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tommunster10 said:
I have mulled over your "I didn't see white supremacists on the streets of London today pal". And I've come to the conclusion with this.
What I saw on news images and paper front pages etc wasn't a White Supremacist no... it was a though, a Muslim Supremacist.
He is the same as a Neo Nazi in that he wanted (and did) to cause terror and division and pain and carnage due to his messed up ideology.
It was a human who was so stuck in his own 'them v us' s
te that he did a most heinous of crimes.
The bad part of 'white supremacist' is 'supremacist', the bad part of 'neo Nazi' is 'Nazi'. White isn't bad, being White isn't bad.
So the bad part of 'Muslim Extremist' is 'extremist'... but what you and others see is the 'Muslim' part and say every single Muslim is bad.
So what I saw in London was a really vile human being doing a really horrible thing. I don't see him and think "oh Muslim's are bad" or "Ahh a Blackman..." Same way I don't see a White guy doing a Nazi salute in America as meaning all white people are like that...
You are as small minded as the terrorists you seem to be fighting against.
What is a worry is that this stain who did this in London was most likely just like you getting all angry and seeing images of white people bombing and killing in middle east and getting screwed up info from dodgy sources that all white people from the west are like this... that is what scares me, not Muslims or white people...but just humans like you.
Don't be scared, Khan of Londistan will save you, it's just to be expected living in a multicultural society. What I saw on news images and paper front pages etc wasn't a White Supremacist no... it was a though, a Muslim Supremacist.
He is the same as a Neo Nazi in that he wanted (and did) to cause terror and division and pain and carnage due to his messed up ideology.
It was a human who was so stuck in his own 'them v us' s
te that he did a most heinous of crimes. The bad part of 'white supremacist' is 'supremacist', the bad part of 'neo Nazi' is 'Nazi'. White isn't bad, being White isn't bad.
So the bad part of 'Muslim Extremist' is 'extremist'... but what you and others see is the 'Muslim' part and say every single Muslim is bad.
So what I saw in London was a really vile human being doing a really horrible thing. I don't see him and think "oh Muslim's are bad" or "Ahh a Blackman..." Same way I don't see a White guy doing a Nazi salute in America as meaning all white people are like that...
You are as small minded as the terrorists you seem to be fighting against.
What is a worry is that this stain who did this in London was most likely just like you getting all angry and seeing images of white people bombing and killing in middle east and getting screwed up info from dodgy sources that all white people from the west are like this... that is what scares me, not Muslims or white people...but just humans like you.
Edited by tommunster10 on Friday 24th March 11:02
Well you can keep it thanks.
You went away to conflate me as a terrorist because insulting my looks did you no fking good.
I am not reading dodgy info, i listen to the likes of Sam Harris, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Hitchens and more, they are far more intelligent than me (shock) and hold much the same idea, it is an ideology that is antithetical to us in the west. Theres plenty of historical reading to be done as well, ones that disprove a lot of the pedalled lies, the whole western interventionism, i for one didn't appreciate the undertaking of the iraq war, but it had to happen and to see our attempt at bringing a tyrant down as an excuse for sick minded individuals to attack us shows just what is happening.
Like i said in previous messages, ignoring your petty attacks on my looks and the constant spouting i'm equal to a terrorist, we are not too different in what we want. I used to have the Gene Roddenberry dreams of a star trek next generation future, i wanted in my life time to see Venus floated though by humans, i wanted the technological hurdles that stopped us building a space elevator beaten, but it's just not panning out like that, the West represented the best chance at this, but it's being assaulted on all sides, predominately by the Islamic world.
king good.I am not reading dodgy info, i listen to the likes of Sam Harris, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Hitchens and more, they are far more intelligent than me (shock) and hold much the same idea, it is an ideology that is antithetical to us in the west. Theres plenty of historical reading to be done as well, ones that disprove a lot of the pedalled lies, the whole western interventionism, i for one didn't appreciate the undertaking of the iraq war, but it had to happen and to see our attempt at bringing a tyrant down as an excuse for sick minded individuals to attack us shows just what is happening.
Like i said in previous messages, ignoring your petty attacks on my looks and the constant spouting i'm equal to a terrorist, we are not too different in what we want. I used to have the Gene Roddenberry dreams of a star trek next generation future, i wanted in my life time to see Venus floated though by humans, i wanted the technological hurdles that stopped us building a space elevator beaten, but it's just not panning out like that, the West represented the best chance at this, but it's being assaulted on all sides, predominately by the Islamic world.
