles-m...

Again, how can this not be a conflict of interest.


Long post and apologies for that but hoping to hear from some of the resident Trump supporters how they can justify the above.



Edited by OzzyR1 on Tuesday 21st March 21:22



Edited by OzzyR1 on Tuesday 21st March 21:24

5ohmustang

Original Poster:

2,755 posts

116 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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OzzyR1 said:
Not commented in these threads to date as I, in retrospect naively, thought that Trump might surprise us all by not being the individual he came across as during his campaign once in power.

I've read a lot of things over the last 3 months, both pro and anti Trump. Nearly everything has turned my head to the anti side - purely because it appears that he is totally, totally out of his depth and still thinks that shouting wins any argument. Ridiculous by any measure.

One particular thing struck me today; Trump repeatedly criticised Obama for taking holidays, golfing in particular. He said:

"I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done," Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off." http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-...

"But you know what? And I love golf. But if I were in the White House I don't think I'd ever see Turnberry again. I don't think I'd ever see Doral again. I own Doral in Miami. I don't think I'd ever see many of the places that I have. I don't even think I'd see anything, I just wanna stay in the White House and work my ass off, make great deals, right? Who's gonna leave? Who is gonna leave? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claPetUPO7s


Funnily enough though, he has been away for 2 out of every 3 weekends in the last 3 months, spending those a a golf resort at a cost of £3 million per weekend to the American taxpayer.


On top of that, the Mar-a-Lago resort he heads for is owned by Donald Trump. Presumably then a substantial part of the £3 million/weekend protection/staff accommodation costs at the resort are paid for by the tax-payers back to Mr Trump as owner of the resort?

I really don't understand how this can be anything other than a conflict of interest. If he wanted a get-away he could head for Camp David which is fully equipped 24/7 for the President of the USA, and only 82 miles away to boot - surely the "cheaper" option.


It's on record that Trump bumped up the Mar-a-Lago membership fees from $100,000/year to $200,000 year when he won the electoral college vote:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-doubles-m...

Again, how can this not be a conflict of interest.


Long post and apologies for that but hoping to hear from some of the resident Trump supporters how they can justify the above.



Edited by OzzyR1 on Tuesday 21st March 21:22



Edited by OzzyR1 on Tuesday 21st March 21:24
I believe he handed business operations to his son, I would have to research it to verify.

With regards to taking holidays off, do you have a source?


OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Tuesday 21st March 2017
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5ohmustang said:
OzzyR1 said:
Not commented in these threads to date as I, in retrospect naively, thought that Trump might surprise us all by not being the individual he came across as during his campaign once in power.

I've read a lot of things over the last 3 months, both pro and anti Trump. Nearly everything has turned my head to the anti side - purely because it appears that he is totally, totally out of his depth and still thinks that shouting wins any argument. Ridiculous by any measure.

One particular thing struck me today; Trump repeatedly criticised Obama for taking holidays, golfing in particular. He said:

"I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done," Trump, 69, tells ITK. "I would not be a president who took vacations. I would not be a president that takes time off." http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/245884-trump-...

"But you know what? And I love golf. But if I were in the White House I don't think I'd ever see Turnberry again. I don't think I'd ever see Doral again. I own Doral in Miami. I don't think I'd ever see many of the places that I have. I don't even think I'd see anything, I just wanna stay in the White House and work my ass off, make great deals, right? Who's gonna leave? Who is gonna leave? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claPetUPO7s


Funnily enough though, he has been away for 2 out of every 3 weekends in the last 3 months, spending those a a golf resort at a cost of £3 million per weekend to the American taxpayer.


On top of that, the Mar-a-Lago resort he heads for is owned by Donald Trump. Presumably then a substantial part of the £3 million/weekend protection/staff accommodation costs at the resort are paid for by the tax-payers back to Mr Trump as owner of the resort?

I really don't understand how this can be anything other than a conflict of interest. If he wanted a get-away he could head for Camp David which is fully equipped 24/7 for the President of the USA, and only 82 miles away to boot - surely the "cheaper" option.


It's on record that Trump bumped up the Mar-a-Lago membership fees from $100,000/year to $200,000 year when he won the electoral college vote:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-doubles-m...

Again, how can this not be a conflict of interest.


Long post and apologies for that but hoping to hear from some of the resident Trump supporters how they can justify the above.



