Snoopers Charter
Discussion
ukaskew said:
Any news on how they are going to exclude MPs from this (and presumably an unpublished list of other important figures)?
Technically it seems like an absolute mine-field for the ISPs tasked with storing this stuff. The average person probably accesses the internet through many, many means in a given week (so no different for an MP), all through different ISPs.
They're not excluded, so their data will be hoovered up like everyone elses. The difference is no one can access without permission from the Home Secretary/PMTechnically it seems like an absolute mine-field for the ISPs tasked with storing this stuff. The average person probably accesses the internet through many, many means in a given week (so no different for an MP), all through different ISPs.
All that jazz said:
768 said:
All that jazz said:
tankplanker said:
Browsers are the worst as most will uniquely identify you making a VPN or HTTPS pointless as the end point website knows exactly who you are.
How?All that jazz said:
Doesn't answer the question. If you don't "share" your unique ID outside of a VPN that doesn't log then how can the end point website know who you are? All they're going to see is the VPN's IP address and a random browser ID which tells them nothing.
Have a read of this: https://panopticlick.eff.org/about as it goes into a bit more detail. Your browser's unique fingerprint is nothing to do with your IP address, the VPN's IP address or any other network address. It'll follow you around using the same browser regardless of how you connect. tankplanker said:
All that jazz said:
Doesn't answer the question. If you don't "share" your unique ID outside of a VPN that doesn't log then how can the end point website know who you are? All they're going to see is the VPN's IP address and a random browser ID which tells them nothing.
Have a read of this: https://panopticlick.eff.org/about as it goes into a bit more detail. Your browser's unique fingerprint is nothing to do with your IP address, the VPN's IP address or any other network address. It'll follow you around using the same browser regardless of how you connect. Of course the worry is completely negated if you happen to use different devices to do your internet stuff. That'll fox them!
I appreciate you posting the link - I do enjoy educating myself on these kind of matters.
All that jazz said:
Interesting reading, thanks. I think that's bordering on paranoia though. I suppose you could be at some marginal risk to browser fingerprinting if you happen to use the same machine all the time and never change any settings or extensions. By their own admission in the article, it's pretty easy to circumvent by simply altering the colour depth of your screen, local time zone and jumbling up your extensions a bit as those alone would create a completely different fingerprint.
Changing it from one unique to another amongst the noise of other people not changing it may not help.Ok. In 5 years, when the ISP’s have all our internet access stuff logged, what the hell is it going to mean and do? Considering all the websites available are perfectly legal and legit, I’m completely bemused as to what the government expect to see/find/obtain. And one last thought. How many times has a terrorist or related event happened, and the perpetrators WERE ALREADY ON MI5/MI6 suspect/watch list! It seems possible terrorist and others are already on the ‘radar’, but nothing less than incompedence allows them to commit atrocities. And now they want to add on the internet activities of 60,000,000 of our citizens. MP’s, paranoid incompetent idiots.
Edited by robinessex on Saturday 3rd December 09:10
CoolHands said:
whats the point in a vpn if all most of us are doing is browsing sites like pistonheads? Nothing I (and probably 99.999% of us) do is exciting.
Privacy?Ever Googled a medical symptom? Happy for someone to discern any sexual tastes from a snapshot of your browsing history and publish it in a newspaper alongside who you work for?
I don't even particularly want there being central records of who I bank with, who my car insurance is with, who my local council is, where I get my car serviced, which restaurant I'm going to next, where I'm getting tickets to a cinema/comedy night/whatever, where my food is from, who my smart lighting/fridge/toaster is from, who my front door lock's from. If sufficiently resourced you can build up a very detailed picture.
CoolHands said:
whats the point in a vpn if all most of us are doing is browsing sites like pistonheads? Nothing I (and probably 99.999% of us) do is exciting.
You seem to be forgetting about the Govt's history in private/secure data management. As mentioned earlier in the thread by someone else, hackers will see this as the Holy Grail if they can crack it. It will happen at some point. Do you really want everything you do online and much of your personal and private information sold to some undesirables and distributed around the world for nefarious purposes? I've no doubt you'll reply with the usual "if you've nothing to hide" line but that's your prerogative. Many of us can see the bigger picture.768 said:
CoolHands said:
whats the point in a vpn if all most of us are doing is browsing sites like pistonheads? Nothing I (and probably 99.999% of us) do is exciting.
Privacy?Ever Googled a medical symptom? Happy for someone to discern any sexual tastes from a snapshot of your browsing history and publish it in a newspaper alongside who you work for?
I don't even particularly want there being central records of who I bank with, who my car insurance is with, who my local council is, where I get my car serviced, which restaurant I'm going to next, where I'm getting tickets to a cinema/comedy night/whatever, where my food is from, who my smart lighting/fridge/toaster is from, who my front door lock's from. If sufficiently resourced you can build up a very detailed picture.
All that jazz said:
CoolHands said:
whats the point in a vpn if all most of us are doing is browsing sites like pistonheads? Nothing I (and probably 99.999% of us) do is exciting.
You seem to be forgetting about the Govt's history in private/secure data management. As mentioned earlier in the thread by someone else, hackers will see this as the Holy Grail if they can crack it. It will happen at some point. Do you really want everything you do online and much of your personal and private information sold to some undesirables and distributed around the world for nefarious purposes? I've no doubt you'll reply with the usual "if you've nothing to hide" line but that's your prerogative. Many of us can see the bigger picture.768 said:
All that jazz said:
Interesting reading, thanks. I think that's bordering on paranoia though. I suppose you could be at some marginal risk to browser fingerprinting if you happen to use the same machine all the time and never change any settings or extensions. By their own admission in the article, it's pretty easy to circumvent by simply altering the colour depth of your screen, local time zone and jumbling up your extensions a bit as those alone would create a completely different fingerprint.
Changing it from one unique to another amongst the noise of other people not changing it may not help.robinessex said:
All that jazz said:
CoolHands said:
whats the point in a vpn if all most of us are doing is browsing sites like pistonheads? Nothing I (and probably 99.999% of us) do is exciting.
You seem to be forgetting about the Govt's history in private/secure data management. As mentioned earlier in the thread by someone else, hackers will see this as the Holy Grail if they can crack it. It will happen at some point. Do you really want everything you do online and much of your personal and private information sold to some undesirables and distributed around the world for nefarious purposes? I've no doubt you'll reply with the usual "if you've nothing to hide" line but that's your prerogative. Many of us can see the bigger picture.All that jazz said:
768 said:
Changing it from one unique to another amongst the noise of other people not changing it may not help.
Why wouldn't it? By doing that you've just created a fresh browser fingerprint. 768 said:
All that jazz said:
768 said:
Changing it from one unique to another amongst the noise of other people not changing it may not help.
Why wouldn't it? By doing that you've just created a fresh browser fingerprint. Sure, individual tolerances to risk vary, I'm only talking about technical feasibility not whether anyone cares enough about you to act upon it.
The way to do it is in software though; that way it's done automatically and you get everyone you hold data on, not just the top 10 most wanted.
The way to do it is in software though; that way it's done automatically and you get everyone you hold data on, not just the top 10 most wanted.
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