MrBrightSi said:
You went away to conflate me as a terrorist because insulting my looks did you no fking good.
I am not reading dodgy info, i listen to the likes of Sam Harris, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Hitchens and more, they are far more intelligent than me (shock) and hold much the same idea, it is an ideology that is antithetical to us in the west. Theres plenty of historical reading to be done as well, ones that disprove a lot of the pedalled lies, the whole western interventionism, i for one didn't appreciate the undertaking of the iraq war, but it had to happen and to see our attempt at bringing a tyrant down as an excuse for sick minded individuals to attack us shows just what is happening.
Like i said in previous messages, ignoring your petty attacks on my looks and the constant spouting i'm equal to a terrorist, we are not too different in what we want. I used to have the Gene Roddenberry dreams of a star trek next generation future, i wanted in my life time to see Venus floated though by humans, i wanted the technological hurdles that stopped us building a space elevator beaten, but it's just not panning out like that, the West represented the best chance at this, but it's being assaulted on all sides, predominately by the Islamic world.
So what would your best outcome be then? king good.I am not reading dodgy info, i listen to the likes of Sam Harris, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Hitchens and more, they are far more intelligent than me (shock) and hold much the same idea, it is an ideology that is antithetical to us in the west. Theres plenty of historical reading to be done as well, ones that disprove a lot of the pedalled lies, the whole western interventionism, i for one didn't appreciate the undertaking of the iraq war, but it had to happen and to see our attempt at bringing a tyrant down as an excuse for sick minded individuals to attack us shows just what is happening.
Like i said in previous messages, ignoring your petty attacks on my looks and the constant spouting i'm equal to a terrorist, we are not too different in what we want. I used to have the Gene Roddenberry dreams of a star trek next generation future, i wanted in my life time to see Venus floated though by humans, i wanted the technological hurdles that stopped us building a space elevator beaten, but it's just not panning out like that, the West represented the best chance at this, but it's being assaulted on all sides, predominately by the Islamic world.
Rid the UK of all Muslims?
Stamp out Islam?
What if you don't get what you want by political means?
tommunster10 said:
So what would your best outcome be then?
Rid the UK of all Muslims?
Stamp out Islam?
What if you don't get what you want by political means?
I should call you a beamer with the amount of projection youre throwing out. I merely said by looking at things it seems that Islam just does not gel in the west, i said nothing about ridding the west of Islam politically or any other way. The want for me to talk about violence is entirely in your park pal.Rid the UK of all Muslims?
Stamp out Islam?
What if you don't get what you want by political means?
MrBrightSi said:
tommunster10 said:
So what would your best outcome be then?
Rid the UK of all Muslims?
Stamp out Islam?
What if you don't get what you want by political means?
I should call you a beamer with the amount of projection youre throwing out. I merely said by looking at things it seems that Islam just does not gel in the west, i said nothing about ridding the west of Islam politically or any other way. The want for me to talk about violence is entirely in your park pal.Rid the UK of all Muslims?
Stamp out Islam?
What if you don't get what you want by political means?
tommunster10 said:
5ohmustang said:
Don't be scared, Khan of Londistan will save you, it's just to be expected living in a multicultural society.
Well you can keep it thanks.
You do live in a multicultural society though, America is multicultural.Well you can keep it thanks.
Living in a big city = increased risk from terrorism.
Which should lead us to:
Living in a big city = increased risk from terrorism = increased security, either overt or covert, as well as increased preparedness for the outcome of an attack. Such as making sure hospitals have the capacity, there is a designated structure of who does what in an event of a serious attack.
So in London, we saw the outcome of that happen after an attack. Lots of people rushed in who were able to help, and the emergency services did what they could.
In the USA, and I am not entirely familiar with where you live 5oh but I recognise that Alabama is not the same as the middle of LA or NYC etc. However, the choice that has been made by the USA authorities include giving their police officers firearms, and in many cases, allowing private citizens the ability to carry around their own personal firearms.