Edited by OzzyR1 on Tuesday 21st March 21:22



Edited by OzzyR1 on Tuesday 21st March 21:24
I believe he handed business operations to his son, I would have to research it to verify.

With regards to taking holidays off, do you have a source?
"Handed business interests to his son" - I would repeat the question, how can there be no conflict of interest there?

Who do you refer to when asking about "holidays off", Obama or Trump? I mentioned both above in various quotes so your question is not clear?

5ohmustang

Original Poster:

2,755 posts

116 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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OzzyR1 said:
"Handed business interests to his son" - I would repeat the question, how can there be no conflict of interest there?

Who do you refer to when asking about "holidays off", Obama or Trump? I mentioned both above in various quotes so your question is not clear?
Because it was handed over to the son, therefore relinquishing control.

My question is where are the sources of the quotes, do you have links to these quotes being verbally spoken.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Handed control over? Right. That is what it is called.

p1stonhead

25,568 posts

168 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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5ohmustang said:
OzzyR1 said:
"Handed business interests to his son" - I would repeat the question, how can there be no conflict of interest there?

Who do you refer to when asking about "holidays off", Obama or Trump? I mentioned both above in various quotes so your question is not clear?
Because it was handed over to the son, therefore relinquishing control.
Yeah right! rofl

Here is one of the quotes about him not going golfing because he will be too busy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claPetUPO7s

Here is him saying he will be too busy for holidays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNe1VnLzwsc

Any comments on these videos and the fact that he is doing the complete opposite of what he said in both? Probably not...

OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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5ohmustang said:
OzzyR1 said:
"Handed business interests to his son" - I would repeat the question, how can there be no conflict of interest there?

Who do you refer to when asking about "holidays off", Obama or Trump? I mentioned both above in various quotes so your question is not clear?
Because it was handed over to the son, therefore relinquishing control.

My question is where are the sources of the quotes, do you have links to these quotes being verbally spoken.
One of the links in my original post was to a Youtube video of him saying those exact words!!

clonmult

10,529 posts

210 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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p1stonhead said:
5ohmustang said:
OzzyR1 said:
"Handed business interests to his son" - I would repeat the question, how can there be no conflict of interest there?

Who do you refer to when asking about "holidays off", Obama or Trump? I mentioned both above in various quotes so your question is not clear?
Because it was handed over to the son, therefore relinquishing control.
Yeah right! rofl

Here is one of the quotes about him not going golfing because he will be too busy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=claPetUPO7s

Here is him saying he will be too busy for holidays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNe1VnLzwsc

Any comments on these videos and the fact that he is doing the complete opposite of what he said in both? Probably not...
5oh cannot get it into his head that Trump is probably less trustworthy than a typical career politician, he has totally bought into the reality distortion that Trump managed to excude.

Previously only thought that Steve Jobs was capable of such, although he at least had a fairly decent product to sell. Trumps product clearly wasn't that good, but somehow the public (as in those who voted for him) still seem to be buying the continual stream of lies.

Europa1

10,923 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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5ohmustang said:
Because it was handed over to the son, therefore relinquishing control.

My question is where are the sources of the quotes, do you have links to these quotes being verbally spoken.
Do you honestly believe that that is a safeguard against conflict of interest? As opposed to the blind trusts used by previous presidents?

My other question is: when you said you were done posting, was that fake news or alternative facts? wink

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Are there strict rules set out in American law that a President MUST comply with to satisfy the "conflict of interest" problem?

Or is it just a woolly concept that is open to interpretation?

tommunster10

1,128 posts

92 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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5ohmustang said:
MrBrightSi said:
This is why i attacked you so fiercely. You cannot see that spouting all this "Oh go back to stormfront" all this alluding to people being nazis or white supremacits is why it's not only just me now having serious issue with you.

Yes, youre a colour blind humanist and you'd be surprised that you're probably no different in that regard to me or sherz or 5oh. However, you cannot see various people of your left leaning ilk are so desperate to tar us as evil because we speak the hard truths. Yes, there are white race hate groups out there but with low membership and power, like i said they're akin to the cornish freedom army etc.

