Make America Great Again
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not the new new ones though, they a very bad. So so bad. 
unrepentant said:
Explain how the affordable care act is "champagne socialism". Explain how a bill that removed lifetime limits, which existed before and led to millions of bankruptcies, is a "debt trap that awaits serious illness". It actually removed that possibility.
The ACC has deep flaws but they are there because the GOP obstructed and blocked the bill at every stage without offering a vision of their own. Obama should have rammed it through in the first two years without compromising.
We have now seen that the GOP are so bereft of ideas that they cannot come up with a workable alternative, even when they only need to convince their own side! This was all about political dogma and screw the people who actually need help and it deserved to fail. Unfortunately they are so divided as a party that it is difficult to see any progress being made before the new congress in 2019.
The ACC has deep flaws but they are there because the GOP obstructed and blocked the bill at every stage without offering a vision of their own. Obama should have rammed it through in the first two years without compromising.
We have now seen that the GOP are so bereft of ideas that they cannot come up with a workable alternative, even when they only need to convince their own side! This was all about political dogma and screw the people who actually need help and it deserved to fail. Unfortunately they are so divided as a party that it is difficult to see any progress being made before the new congress in 2019.
Working oneself into quite a frenzy
"nothing to see here, move along, move along."
Sylvaforever said:
unrepentant said:
Sylvaforever said:
rscott said:
KrissKross said:
Champagne Socialism at it's finest!
The ACC has deep flaws but they are there because the GOP obstructed and blocked the bill at every stage without offering a vision of their own. Obama should have rammed it through in the first two years without compromising.
We have now seen that the GOP are so bereft of ideas that they cannot come up with a workable alternative, even when they only need to convince their own side! This was all about political dogma and screw the people who actually need help and it deserved to fail. Unfortunately they are so divided as a party that it is difficult to see any progress being made before the new congress in 2019.
"nothing to see here, move along, move along."
Sylviaforever, what most people haven't figured out, obamacare is not the healthcare system. It's an act. The healthcare providers make up the system. These healthcare providers have been going out of business since the inception of Obamacare. So while obamacare exists for now, it will not stop the providers from going out of business leaving people with no healthcare.
Everyday in various states, providers are shutting down, the funny part is(well it's not really funny when it's you) there will be no hospitals, doctors or nurses but you will have obamacare, in other words it is totally useless.
You can pay maybe $500 a month, and have a deductible of 2k a year, so your paying the first 2k and then obamacare kicks in. Or you can not have obamacare and be fined thousands for having his s
tty legacy.
Or just quit your job and stay unemployed and get free obamacare on the hardworking tax payers.
Obummer sneakily added a clause exempting politcians from his crappy act, so the bill would pass. Therefore I can always run for Congress to get out of it. But then again I don't smell of sulphur.
Everyday in various states, providers are shutting down, the funny part is(well it's not really funny when it's you) there will be no hospitals, doctors or nurses but you will have obamacare, in other words it is totally useless.
You can pay maybe $500 a month, and have a deductible of 2k a year, so your paying the first 2k and then obamacare kicks in. Or you can not have obamacare and be fined thousands for having his s
tty legacy. Or just quit your job and stay unemployed and get free obamacare on the hardworking tax payers.
Obummer sneakily added a clause exempting politcians from his crappy act, so the bill would pass. Therefore I can always run for Congress to get out of it. But then again I don't smell of sulphur.
5ohmustang said:
Sylviaforever, what most people haven't figured out, obamacare is not the healthcare system. It's an act. The healthcare providers make up the system. These healthcare providers have been going out of business since the inception of Obamacare. So while obamacare exists for now, it will not stop the providers from going out of business leaving people with no healthcare.
Everyday in various states, providers are shutting down, the funny part is(well it's not really funny when it's you) there will be no hospitals, doctors or nurses but you will have obamacare, in other words it is totally useless.
You can pay maybe $500 a month, and have a deductible of 2k a year, so your paying the first 2k and then obamacare kicks in. Or you can not have obamacare and be fined thousands for having his stty legacy.
Or just quit your job and stay unemployed and get free obamacare on the hardworking tax payers.
Obummer sneakily added a clause exempting politcians from his crappy act, so the bill would pass. Therefore I can always run for Congress to get out of it. But then again I don't smell of sulphur.
That's all true apart from all the words.Everyday in various states, providers are shutting down, the funny part is(well it's not really funny when it's you) there will be no hospitals, doctors or nurses but you will have obamacare, in other words it is totally useless.