I'd also expect that in the larger towns and cities, there's a hierarchy of people who take charge in such situations, and at what stage the various forces (local PD, EMTs/Paramedics, state police, FBI, National Guard etc etc) but in NYC or LA, there are more likely to be specially trained officers and officials who can deal with the "terrorism" aspect of the threat/outcome of the event.
That, is what Sadiq Khan was referring to in his interview in May last year. I find it hard to disagree with what he has said, but it was quickly spun out of context by those who seek to discredit him.
5ohmustang said:
Don't be scared, Khan of Londistan will save you, it's just to be expected living in a multicultural society.
Well you can keep it thanks.
Nobody in London is scared, don't believe the bullsWell you can keep it thanks.
t pedlars such as Katie Hopkins and Farrage on Fox news, London has been the subject of terrorist attacks/threats for years, it picks itself up, has a cup of tea and carries on.How about we talk about this guy for a bit;
http://nypost.com/2017/03/22/white-supremacist-say...
Or are you too scared and hunkered down in your bunker.
Well to me, hoping that we defend groups like the Ahmadiyya, who represent a decent chance at a western friendly version of Islam, you know that group that is persecuted by Sunnis the world over, so much so it drove some taxi driver to stab a shopkeeper in Scotland.
It's paying quite a lot of attention to the attitudes of people when dealing with organisations like Quilliam and how they talk to people like Maajid Nawaz as to me they are the chance of Islam reaching some form of western friendly enlightenment.
It's paying quite a lot of attention to the attitudes of people when dealing with organisations like Quilliam and how they talk to people like Maajid Nawaz as to me they are the chance of Islam reaching some form of western friendly enlightenment.
Shakermaker said:
tommunster10 said:
5ohmustang said:
Don't be scared, Khan of Londistan will save you, it's just to be expected living in a multicultural society.
Well you can keep it thanks.
You do live in a multicultural society though, America is multicultural.Well you can keep it thanks.
Living in a big city = increased risk from terrorism.
Which should lead us to:
Living in a big city = increased risk from terrorism = increased security, either overt or covert, as well as increased preparedness for the outcome of an attack. Such as making sure hospitals have the capacity, there is a designated structure of who does what in an event of a serious attack.
So in London, we saw the outcome of that happen after an attack. Lots of people rushed in who were able to help, and the emergency services did what they could.
In the USA, and I am not entirely familiar with where you live 5oh but I recognise that Alabama is not the same as the middle of LA or NYC etc. However, the choice that has been made by the USA authorities include giving their police officers firearms, and in many cases, allowing private citizens the ability to carry around their own personal firearms.
I'd also expect that in the larger towns and cities, there's a hierarchy of people who take charge in such situations, and at what stage the various forces (local PD, EMTs/Paramedics, state police, FBI, National Guard etc etc) but in NYC or LA, there are more likely to be specially trained officers and officials who can deal with the "terrorism" aspect of the threat/outcome of the event.
That, is what Sadiq Khan was referring to in his interview in May last year. I find it hard to disagree with what he has said, but it was quickly spun out of context by those who seek to discredit him.
Point is the Paramedics job is to save a life...that is humanity right there! the good side...I want to live in that world with those people...and we do, though it doesn't always seem like it, live like that in the UK...
I am proud as a German to call England home.
If ever someone gathered up enough support to actually start wiping out Muslims and non whites, you'd not be left with utopia..you'd be left with the kind of people that could do such a thing..to anyone.
As a German... I think you get my point..
MrBrightSi said:
Well to me, hoping that we defend groups like the Ahmadiyya, who represent a decent chance at a western friendly version of Islam, you know that group that is persecuted by Sunnis the world over, so much so it drove some taxi driver to stab a shopkeeper in Scotland.
It's paying quite a lot of attention to the attitudes of people when dealing with organisations like Quilliam and how they talk to people like Maajid Nawaz as to me they are the chance of Islam reaching some form of western friendly enlightenment.
OK but in reality loads of horrific things happen all the time. No one really is trying to say sIt's paying quite a lot of attention to the attitudes of people when dealing with organisations like Quilliam and how they talk to people like Maajid Nawaz as to me they are the chance of Islam reaching some form of western friendly enlightenment.
te stuff and ste people don't exist in the world, but I saw on the news that Mulsims had gone to London to talk to people to offer answers to questions and to be at one as humans.. the good outweighs the bad. To look for that isn't a bad thing. I don't think you will do yourself any favors looking at negative side of stuff all the time.