What you cannot see though is that the real problems now aren't white ones, unfortunately they're concentrated in the minority community and if you had seen my post further back it isn't the asian community (far eastern) it's the middle eastern community and black community, on the one hand you have a culture that hates gays, our secularist way of life and the freedom of women. These are not just the opinion of those in nasty groups, but widespread through the populace of countries which have a big minority community in the west. On the other side you have the black community, their culture again is not mono-chrome, it infects white black and brown, but is very concentrated in them, a ghettoised dark and destructive culture of impulsiveness and violence, materialism and sloth. Yet, when someone in the black community tries to achieve they're a "coon/house /uncle tom" the crab bucket and not white people keeps them down. Go read something by Thomas Sowell or give Larry Elder a chance, he might be a bit too christian sometimes but has the hard truths.
You need to post more often, logic and common sense is not so common round here.
It's only logical to someone like you. Anyway can you tell me where you found the source you used to say there are only about 400 White Supremacists in the USA. Cheers just post up a link for me. As from what I can see the WS groups are proudly shouting about how much they are increasing memberships. I'd wager the 400 comes from just your chapter.

MrBrightSi reads like page from an alt right website, he's been radicalized and he's trying to radicalize others.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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clonmult said:
5oh cannot get it into his head that Trump is probably less trustworthy than a typical career politician, he has totally bought into the reality distortion that Trump managed to excude.
It's not that Trump is less trustworthy than mainstream politicians - though I have yet to see evidence he is any better.....what I find confusing is that several posters seem to be perfectly happy to trust him...

...they take everything that comes out of his mouth as gospel 'cos Trump said' - Mainstream media lies 'cos trump said' - anything questioning him is fake news , must be - Trump said'.

They never seem to want any evidence to back up even his most outlandish claims, just take it at (big orange) face value.....

Yet demand a legal case's worth of proof that Obama turned up to work even once.

Most peculiar.

I assume they'll say the evidence is all around them, but mostly from the ghost stories told on other news sources that are somehow deemed infinitely more reputable....for no obvious reason. Other than they agree with those ones...

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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Why do the Trump threads end up discussing the posters rather than Trump?

They are becoming a waste of time.

I couldn't give a monkey's about the people who post on the thread. Stick to the subject matter.

The Trump presidency is fascinating - in a perverse way.

Countdown

39,963 posts

197 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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OzzyR1 said:
5ohmustang said:
OzzyR1 said:
"Handed business interests to his son" - I would repeat the question, how can there be no conflict of interest there?

Who do you refer to when asking about "holidays off", Obama or Trump? I mentioned both above in various quotes so your question is not clear?
Because it was handed over to the son, therefore relinquishing control.

My question is where are the sources of the quotes, do you have links to these quotes being verbally spoken.
One of the links in my original post was to a Youtube video of him saying those exact words!!
Ok. But apart from video evidence of him saying it, and it being reported extensively in the media, and him tweeting about it, do you actually have anything to prove he said it? For example, do you have an affidavit, signed in blood, and witnessed by Elvis and Lord Lucan? because otherwise it's FAKE NEWS! SAD!

tommunster10

1,128 posts

92 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2017
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5ohmustang said:
tommunster10 said:
It's a non issue? A non issue to a white bloke with leanings towards them maybe.
You think because I have mentioned White Supremacy that I don't care about a white person getting tortured by black people?! You mad bro?
I am disgusted at any story like that, the difference with you is you only care about people with white skin. I am a humanist, you are a racist. See?
You are obsessed with skin colour and feeling like you are getting a raw deal because you are white, so you are no different to the nutters in IS or the Black Panthers.





Edited by tommunster10 on Tuesday 21st March 17:42
I am a racist? Stop this sillyness.

You're a bad hombre, a bad, bad hombre.
Well, yes.

"a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another."

It's really quite simple. You and MrBrightSi both. I've come across black people who are racist too and Asian's in the UK who are racists. As soon as you have prejudice agaisnt other race you are a racist. It's the most over blown word and frankly I think we are all a bit racist, I'm not a fan of Scottish people or the Dutch if asked as a general rule (bad experiences), but I have met some nice ones though, so I am by definition racist. I have had people blame me for the Nazi's or English people hating me around World Cup time etc, I don't call them racists but according to its definition, they are..or at least Xenophobes.
I am German and spent most of my life in England, but I am German and call myself German.

As all things in life there are light and shades even with something as serious as the word 'racist'
Why be such a snowflake about it. The word needs reclaiming IMO back from the liberal nutters.
If you see crime report and its a black person and you find yourself thinking "always is" then you are racist, but I don't think that makes you a really horrible person, it doesn't mean you want to go lynching people or burning crosses.



Edited by tommunster10 on Wednesday 22 March 10:14