Make America Great Again
Discussion
Putting aside how realistic his "policies" are.. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that for now.. I fail to see how anyone would want to vote for such an utterly ridiculous, whiny, reprehensible human being. I can't bear to look at the guy.. He's got the vocabulary of a backward seven year old, represents the exact same entitled elite rigged system he claims to want to bring down and is so insincere it's laughable.
Sure, the people have exercised their mandate for change (and I genuinely understand the grievances of those in the rust belt etc with the perceived "establishment") but it's a pretty sad indictment of American society when this muppet represents their best chance of "being great again".
To put it in his parlance and by any measure I can fathom he's just "not a nice guy, not a good guy"..
Apropos nothing, his whole campaign has reminded me of Stephen King's "The Dead Zone"
Sure, the people have exercised their mandate for change (and I genuinely understand the grievances of those in the rust belt etc with the perceived "establishment") but it's a pretty sad indictment of American society when this muppet represents their best chance of "being great again".
To put it in his parlance and by any measure I can fathom he's just "not a nice guy, not a good guy"..
Apropos nothing, his whole campaign has reminded me of Stephen King's "The Dead Zone"
Zod said:
and how would Trump finance his massive infrastructure projects and tax cuts? By mining gold?
plasticpig said:
Funnily enough cutting taxes may increase the tax take. If Trump cuts the corporate rate to 15% then this may encourage the big corporations such as Apple, Google etc to onshore their profits. It will be a smaller percentage of a much larger pie.
15% is still much larger than 0% so it's pretty unlikely. Trump is a big fan of paying 0% tax as well so he'll probably be alright with it.So when is this wall being built? And how are they going to make sure the right people are on the other side of this wall? I'm looking forward to seeing this stupidness play out.
At some point Trump and his people are going to have to stop saying what they think is wrong and have a set of strategies in place to put these things right.
Make America great again, in whatever guise they decide this to be, there is no excuse with the mandate the Republicans have to achieve this.
I'm neither pro Clinton or particularly anti Trump. Am genuinely interested in what this once great nation does next to reclaim it's status that it feels it has lost.
At some point Trump and his people are going to have to stop saying what they think is wrong and have a set of strategies in place to put these things right.
Make America great again, in whatever guise they decide this to be, there is no excuse with the mandate the Republicans have to achieve this.
I'm neither pro Clinton or particularly anti Trump. Am genuinely interested in what this once great nation does next to reclaim it's status that it feels it has lost.
Don't worry, Trump will make America great the way he made a great business. Inherit a ton of cash, then cheat lie and steal from ordinary Americans. When things go bad, simply declare bankruptcy and walk away from the debts and use charitable donations to pay off fines. Why wouldn't you want this racist, backward sex-offender in charge?
Eric Mc said:
I don't remember ANY Americans jumping up and down celebrating in 2007 shouting "Gee, aren't we just great right now".
This "feeling great" thing is totally fictitious and effectively plays on peoples' perceived memory of some previous time being better than "now".
Indeed, people tend to think that past times were better and that future times MAY be better but that right now is rubbish.
It's a very common feeling in ANY era and one very easily exploited by populist politicians.
America has had bad times in pretty much every decade over the last 100 years, they just tend to get forgotten about when the next disaster (real or imagined) appearsThis "feeling great" thing is totally fictitious and effectively plays on peoples' perceived memory of some previous time being better than "now".
Indeed, people tend to think that past times were better and that future times MAY be better but that right now is rubbish.
It's a very common feeling in ANY era and one very easily exploited by populist politicians.
Pickled said:
Eric Mc said:
I don't remember ANY Americans jumping up and down celebrating in 2007 shouting "Gee, aren't we just great right now".
This "feeling great" thing is totally fictitious and effectively plays on peoples' perceived memory of some previous time being better than "now".
Indeed, people tend to think that past times were better and that future times MAY be better but that right now is rubbish.
It's a very common feeling in ANY era and one very easily exploited by populist politicians.
America has had bad times in pretty much every decade over the last 100 years, they just tend to get forgotten about when the next disaster (real or imagined) appearsThis "feeling great" thing is totally fictitious and effectively plays on peoples' perceived memory of some previous time being better than "now".
Indeed, people tend to think that past times were better and that future times MAY be better but that right now is rubbish.
It's a very common feeling in ANY era and one very easily exploited by populist politicians.
Randy Winkman said:
This is a bit like the "Put the Great back in Great Britain" thing where some people don't realise that in 2016 the world is a different place to what is was in the 1950s. On both sides of the Altantic we've seen a massive blue collar protest vote against the way they are suffering from the effects of the global free market. Voting EU or Clinton would have been voting for more of the same so they've voted for change. Whether things will get better is anyone's guess. My guess is that it just might in the UK for the majority, but in the US, I'm not convinced at all. I think they've understandably voted for change, but I don't think it's a good change.
"Make America Great Again" is short and catchy. That's about the extent of its usefulness.The blue collar workers may have "voted" for change, but under no stretch will they ever get it.
This is simply because the change is not up to them, it's not up to Clinton, not Trump, Congress nor anyone else. Do you think the developing world will be happy to vastly reduce their populations, their incomes, their life expectancies (healthcare, sanitation etc), their education, their new found consumerist prosperity and even their space programs so that some Americans can "feel great again?"
I think not.