You can pay maybe $500 a month, and have a deductible of 2k a year, so your paying the first 2k and then obamacare kicks in. Or you can not have obamacare and be fined thousands for having his s
tty legacy. Or just quit your job and stay unemployed and get free obamacare on the hardworking tax payers.
Obummer sneakily added a clause exempting politcians from his crappy act, so the bill would pass. Therefore I can always run for Congress to get out of it. But then again I don't smell of sulphur.
Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
unrepentant said:
That's all true apart from all the words.
Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
Let's agree to disagree.Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
5ohmustang said:
berlintaxi said:
You could quite easily point to a bakery that refused to make a cake for a gay couple as it offended their christian beliefs, extremists exists in all religions, what boils your piss religious extremists or just muslim extremists?
And? It was their right as a private business to serve whoever they want for whatever reasons they choose. No the tolerant left didn't see it that way. Edited by berlintaxi on Friday 24th March 14:36
Soon after the lesbian couple gloated on social media what they had done, real tolerant, real liberal.
So Mrbrightsi, you can see right here in this thread why Europe is in the situation it is in now. Not because of Islamic terrorism, but much worse. It is within, when these are the views of people, apologists, "tolerants", leftists and politically correct cry babies.
Europe is crumbling from the within because it's core is weak. Have a strong foundation and you will not sweat the small stuff. The EU removed sovereign powers and decision making, then replaced it with impotent euro leftists.
I will no doubt be accused by you of being a screaming liberal, apologist and politically correct responsible for all the ills of the world, conveniently ignoring the fact that it was American foreign policy and a weak US military that created ISIS, however I can guarantee you my life is a lot richer and happier by trying to get on with everybody rather than fearing the bogeyman is round every corner and stockpiling tinned beans.
Anyway you still haven't addressed your former military colleague the white supremacist murderer in New York, no doubt he was a product of all the ills in Europe?
5ohmustang said:
unrepentant said:
That's all true apart from all the words.
Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
Let's agree to disagree.Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
5ohmustang said:
unrepentant said:
That's all true apart from all the words.
Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
Let's agree to disagree.Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
p1stonhead said:
5ohmustang said:
unrepentant said:
That's all true apart from all the words.
Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
Let's agree to disagree.Anthem, one of the biggest insurers, made $368 million in Q4 2016, up from $180 million in 2015. CEO Joe Swedish urged Trump to take a "measured approach" to any changes to the ACA. The insurers are making billions.
Hospitals are paid by the insurance companies and even the "non profit" hospitals are making very tidy profits. Doctors in the US are paid very well indeed which is why qualified physicians from all over the world flock here to work.
The reality is that most of us get healthcare through our employers (who pay through the nose for it) and the medical sector in the US is booming, absorbing as it does 18% of GDP despite not offering universal healthcare (UK is 9%, socialist Sweden 12%, France 11%).
5oh, I am interested in your thoughts on the failure of the Medi bill to pass?
Do you agree with Trump that it is the democrats who undermined the bill even though republicans hold a majority in both houses?
Which election promises has Trump not reneged on?
Now I am not doing this because I want to see Trump fail, the people voted for him and the US, as one nation, should come together but I can't help feel that he is completely out of his depth and if failing in a big way.
What can he do to restore the faith?
As a 'rural' US citizen, your thoughts? (My us colleagues are all from 'blue' areas ... )
Do you agree with Trump that it is the democrats who undermined the bill even though republicans hold a majority in both houses?
Which election promises has Trump not reneged on?
Now I am not doing this because I want to see Trump fail, the people voted for him and the US, as one nation, should come together but I can't help feel that he is completely out of his depth and if failing in a big way.
What can he do to restore the faith?
As a 'rural' US citizen, your thoughts? (My us colleagues are all from 'blue' areas ... )
berlintaxi said:
Just leave this here.
http://kval.com/news/local/buddhist-monk-apparentl...
Once the pitchfork brigade are riled up - you will get these cases of mistaken identity. Remember the attack on the pediatrician's house in the UK a few years ago?http://kval.com/news/local/buddhist-monk-apparentl...
No, just always been quite a bitter passionate person. It's not an all consuming thing, like i've tried to get across in this thread I dream of the Gene Roddenberry style future of humanity being a united space faring species you know, all that geeky dreamer stuff. Just got a lot of dislike for silly st.
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