I certainly don't blame any Muslims I know for what happened in London..not a popular thing to say on PH..but hey, I stand by my view.
5ohmustang said:
Don't be scared, Khan of Londistan will save you, it's just to be expected living in a multicultural society.
Well you can keep it thanks.
True, Home sweet home...Well you can keep it thanks.
Extremist, Supremacist, Bigot, Nazi, Psychopath - These are what we should be fighting against, not 'culture'...
M.
marcosgt said:
5ohmustang said:
Don't be scared, Khan of Londistan will save you, it's just to be expected living in a multicultural society.
Well you can keep it thanks.
True, Home sweet home...Well you can keep it thanks.
Extremist, Supremacist, Bigot, Nazi, Psychopath - These are what we should be fighting against, not 'culture'...
M.
FN2TypeR said:
5ohmustang said:
Don't be scared, Khan of Londistan will save you, it's just to be expected living in a multicultural society.
Well you can keep it thanks.
This chap is fWell you can keep it thanks.
king mental, it's ace 
tommunster10 said:
OK but in reality loads of horrific things happen all the time. No one really is trying to say ste stuff and ste people don't exist in the world, but I saw on the news that Mulsims had gone to London to talk to people to offer answers to questions and to be at one as humans.. the good outweighs the bad. To look for that isn't a bad thing.
I don't think you will do yourself any favors looking at negative side of stuff all the time.
I certainly don't blame any Muslims I know for what happened in London..not a popular thing to say on PH..but hey, I stand by my view.
You see, theres a chance for you having my Virginity yet.te stuff and ste people don't exist in the world, but I saw on the news that Mulsims had gone to London to talk to people to offer answers to questions and to be at one as humans.. the good outweighs the bad. To look for that isn't a bad thing. I don't think you will do yourself any favors looking at negative side of stuff all the time.
I certainly don't blame any Muslims I know for what happened in London..not a popular thing to say on PH..but hey, I stand by my view.
It's just a spade is a spade tom, decades of communities barely interacting to me show direct correlation to what happened in Jordan when the King of Jordan had to retract the helping hand he offered the Palestinians. I did Islamic studies at 6th form, even had an English translation Koran in my younger days, i just could never get past the big glaring issues the entire ideology has.
I do not blame Muslims, but i blame Islam. Like i said, there are muslims who do represent a chance of us living hand in hand peacefully, but they are hounded by other muslims who we are afraid to have issue with. It comes when people like Maajid Nawaz, who was an extremist who came out the other end enlightened with a chance of bringing a rigid authoritarian ideal to the fold, is attacked, called a shill and government plant, the paranoia and deep seated hatred of the west is already in these communities, it eats their own.
MrBrightSi said:
You see, theres a chance for you having my Virginity yet.
It's just a spade is a spade tom, decades of communities barely interacting to me show direct correlation to what happened in Jordan when the King of Jordan had to retract the helping hand he offered the Palestinians. I did Islamic studies at 6th form, even had an English translation Koran in my younger days, i just could never get past the big glaring issues the entire ideology has.
Custard.It's just a spade is a spade tom, decades of communities barely interacting to me show direct correlation to what happened in Jordan when the King of Jordan had to retract the helping hand he offered the Palestinians. I did Islamic studies at 6th form, even had an English translation Koran in my younger days, i just could never get past the big glaring issues the entire ideology has.
Outside of muslim faith schools I can't think of any which offer Islamic Studies as a qualification at 6th form level. And unless you were thinking about being an Imam I cant imagine anybody (even muslims) wanting to do it. It's akin to doing RE at A-level.
ps I did "islamic Studies". I also went to Boys Brigade anybody remember them?). The impression i got from my relatively limited studies of Christianity and Islam were the striking similarities between both. They even have the same characters (Adam, Eve, Moses, Jesus.
Edited by Countdown on Friday 24th March 12:50
MrBrightSi said:
marcosgt said:
True, Home sweet home...
Extremist, Supremacist, Bigot, Nazi, Psychopath - These are what we should be fighting against, not 'culture'...
M.
5oh IS ++UNGOOD!Extremist, Supremacist, Bigot, Nazi, Psychopath - These are what we should be fighting against, not 'culture'...
M.
The whole cliche American insults are boring too.
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