Life has just moved on. America, like the UK, has become unproductive in terms of both raw material extraction, and manufacturing. You might as well ask the Italians to vote to restore the Roman empire. Even the Japanese (who usurped a lot of European and US manufacturing) are finding themselves displaced by Korea etc. The new game for the US and UK will have to be how to use the 1st world education system to find a new competative advantage. Or, take a massive haircut on our own expecations about life style.
Of course, that doesn't go well on a hat.
Trump's slogan went well on a hat, but it will prove worthless once he has faces reality.
I suspect this struggle to grasp the reality will be accompanied by continued showy appearances, meaningless phrases and empty announcements. Clintbot would have done the same, but it would have been better staged managed.
And at least a war with Russia is less likely.
Ian
Eric Mc said:
Pickled said:
Eric Mc said:
I don't remember ANY Americans jumping up and down celebrating in 2007 shouting "Gee, aren't we just great right now".
This "feeling great" thing is totally fictitious and effectively plays on peoples' perceived memory of some previous time being better than "now".
Indeed, people tend to think that past times were better and that future times MAY be better but that right now is rubbish.
It's a very common feeling in ANY era and one very easily exploited by populist politicians.
America has had bad times in pretty much every decade over the last 100 years, they just tend to get forgotten about when the next disaster (real or imagined) appearsThis "feeling great" thing is totally fictitious and effectively plays on peoples' perceived memory of some previous time being better than "now".
Indeed, people tend to think that past times were better and that future times MAY be better but that right now is rubbish.
It's a very common feeling in ANY era and one very easily exploited by populist politicians.
5ohmustang said:
simo1863 said:
will you scale back on the 'prepping' now that the Trump is in charge?
Maybe downgrade into a simple stair dominator?
No I will stop. Killary was going to continue the globalists ponzi scheme. Trump won't stand for it, as a result they will attempt to engineer a global economic collapse and blame him. Maybe downgrade into a simple stair dominator?
This election showed how deep the collusion and corruption of the order. This is not over by a long shot.
Pickled said:
When they realise they can't fund any of the proposals, they'll just do what every government does - blame the previous lot for emptying the bank account.
I'm sure there will be 101 excuses as to why America won't be as great as people think in 2020 - if that is the perception in four years time.I'm sure Reagan used the same slogan in his 1980 campaign. I'll leave it to others as to whether he did make America great over his eight years. It's such a nebulous expression anyway that it can actually mean lots of different things.
To answer a few points.
Trump previously said that if elected America would be "poking it's nose less in things that shouldn't concern it" and spending more effort on its domestic problems.
Healthcare. Where do I start.
The initial affordable care act was "sold" to people as a panacea to all that is wrong with US healthcare (and that's a lot)
Tax credits were used to offset the cost of premiums to the lower paid. The problem with tax credits they typically come 15 Months after you pay the premiums.
so not much help to someone living paycheque to paycheque, they still have to pay up.
The initial penalties were too low for those not signing up. Young males found it a no brainer to pay the fine.
The insurance people who wrote the law overestimated the sign ups.
The lower sign up caused dramatic rise in premium rates.
Companies entered their employees into the affordable care market (screwing them too, although not intentional)
Havoc reigned in all health policies, health insurance companies start to withdraw policies in many States. So people who were regular employees got hit too.
Old people did not escape, medicare was increased (approx 23%) final figure kept secret 'til after election!
Existing medicare recipients are held harmless to the extent it cannot exceed the Social Security increase of 0.3%, only the new ones get really f
ked, but existing oldies get their COLA cancelled, so not even the 0.3% now (around $5)
Medicare was also plundered for the affordable care act by reducing covered items, meaning that oldies still need to buy healthcare policies.
People are/were not very happy, they managed to ps off so many categories of people and they were impervious to it. It cost them the election.
They called Trump a moron and an idiot.
Now they have been beaten by him and his limited resources. (limited when compared to the massively funded Democratic machine)
Goldman Sachs must be worried this morning
Trump previously said that if elected America would be "poking it's nose less in things that shouldn't concern it" and spending more effort on its domestic problems.
Healthcare. Where do I start.
The initial affordable care act was "sold" to people as a panacea to all that is wrong with US healthcare (and that's a lot)
Tax credits were used to offset the cost of premiums to the lower paid. The problem with tax credits they typically come 15 Months after you pay the premiums.
so not much help to someone living paycheque to paycheque, they still have to pay up.
The initial penalties were too low for those not signing up. Young males found it a no brainer to pay the fine.
The insurance people who wrote the law overestimated the sign ups.
The lower sign up caused dramatic rise in premium rates.
Companies entered their employees into the affordable care market (screwing them too, although not intentional)
Havoc reigned in all health policies, health insurance companies start to withdraw policies in many States. So people who were regular employees got hit too.
Old people did not escape, medicare was increased (approx 23%) final figure kept secret 'til after election!
Existing medicare recipients are held harmless to the extent it cannot exceed the Social Security increase of 0.3%, only the new ones get really f
ked, but existing oldies get their COLA cancelled, so not even the 0.3% now (around $5)Medicare was also plundered for the affordable care act by reducing covered items, meaning that oldies still need to buy healthcare policies.
People are/were not very happy, they managed to p
s off so many categories of people and they were impervious to it. It cost them the election.They called Trump a moron and an idiot.
Now they have been beaten by him and his limited resources. (limited when compared to the massively funded Democratic machine)
Goldman Sachs must be worried this morning
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